X-Men: First Class

Originally posted by jaden101
Saw it tonight...TBH I thought it was a bit redundant. The only saving grace is Michael Fassbender as Magneto who was the only well cast character in it. His back story and motivation is the only strong emotive thread in the film

It also completely nullifies the relationships between characters from the trilogy (obviously I'm not including origins in that lot)

The obligatory cameo from Wolverine is obviously to keep the sad fanboys happy. No need for it.

In its own right it's reasonably entertaining though...I just think that the trilogy would have been better made after this film because the relationships between Beast and Mystique as well as Mystique and Xavier would have improved the trilogy immensely.

overall...6/10.

I disagree:

Originally posted by S_D_J
Just got back from the theater

Loved it!

It far surpasses the original

Had a great laugh at

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Worlverine's

cameo and

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Rebecca Romijn/s

cameo was appreciated

what works with this movie is the characters. Charles and Erik relationship is well developed, as are most characters, though I would have prefer

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them to stay friends until the next movie

. Even Mystique gets a great story arc, even though it may not sit all that well with the first 3 movie's established continuity.

Other than Havok being Scott's brother (though that can be changed to him being his uncle or something like that), I see no other conflict with the aforementioned continuity.

and even so, this can very much be a reboot cuz it's a damn excellent movie in it's own right.

I love Matthew Vaughn's work. Excellent director. And Singer still gets credit for it as well

besides Mystique and Xavier, which doesn't screw up her arc that much, what other relationships it nullifies?

I don't see any problem with Beast

Since this is the start of another x-men trilogy they're gonna have to start a relationship up with Azazel and Mystique.

Originally posted by S_D_J
I disagree:

besides Mystique and Xavier, which doesn't screw up her arc that much, what other relationships it nullifies?

I don't see any problem with Beast

Good for you. you're entitled to disagree but it's as obvious as the nose on your face that the cameos are shoe horned in and serve no purpose at all. as far as the relationships go so far as i can recall there's no mention of any relationship between beast and mystique in any of the trilogy movies so it doesn't fit with the continuity. i May be wrong tho as I've only seen 2 and 3 once each.

As for it being a reboot. Is that necessary? How difficult can it be to just write a script that fits previous stories? we've now got 3 strands of x men movies that don't fit with each other. film goers on the whole aren't like comic readers. they don't want to follow numerous different story arcs using the same characters.

I agree that it's better than the previous x men films though but that's not a compliment given how utterly terrible they are.

Thought it was entertaining.

Originally posted by jaden101
Good for you. you're entitled to disagree but it's as obvious as the nose on your face that the cameos are shoe horned in and serve no purpose at all. as far as the relationships go so far as i can recall there's no mention of any relationship between beast and mystique in any of the trilogy movies so it doesn't fit with the continuity. i May be wrong tho as I've only seen 2 and 3 once each.

As for it being a reboot. Is that necessary? How difficult can it be to just write a script that fits previous stories? we've now got 3 strands of x men movies that don't fit with each other. film goers on the whole aren't like comic readers. they don't want to follow numerous different story arcs using the same characters.

I agree that it's better than the previous x men films though but that's not a compliment given how utterly terrible they are.

just because there's no mention of any relationship it does not generate ANY conflict with any continuity: both characters are not in the same place in the third movie nor are their motivation, story arcs, there's no conflict, no need to explain anything

It seems you're trying to hard to not like this movie you're picking on an aspect that doesn't warrant it

Cameos are just that, they're not meant to take or make the movie, just as any Stan Lee cameo. Movies that use cameos to explain or resolve plot points are just lazy written (Deus Ex Machina anyone?)

They have written a script that fits nicely with the other 3 movies, the only conflict is Xavier and Mystique, but just because of backstory, both characters don't interact with each other in the following movies, it isn't that much of a problem

And they could have easily reboot the whole thing and no problem would arise, just like the last Hulk movie (spiderman isn't finished yet), but since this franchise it's own by Fox and not Marvel (the movie rights) they chose to go this way and they've done and excellent job using new characters as well as old ones. The real first class would have been Cyclops, Storm etc, not Banshee or Havok 😐

now If you didn't like the first 2 (I don't think anyone liked the 3rd) why would you like this one 😬

So you genuinely think it‘s fine to have two characters who grow up together and have an exceptionally close relationship and have no reference to it at all later in the timeline and have a shoe horned in explanation for their apparent huge age difference.

you also argue about Wolverine‘s cameo having no relevence yet clearly in the movies set later that meeting shouldn‘t have even taken place or is it easy to explain away that Xavier merely forgot they‘ve already met.

