Cassandra Cain Vs Midnighter

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ And you deride it like a Pauly Shore film every time.

I have less reason to be convinced by that argument when it comes from you. I think that's fair.

I have counter points for the Bullseye / Elektra argument though. Bullseye is uniquely suited to combat Elektra's skill set because he has prepared for her with fanatical zeal to the point that he can supposedly read her movement like a book, and despite that, even a half dead Elektra with out any of her abilities still railed Lester in Dark Reign. If I didn't have a counter arguement it would be a valid concern.

^ Bullseye is more prepared and more obsessed with Daredevil and it doesn't do him a lick of good. So that "uniquely suited" argument is canned every which way.

I argue with people, not positions. When you argue that Hulk's powerset on paper utterly demolishes Wolverine's on paper and who cares about the fact that for some damn reason, Wolverine gives him a decent throwdown half (or more) the time in comics, I'm supposed to believe you when you present the exact opposite arguments now?

Or, as you have argued, Wolverine's power/skill set demolishing Cap's on paper and for some damn reason, Cap giving him a knock down tussle each time?

You don't give Wolvie a chance against Hulk and you don't give Cap a real chance against Wolvie because of "what's on paper," while ignoring any feats based on, what I guess you're describing as "plot circumstances." Here we are in this thread and I'm not supposed to raise an eyebrow?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Bullseye is more prepared and more obsessed with Daredevil and it doesn't do him a lick of good. So that "uniquely suited" argument is canned every which way.

I argue with people, not positions. When you argue that Hulk's powerset on paper utterly demolishes Wolverine's on paper and who cares about the fact that for some damn reason, Wolverine gives him a decent throwdown half (or more) the time in comics, I'm supposed to believe you when you present the exact opposite arguments now?

Or, as you have argued, Wolverine's power/skill set demolishing Cap's on paper and for some damn reason, Cap giving him a knock down tussle each time?

You don't give Wolvie a chance against Hulk and you don't give Cap a real chance against Wolvie because of "what's on paper," while ignoring any feats based on, what I guess you're describing as "plot circumstances." Here we are in this thread and I'm not supposed to raise an eyebrow?

We are getting off topic again.

Bullseye has never been demonstrated spending months preparing for an single encounter with DD to the point he can fight four Daredevil replicates to a standstill, and read his movements like Batgirl.

I think Wolverine can give Hulk a hell of a fight, I just don't think he will win. It has nothing to with the fact that Hulk dominates Wolverine on paper, it's because I don't think Wolverine has demonstrated that he is capable of over loading Hulk's healing factor before Hulk overloads his. Same thing with Cap, only vice versa. I don't think either of those stance are ignoring what happens on panel, in both case I acknowledge there will be an epic fight, but that Hulk will eventually put Wolverine down, and that Wolverine will eventually put down Cap. I would argue that is very much in line with how the fights between those respective characters are represented.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
We are getting off topic again.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Bullseye has never been demonstrated spending months preparing for an single encounter with DD to the point he can fight four Daredevil replicates to a standstill, and read his movements like Batgirl.

What... did Bullseye giving Deadpool a hell of a fight despite Deadpool's powerset-on-paper come from Bullseye's intense (but off-panel) studies?

Punisher's given Wolverine a hard tussle every single time. That has everything to do with just how resourceful he is. So how well does Punisher do against Wolverine, eh?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think Wolverine can give Hulk a hell of a fight, I just don't think he will win. It has nothing to with the fact that Hulk dominates Wolverine on paper, it's because I don't think Wolverine has demonstrated that he is capable of over loading Hulk's healing factor before Hulk overloads his. Same thing with Cap, only vice versa. I don't think either of those stance are ignoring what happens on panel

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No. Wolverine can't beat the Hulk. He's done it, but that's PIS.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... this is about as on-topic as you can get. You have to be kidding. You're really arguing that Bullseye doesn't spend more time obsessing over how to beat DD than Elektra?

What... did Bullseye giving Deadpool a hell of a fight despite Deadpool's powerset-on-paper come from Bullseye's intense (but off-panel) studies?

Punisher's given Wolverine a hard tussle every single time. That has [b]everything to do with just how resourceful he is. So how well does Punisher do against Wolverine, eh? Your stances DON'T ignore what happens on panel? [/B]

I supposed you could say that Bullseye's obsession with Elektra steams directly from this obsession with Daredevil, and ipso facto they are one and the same, but the fact remains Lester has never been demonstrated as preparing to fight Matt with nearly as much fanaticism as he has with Elektra.

Unlike Elektra and DD, Deadpool is a walking pincushin, don't really see a problem with BS giving him a fight.

Without a plot device Punisher puts up a viscous fight before going down.

Wovlerine beat Hulk by dropping a bridge on him. It was PIS...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I supposed you could say that Bullseye's obsession with Elektra steams directly from this obsession with Daredevil, and ipso facto they are one and the same, but the fact remains Lester has never been demonstrated as preparing to fight Matt with nearly as much fanaticism as he has with Elektra.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Unlike Elektra and DD, Deadpool is a walking pincushin, don't really see a problem with BS giving him a fight.

