Runner ( no gem) vs Thor

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It is a problem. We have no idea how far Runner's durability goes, but at the same time I highly doubt it's beyond Thor's ability to hurt or knock out.

meh, maybe. what i doubt even more is that he's planning on standing there and letting thor hit him.

At the same time, how do we know Runner has the striking power to knock out Thor with a blitz? Even against Surfer, he used energy projection to knock out Surfer.

they matched straight up power, clutching hands. it seems as much physical as energy to me. and...... if mongoose can nearly ko thor with a blitz, i'm fairly confident an elder of the universe using the power primordial could do so. 😐

I think he was able to hurt the Collector with a blitz but I have no idea how durable he is in his base form. Besides, Thor was able to hurt Collector in his second form which I'm guessing is more durable? Here you go if it matters any:

hurting and pounding the crap out of someone are different things altogether.

Grandmaster level (What's his best durability feat by the way?), now whose speculating?

didn't i say that? runner has better feats than any elder except GM though.

Either way, I have no idea what others have argued but I said Thor would release an omnidirectional blast not for a knock out but for a battle field removal.

how's that gonna BFR him? what's to keep runner from going intangible to avoid it, or simply outrunning it then blitzing him for the kill? think mongoose x infinity.

Thor beat the shit out of Surfer effortlessly as well by the way and has had Mephisto on the run in his realm (The Mephisto comparisons mean little however).

yeah yeah, B&T. only thread starter says this is 'average' thor. B&T was anything but average i'm afraid.

When Surfer got mad, his emotional powers meant little.

could be he simply stopped using them against him. he seemed to WANT to embarrass ss by going h2h. and he did.

This is why I hate debating with characters with few appearances.

meh. imo, he's done enough to put him in the trans level which is above thor.

Originally posted by Galan007
I disagree a bit here. I believe that Thanos only began playing mind games with Runner after Runner completed his initial blitz. That onslaught appeared to catch Thanos completely off guard (Thanos even noted that he had no idea Runner was as fast as he was.)

Thanos also stated that Runner's speed was the only thing that kept him safe during their encounter:

(Implying that even with the gems he had, Thanos couldn't affect Runner until he stopped moving.)

Possibly... But also recall at the end of the battle, Thanos stated that the gem didn't make Runner faster -- it just allowed him to teleport across vast distances (hence why he sometimes arrived places before he knew he was going there):

(Implying that Runner was only using the gem to subconsciously teleport, not to increase his raw speed.)

👆

overall point--runner is, like, REALLY REALLY fast.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I have no clue whether Thanos was prepared for the initial blitz or not as I don't have the comic.

I do however think that the entire fight was Thanos just f*cking around. His shields alone which he used against Champion is all he would need to keep himself safe. That plus Thanos grabbing on to the chair like some scared child makes me think that he orchestrated the entire thing.

I'm aware that the Runner's speed was his only defense against Thanos. Even so, the Runner had stopped moving even right after his initial blitz, standing in front of Thanos and having a discussion.

If the requirement for Thanos winning was for the Runner to be still, the fight should have ended after the first page.

As for Thanos not owning Runner immediately after he stopped moving: remember, it is a comic book -- there was still a story to be told (particularly about the Infinity Being.)

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Also aware of that. Note that Thanos also pointed out that it was only sometimes that he mentally teleport. My conclusion is that the Runner was always amped with the Gem, but it was only sometimes that he teleported. In short, the Runner was never faster, but he manipulated space in such away that he might as well have.

To me Thanos was saying that Runner didn't always tap the gem's power, but when he did, it was for subconscious teleportation. That's the most logical interpretation based on the given dialogue, imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
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overall point--runner is, like, REALLY REALLY fast.

Especially when you consider that Thanos was able to easily perceive, and react to (as in own), a pissed off Surfer speeding towards him... Yet he was completely defenseless vs. Runner's *casual* battle speed.

Purtty impressive on Runner's end.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Never said he was. Doesn't mean its not impressive.

The Grey Gargoyle has soloed an Avengers line up made up of Ms. Marvel, Iron Man etc. It depends entirely on the line up.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Still handicapped. And Thor was, was again, going all out.

For a page in which all Thor did was overpower Surfer and pin him to the ground. Being pounded on by Bill would have a much greater influence on performance than that.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Did you not see him running around him at x2 light speed pulverizing him?