If they were wanting to give an entirely different timeline to the whole story arc then why even have the cameo by Wolverine at all.

Perhaps you should also actually read all my posts before reacting. I stated that as a stand alone movie it is reasonably entertaining and that Michael Fassbender is very good as Magneto but the rest of the casting is way below par. So quite obviously I wasn't ‘trying hard to not like it‘. It‘s just an average movie at best and I see that because I‘m not blinded by X men fanboyism like many who will fawn over this movie are.

Originally posted by jaden101
So you genuinely think it‘s fine to have two characters who grow up together and have an exceptionally close relationship and have no reference to it at all later in the timeline and have a shoe horned in explanation for their apparent huge age difference.

you also argue about Wolverine‘s cameo having no relevence yet clearly in the movies set later that meeting shouldn‘t have even taken place or [b]is it easy to explain away that Xavier merely forgot they‘ve already met.

If they were wanting to give an entirely different timeline to the whole story arc then why even have the cameo by Wolverine at all.

Perhaps you should also actually read all my posts before reacting. I stated that as a stand alone movie it is reasonably entertaining and that Michael Fassbender is very good as Magneto but the rest of the casting is way below par. So quite obviously I wasn't ‘trying hard to not like it‘. It‘s just an average movie at best and I see that because I‘m not blinded by X men fanboyism like many who will fawn over this movie are. [/B]

No, I don't think it's fine, it's a bit annoying, but then again, they don't have all that much interaction in the first 3 movies they don't a have a relationship to nullify, so while weird, it doesn't affect continuity.

what I asked is what other relationship it nullifies and there are none.

did you expect Grammer to say: "Hi, I'm Dr. Hank McCoy, I used to make out with Mystique, now let's go back to the plot of Last Stand"?
😐

about Wolverine: you said it yourself, it can simply be he forgot about it, they don't even talk to him at all, don't look at his face, they just turn around and walk away.

they're not going with an alternate timeline at all, the cameos are just what you said, something to keep fans happy, I say it was simply funny (as many laughed at the packed screening I attended to) and just reference the connection with the previous movies, but they're not needed and can be entirely cut out of the movie and nothing will be lost

I've read your post, that's why I asked what I asked. I'm not a Marvel fan, I'm more of DC guy, I'm just saying that what you're complaining about isn't worth it, nor it affects the quality of the movie

Surely a previous relationship with someone who is now an enemy would and should be vital in what strategy you would use in dealing with that enemy. That's where the massive plot hole in the continuity comes from. It simply too glaring to merely overlook. It was the 1st thing that sprung to mind when I saw Xavier and Mystique meet as children...You can't reasonably reconcile that with what is (or in this case isn't) mentioned in the trilogy. Sure you can ignore it and take this as a stand alone film but then they shouldn't have used the cameo appearance of Wolverine played by the same actor to tie it to the trilogy which is what he does.

As for my other gripes about casting and acting. They are valid because the only interesting and relateable character is Magneto. The rest could have died and who would have cared? No one because their development was non existent and the people portraying them were frankly terrible. Including James Macavoy.

Let's just agree to disagree

I thought most the cast did an excellent job. Fassbender it's obviously the best since. It fell as this was Magneto Origins, but McAvoy does an excellent job as well, this isn't Patrick Stewart, he made the character his own. The scene when Xavier unlocks Erick's mother memory, is touching moment, very well acted (my gf almost cried there)
Bacon was good as well, though I preferred the way he acted at the beggining of the movie, speaking German, before Shaw.

I watched the film.

It took a crap all over the Marvel stories and their characters...and even their abilities. I tried to ignore that to just enjoy the film.

I give it a 7 out of 10.

