Spidey and Pals versus Mutants

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If Storm creates a big ass tornado, what makes you think the Gobby's will be able to stay on their sleds, or even control them?

I never agreed that the Goblins couldn't fire their rockets at the X-men on go, nor did I agree that their team couldn't close the gap quickly so that Storm wouldn't summon a tornado onto her own team (which is probably why she DIDN'T summon a tornado in X3 on Alcatraz Island against the opposing mutants). Your question is based on a premise I never agreed to, so its invalid.

I mean seriously look at how easily Callisto (the Superspeed had nothing to do with it) got the drop on Storm. If it was Venom she would've been ripped apart there and then.

Originally posted by Placidity
I never agreed that the Goblins couldn't fire their rockets at the X-men on go, nor did I agree that their team couldn't close the gap quickly so that Storm wouldn't summon a tornado onto her own team (which is probably why she DIDN'T summon a tornado in X3 on Alcatraz Island against the opposing mutants). Your question is based on a premise I never agreed to, so its invalid.

I mean seriously look at how easily Callisto (the Superspeed had nothing to do with it) got the drop on Storm. If it was Venom she would've been ripped apart there and then.

Big ass tornado= Gobby's thudding to the ground.

Dude, Callisto was so fast she might as well have been rapid fire porting.

Originally posted by Placidity
Charge right in? When did you see them ever do that in the film?

They'll use their enhanced speed, agility, dexterity and skills to move through the group.

Here watch these two well-made tributes I found and hopefully you'll show Spider-man and his rogues some more respect.

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And heres some evidence that Spider-man can get the drop on them no problem. =p

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Why is this even being discussed? I thought it'd been established last page that unless the Goblins start off like a football field away from everyone else in the beginning of the fight they're a non-factor just like Sandman and Octavius?

The hell? If these peeps are starting off close to each other, then the Goblins rain death on Team 2 with the exception of Colossus and Wolverine in the first 2 seconds of the fight. One pumpkin-bomb could kill a couple of the X-Men, or **** them up enough where they're out.

It's also telling how Norman had to be gimped of a weapon from the start. Team 1 > Team 2, really.

Cyclops could stare at both Goblins faster than either of them can reach for and toss a pumpkin bomb. A single side to side glance would actually wipe out nearly everyone on team 1 faster than they could react, sans Spiderman and maybe Venom.

Goblins have enhanced reaction-time and reflexes, yo.

Doc Ock's tentacles move at extremely fast speeds and they're controlled by the speed of his thoughts. No hand movements required.

Spider-man and Venom could both move and web his ass, arguably web his ass before he raised his hand to visor.

So no, Cyclops isn't a one-man army here.

Originally posted by Robtard
Goblins have enhanced reaction-time and reflexes, yo.

Not enhanced enough.

Doc Ock's tentacles move at extremely fast speeds and they're controlled by the speed of his thoughts. No hand movements required.

Cyclop's beam is not a physical object, it's a stream of energy. Ergo: metal tentacles aren't going to stop it.

Spider-man and Venom could both move and web his ass, arguably web his ass before he raised his hand to visor.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Spidey and Venom aren't going to be able to ignore Logan, Colossus, Bobby, and Pyro in an attempt to focus fire Cyclops and Storm.

Cyclops isn't tagging both of them before raining death falls on team 2.

Not stop it, I was bringing up that in a close battle between Cyclops and Doc Ock, Ock might be able to impale Cyclops before Cyclops can fire. Ock has to think, Cyclops has to raise hand to visor, which is faster?

Spider-man and Venom in a close starting battle can web the shit out of Wolverine, Colossus, Bobby, Pyro and Storm before they can say "Go team!".

A close starting battle doesn't favor team 2.

Originally posted by Robtard
Cyclops isn't tagging both of them before raining death falls on team 2.

He's tagging half their team in about a second, maybe two if he wants to really make sure they don't get up.

Not stop it, I was bringing up that in a close battle between Cyclops and Doc Ock, Ock might be able to impale Cyclops before Cyclops can fire. Ock has to think, Cyclops has to raise hand to visor, which is faster? [/B]

Spidey and Venom [And Doctor Octopus] aren't going to be able to ignore Logan, Colossus, Bobby, and Pyro in an attempt to focus fire Cyclops and Storm.

