Spidey and Pals versus Mutants

Originally posted by Placidity
[B]The beam travels fast, but not so fast that the Goblins far in the air wouldn't have time to take evasive action. Cyclops take out all three in half a second? Don't think so.

If they're like 200 meters in the air, sure I guess. Is that how they're positioned?

Also, a one hit blast wouldn't kill the Goblins although they would be much less effective without their gliders. Closeup, they can still use bombs and bats.

Harry was instantly KO'd, to the point of having amnesia, from bouncing into a metal pipe.

As soon as the fight starts Spidey and Venom leap into the X-men group. So Cyclops will be busy, he ain't taking everyone out as you say.

Spidey and Venom aren't going to be able to ignore Logan, Colossus, Bobby, and Pyro in an attempt to focus fire Cyclops and Storm.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Placidity's argument is confusing me. I mean Cyclops could literally kill both of the Goblins AND Otto faster than either of the Goblins' hands could make it to the goblin bombs at their waste. Half a second after that Peter would be under the same attack, only difference being that his spider sense would help him out.

Originally posted by Placidity
The beam travels fast, but not so fast that the Goblins far in the air wouldn't have time to take evasive action. Cyclops take out all three in half a second? Don't think so.

Also, a one hit blast wouldn't kill the Goblins although they would be much less effective without their gliders. Closeup, they can still use bombs and bats.

As soon as the fight starts Spidey and Venom leap into the X-men group. So Cyclops will be busy, he ain't taking everyone out as you say.

Only chance Cyclops has of taking out many of these characters would be to focus his blast and continually leave it on that one person (except Ock, cause he is human durabilty, though not really). If he does a one-hit on Venom and expects to change targets quickly to take on someone else, he'll regret it soon after.

I think there should be another scenario - fight inside a warehouse. Venom/Spidey would wreck all of them. =p

You do realise that Iceman can create an Ice Shield around his teammates for creative defence/offensive advantage.
He can do it in seconds.
Plus feats show he can enter Icemode. The goblins shuricans wont harm him.
Their bombs scattered in the wind while they are blown off the gliders. thanks to Storm activating her power in 2 secs at full force.

We have to understand also regardless of OP that although the combatants aren't FULLY aware of each others powers.
The SPideyteams members have all appeared on national TV showcasing their abilities.

The Xmen are blackops. SPiderman Octo and the Goblins and Sandman all appeared on TV.

OP said neither team is aware, so that's how it is. Trying to give the lesser team the edge is lame.

Fair enough Iceman's Ice form and Ice shield for the team nullifies attacks favoring the Spider Team.

A team with no teamwork capability besides the Goblins.
And the Xmen with insane level of Teamwork forged in the Danger Room.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Fair enough Iceman's Ice form and Ice shield for the team nullifies attacks favoring the Spider Team.

A team with no teamwork capability besides the Goblins.
And the Xmen with insane level of Teamwork forged in the Danger Room.

-Ice-wall isn't stopping the bombs or missiles; it'd likely be a death trap to those behind it. Spider-man, Venom, Doc Ock and likely Sandman would also just tear through it, considering their strength levels, though bombardment would be smarter.

-Ice-form, what did it show resisting? Cos even Doc Ock (potentially the weakest of Team 1) would just crush Bobby and his ice-skin to death, considering what he can do to bank vault doors.

So no, Bobby isn't some trump card, not even close.

Team-work does favor the X-Men, but Team 1 does have three geniuses; not hard to deduce that working together against the same foe is smart; doesn't take a genius to figure that out either.

I was thinking more of Iceman and Pyro blasting the Goblins off their sleds.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I was thinking more of Iceman and Pyro blasting the Goblins off their sleds.

Seems like Wolvie has no role here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Seems like Wolvie has no role here.

Originally posted by General_Iroh
Either way the Goblins won't be on their gliders for more than thirty seconds. 😬 and as for Placidity's argument of spidey and venom jumping straight into the x-men that's about the dumbest thing they could do.

They would rape them. Probably rape them with webbing while still in the air.

@ RJ

Wolverine is too slow to land a blow on Spidey or Venom. Wolvie loses to Ock. Wolvie can't do anything to Sandman. And Wolvie cant reach the Goblins.

Originally posted by Placidity
They would rape them. Probably rape them with webbing while still in the air.

@ RJ

Wolverine is too slow to land a blow on Spidey or Venom. Wolvie loses to Ock. Wolvie can't do anything to Sandman. And Wolvie cant reach the Goblins.

Wall of ice>>>>>>Webbing.

Wolvie'll be the one to stab Gobby's guts out as he THUDS on the ground.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Wall of ice>>>>>>Webbing.

Sure. Is Iceman trapping himself and his team in an igloo or?

As Rob has already commented on, Iceman is not much of a factor.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Wolvie'll be the one to stab Gobby's guts out as he THUDS on the ground.

What?

Originally posted by Placidity
Sure. Is Iceman trapping himself and his team in an igloo or?

As Rob has already commented on, Iceman is not much of a factor.

What?

Dude, one blast of ice and Gobby is gonna fall off his glider.

You heard me. THUD.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, one blast of ice and Gobby is gonna fall off his glider.

You heard me. THUD.

What exactly is Iceman's effective blast range?

Show that his blast has sufficient concussive force.

Also show that Iceman has the accuracy required to hit a fast moving object capable of evasive manueveres (icing up a missile with a linear trajectory does not count, not to mention he failed to stop it and would've hit him had not Kitty been there).

Originally posted by Placidity
They would rape them. Probably rape them with webbing while still in the air.

@ RJ

Wolverine is too slow to land a blow on Spidey or Venom. Wolvie loses to Ock. Wolvie can't do anything to Sandman. And Wolvie cant reach the Goblins.

Iceman and Pyro were blasting stuff mid air in the Danger Room in X3.

Originally posted by General_Iroh
Yeah lets have them charge at the guy who can shoot flames out and burn them alive, their webbing is definitely going to go through a giant tunnel of fire. And maybe they'll get by them and get right into the middle of the group, that'd be good so then Colossus and Wolverine can have their way with them, after they've been frozen solid of course.

Charge right in? When did you see them ever do that in the film?

They'll use their enhanced speed, agility, dexterity and skills to move through the group.

Here watch these two well-made tributes I found and hopefully you'll show Spider-man and his rogues some more respect.

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And heres some evidence that Spider-man can get the drop on them no problem. =p

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Originally posted by the ninjak
Iceman and Pyro were blasting stuff mid air in the Danger Room in X3.

Iceman blasted at a missile and failed to stop it.

YouTube video

Look at how long he blasted at the missile, and he couldn't stop it, he slowed it down by a little so it just missed him.

If that was one of Goblin's rockets (he can't stop one let alone more), it would've detonated on impact.

And Pyro? He was never in the Danger Room.

If Storm creates a big ass tornado, what makes you think the Gobby's will be able to stay on their sleds, or even control them?