Some parts were done well and it avoided that retarded cheese that seems popular in movies like this.

I also liked Magneto's motivations.

Havoc was a dewsh.

I was suprised with how well they cast Banshee. I was like..."dude, that looks like Sean Cassidy." 😆

Story was okay but felt weak. James McAvoy did not do too well as Xavier. He was too..."spunky." "But it was his younger version!!!!" Shutup. I don't care. His younger version was still very wise and, unlike the movie, not so immature and "spunky."

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Wolverine's cameo was quite awesome. I loved it.

The music was okay but not great.

Cinematography was okay but not great.

Makeup was great.

I wanted to see Magneto fly and/or put up his shield...We got some floating. lol

I did like the gun "turning and firing" stuff as that was homage to the comics.

It kept me entertained so I cannot give it less than a 7. I did not like the lack of a

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show down with the bad guy. I mean..wtf? There's supposed to be a show down!

I too liked the

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Wolverine Cameo. Few things that confused me though was that when Eric and Xavier went to see Jea, the were both looking like Patrick and Ian...and Charles could walk. Same goes for origins, Patrick played him then and could walk. There some other parts as well but I don't wanna go through it all.

I enjoyed the film a lot.

Originally posted by steverules_2
I too liked the

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Wolverine Cameo. Few things that confused me though was that when Eric and Xavier went to see Jea, the were both looking like Patrick and Ian...and Charles could walk. Same goes for origins, Patrick played him then and could walk. There some other parts as well but I don't wanna go through it all.

I enjoyed the film a lot.

They are stupid...that's what's up. Easy to explain everything if you think of it as a loose agreement between film-makers TRYING to make stuff seem similar.

I'm with Jaden101 on this, they should've did a movie like this to begin with instead of everyone making a movie and trying to tie it into continuity with plot holes to go with it.

Originally posted by Kazenji
I'm with Jaden101 on this, they should've did a movie like this to begin with instead of everyone making a movie and trying to tie it into continuity with plot holes to go with it.

I agree: I don't usually like sequels.

As for it being a reboot. Is that necessary? How difficult can it be to just write a script that fits previous stories? we've now got 3 strands of x men movies that don't fit with each other.

Maybe they're trying to be as accurate to the comics as possible.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree: I don't usually like sequels.

DAIM EET!

I meant "prequels."

Originally posted by Nephthys
Maybe they're trying to be as accurate to the comics as possible.

Yet, from my limited knowledge of the comics, they were further off the mark than any of the previous films.

Like, as someone has already mentioned...Havok is supposed to be Cyclops' brother...Yet here he is in this movie set in the 1960's but is only slightly younger than Scott is in the 1st X-Men movie.

In the comics Mystique was never childhood friends with Xavier.

The list goes on and on.

I loved it, even more that X2. I don't care if they went off course from the comics, all I care about is if they put out a good movie and I felt they did. Both the guys who played Xavier & Magneto did a wonderful job.

Only major weak point to me was January Jones as Emma Frost. Ugh, she was terrible. So wooden, so uncharismatic. I've only seen her in 2 films (Unknown & X-men: First Class) and she was terrible in both.

Best Xmen film by far I loved it. J Jones was a big let down as Emma Frost.

I think this perhaps may be the very best film Marvel has had to offer so far. The casting and portrayals of Xavier and Lensherr are spot on perfection. You really feel Magneto's story here. Mystique is really done well here.

Sure, some of the minor characters like Havok are flaws but the movie isn't about them. It's about the origin of Magneto and Xavier, them joining together, and breaking apart. The movie handles this very well IMO.

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Hell, even the Wolverine cameo was great. Note that I was one of the ones who thought he should be NOWHERE near this film as he's been WAY overexploited in this series.

Most importantly, this movie actually feels X-Men. More so then any of the previous four films. You just get that vibe. Magneto is done so perfectly, and McAvoy puts nice new playful touches on the Xavier character. The story is what takes center place here. NOT the action. This is why Transformers films will continue to fail and films like this, Watchmen, and Star Trek are full of win.

This has to be up there with Blade II, Spiderman 2, and Iron Man as the best Marvel film to date.