Without a plot device Punisher puts up a viscous fight before going down.

Good to know. 👆

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wovlerine beat Hulk by dropping a bridge on him. It was PIS...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Suppose? Bullseye's obsession with D and Elektra are the same? BUllseye's obsession with DD is worse. DD is the one who broke Bullseye's neck. Bullseye only killed Elektra to mess with DD. I don't remember a scene off-hand where it shows Bullseye training to fight DD, but using the absence of evidence as if it were evidence of absence is utterly fallacious. You can't possibly ignore the history between Bullseye and Daredevil and act like Bullseye takes Elektra more seriously. Ah, so Deathverine toppling Hulk was either PIS OR evidence of an Apocalypse amp for it to make sense as presented. After all, we had to speculate that the battle cpu provides Cho-esque weakness spotting and superhuman burst feats for Midnighter to do the things he does despite it never being said. Guess we should speculate about Apocalypse amps despite it never being said...

Good to know. 👆

And Apollo getting overpowered by horses, wasn't?! PLEASE.

We should supposed that Bullseye takes Elektra more serious because as it stands that's what we've been shown. Maybe Bullseye does train as hard to beat DD, but it hasn't been shown, or suggested and I'm not going to speculated about it.

Hulk beat Deathverine. They fought evenly and eventually Hulk smashed Wolverine repeatedly into the ground and Apoc teleported him away. Wolverine fighting Hulk on even footing before being over whelmed is generally how all their fights are depicted, Deathverine or no.

Are you sure Apollo isn't just weaker than a horse? 😈

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
We should supposed that Bullseye takes Elektra more serious because as it stands that's what we've been shown. Maybe Bullseye does train as hard to beat DD, but it hasn't been shown, or suggested and I'm not going to speculated about it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Hulk beat Deathverine. They fought evenly and eventually Hulk smashed Wolverine repeatedly into the ground and Apoc teleported him away. Wolverine fighting Hulk on even footing before being over whelmed is generally how all their fights are depicted, Deathverine or no.

Are you sure Apollo isn't just weaker than a horse?

Are you sure you're being facetious is failing to present a diversion from the present tone of this conversation?

Deathstroke can hang with Cass (your argument). Can beat her (your argument). Midnighter's battle cpu allows him to do crazy Cho-esque stuff, because it can't have anything to do with extra strength for some reason, beyond what Deathstroke is capable of (your argument). Let's ignore it anyway because somehow it shouldn't really make a difference... somehow (your argument).

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ This would be like arguing that Elektra isn't all that tough despite her peak skills, low tp skills and metahuman feats because Bullseye always gives her a hard time.

Two-way street, srankmissingnin, two-way street.

Not mention beaten Bullseye with relative ease when in the worst condition of her life.

Sooooooo... yeah it's not really like that at all. 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
Except for the part where she's been taken down, stalemated, and/or bewildered by Bullseye a number of times notable/top tier characters in Marvel and done so quite handily.

Not mention beaten Bullseye with relative ease when in the worst condition of her life.

Sooooooo... yeah it's not really like that at all.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Unlike Elektra and DD, Deadpool is a walking pincushin, don't really see a problem with BS giving him a fight.

This thread really is going all over the place.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Fixed for relevancy to my discussion with srankmissingnin.

Originally posted by Q99
This thread really is going all over the place.

Most threads involving ODG do.

What I actually find hilarious is this:

Despite the bickering, I think every single person involved in this thread agrees on the outcome of the actual fight at hand.

Originally posted by StyleTime
What I actually find hilarious is this:

Despite the bickering, I think every single person involved in this thread agrees on the outcome of the actual fight at hand.

But I agree the most! durredhulk

Originally posted by StyleTime
What I actually find hilarious is this:

Despite the bickering, I think every single person involved in this thread agrees on the outcome of the actual fight at hand.

true...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
But I agree the most! durredhulk

Originally posted by jinzin
true...

Originally posted by jinzin
true...

Yeah and the same thing happens in Blade threads and that happens because you low ball shit all the time. Which again is what happening in this thread and the Bronze Tiger thread.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yeah and the same thing happens in Blade threads and that happens because you low ball shit all the time. Which again is what happening in this thread and the Bronze Tiger thread.

Shhh! Did you guys hear somethin? 🙄

Deadline, what DO you do when your nose isn't firmly wedged up my ass-cheeks?

Where did I low ball Midnighter in this thread?

I made my argument VERY simple...

If you can prove that MNer is above his typical 2 ton class portrayal... THEN DO SO. Me asking for proof is not a lowball.

And, there's not one person low balling Bronze Tiger in that thread with the exception of YOUR INTERPRETATION of various arguments where you were obviously too stupid to follow through on reading or grasping the ENTIRE context of points being made.

So...... when are you gonna change your name to TheDarwinAnomaly?