Is a close battle? Cyclops can't aim in a every direction. If he's going for the Goblins, then he's aiming up, he takes one and the other rains death.

I hit send by accident, before I finished typing. I responded to your statement.

Originally posted by Robtard
Spider-man and Venom in a close starting battle can web the shit out of Wolverine, Colossus, Bobby, Pyro and Storm before they can say "Go team!".

A close starting battle doesn't favor team 2.

They can't do it faster than Cyclops could fire at them. They'd have to dodge the initial volley and by that point they'd also have to deal with Bobby and Ice Man. In the mean time, the Goblins and Otto will already be incapacitated.

Is a close battle? Cyclops can't aim in a every direction. If he's going for the Goblins, then he's aiming up, he takes one and the other rains death.

Depends on how far up they are. To repeat myself.. again (>__>😉, the Goblins survival depends entirely on where they're located.

Do you not remember Spider-man's speed and reaction-time? The Flash fight, the fight with Ock on the train? The guy can contort himself while flying in the air as to squeeze through metal grates and web, no problem. Spider-man alone could man-handle most of team two in a close starting fight. Venom would tear open their assholes.

Close fight is death for Team 2. They need distance where Storm can start her storms, Cyclops can use his advantage of range, Colossus can toss Wolverine in some mad hope he'll do something etc.

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Team 2 likley win if they had Nightcrawler, as is, not likely.

Originally posted by Robtard
[B]Do you not remember Spider-man's speed and reaction-time? The Flash fight, the fight with Ock on the train? The guy can contort himself while flying in the air as to squeeze through metal grates and web, no problem.

Have you not noticed the correlation there? The spidersense is a completely defense-orientated ability. That's why everything you just listed, and everything he does that shows great speed, involves some form of blocking or dodging. You never see Peter attacking with that same kind of speed and agility, though. Spidersense isn't going to help him speed blitz.

He had no problem grabbing Flash's arm mid punch, while not an insanely high feat of strength, that video of his perception is telling of what he's bringing. We also do see him take out a bunch of guys with guns in SM1 with ease and he was holding back, or he would have broken them. Here he wouldn't be.

Besides, it's not Spider-man Vs Team 1. Just bringing up that in a close fight, his speed would **** shit up; Team 2 would likely kill each other trying to tag him. Cyclops got his ass handed to him by Yuriko in X2, right? She's not nearly as fast or agile as Spider-man.

Originally posted by General_Iroh
I have plenty of respect for Spider-man and his enemies, but I just don't think they can take down the x-men, not here anyway, maybe if it was in the city and spider-man and venom had more buildings and tighter spaces to fight in, but there's a lot of open space here and I think that is going to make Spidey and Venom a lot less useful.
Cyclops will be able to take down the gliders fast enough and Colssus can tank a missile if need be. Storm can absolutely annihilate sandman while Iceman and Pyro are holding off spidey, venom and Doc Ock. If by chance spidey or venom get in the middle of them Wolverine and Colossus can push them back.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Big ass tornado= Gobby's thudding to the ground.

Dude, Callisto was so fast she might as well have been rapid fire porting.

Speed had nothing to do with her getting the drop on Storm like I said.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Why is this even being discussed? I thought it'd been established last page that unless the Goblins start off like a football field away from everyone else in the beginning of the fight they're a non-factor just like Sandman and Octavius?

Actually, if you think about it, on Alcatraz Island, the distance between the X-men and the enemy mutants was much closer than a football field. More like 50 meters or less.

What are Storm's limits?

Originally posted by Robtard
He had no problem grabbing Flash's arm mid punch, while not an insanely high feat of strength, that video of his perception is telling of what he's bringing. We also do see him take out a bunch of guys with guns in SM1 with ease and he was holding back, or he would have broken them. Here he wouldn't be.

Besides, it's not Spider-man Vs Team 1. Just bringing up that in a close fight, his speed would **** shit up; Team 2 would likely kill each other trying to tag him. Cyclops got his ass handed to him by Yuriko in X2, right? She's not nearly as fast or agile as Spider-man.

Anything in between those perimeters, though, and team Spidey gets shit stomped.