Stop making shit up. He never said he was running at twice the light of speed and he struck Thanos only maybe once.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
How about you just tell me? That so hard rage kinda?

Better book mark this or something.

Thor withstands numerous blasts from a group of swift and merciless Celestials.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestials2.jpg
Note: For some context as to how powerful the Celestials were at the time, in the same issue, a single attack from two Celestials annihilated the Uni-Mind itself. The power of all the Eternals, including that of Zuras an apparent equal of beings such as Zeus merged together.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCelestials10.jpg
Similar blasts from the Celestials were so powerful they were easily punching holes in the full powered Destroyer -this Destroyer had the combined might of Odin, all of the Asgardians and portions of energy from the Skyfather heads of all of the other pantheons combined- to the point it was eventually annihilated.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestial6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestial7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestial8.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestial9.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestial1.jpg

While enraged, breaks through Celestial Armor.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestials1.jpg
Note: A page earlier, the punches -said to be able to shatter planets- of a full powered Odin Destroyer Armor were being shrugged off by this Celestial.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestial7.jpg [/b]

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Mabye. But thats not really reaction. Thats him moving that fast. Not reacting to somethign that fast.

He doesn't have to react to him. He could easily use the tactic to do this:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsMongoose1.jpg

Originally posted by Black bolt z
What did I make up? He blitzed thanos. He blitzed collector. He beat thr crap outta surfer. I'd say its in character considering thats how he fights. His only major power is speed so why would it not be in character for him to use that.

Can you not read?

This entire time I've argued that the only way for Runner to win would be to blitz Thor to a knock out which I said never happened. You either ignored this or denied this referencing his various battles. And in just your last post, you said he blitzed in all three of his fights.

Against Thanos, he destroyed his chair and struck Thanos once. Against Surfer, he jumped Surfer and dodged two cosmic blasts (That's not a blitz).

The Collector? That's the closest his ever come to doing a blitz. However, grabbing Thor by his collar and punching him in the face would not be a smart tactic.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
What there to facepalm yet? Just make the refernce.

facepalm

Originally posted by leonidas
meh, maybe. what i doubt even more is that he's planning on standing there and letting thor hit him.

He doesn't have to stand there.

Originally posted by leonidas
they matched straight up power, clutching hands. it seems as much physical as energy to me. and...... if mongoose can nearly ko thor with a blitz, i'm fairly confident an elder of the universe using the power primordial could do so. 😐

I thought that was power vs. power and not strength.

Knock out Thor? The only time the Mongoose came close to doing so, there was outside factors such as weapons, gas, etc.

And Thor countered Mongoose's speed. He could do so against Runner.

Originally posted by leonidas
hurting and pounding the crap out of someone are different things altogether.

I'm sure if Thor grabbed an unwillingly to fight Collector by the collar and pound on his face, he'd be pretty f*cked.

Originally posted by leonidas
didn't i say that? runner has better feats than any elder except GM though.

Are you referring to the "if" part of your claim that the Runner was on the level of the Grandmaster?

Originally posted by leonidas
how's that gonna BFR him? what's to keep runner from going intangible to avoid it, or simply outrunning it then blitzing him for the kill? think mongoose x infinity.

Thor can teleport through energy and/or lightning.

baka I love how were using an apparently CBR version of Runner but using Thor's performance against Mongoose as the standard.

Hilarious.

Should I use the Runner being left in the dust by Makkari?

Thor wills Mjolnir to attack Runner at it's fastest speeds again and again (Intangibility wouldn't work against Mjolnir.) while it drains his energy. At the same time Thor would be unleashing omnidirectional energy keeping the Runner at bay.

By the way, I doubt intangibility wouldn't work against the omnidirectional teleportation wave as we have seen that Thor's lightning can hurt even those that exist outside of our dimension. Runner stepping through glass in one instance means little.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah yeah, B&T. only thread starter says this is 'average' thor. B&T was anything but average i'm afraid.

Where did the thread starter say this? Not in the opening post.

Originally posted by leonidas
could be he simply stopped using them against him. he seemed to WANT to embarrass ss by going h2h. and he did.

If that's what you think.

Originally posted by leonidas
meh. imo, he's done enough to put him in the trans level which is above thor.

I don't think Trans level is above Thor.

Originally posted by Galan007
Thanos seemed utterly defenseless as he was getting blitzed by Runner -- and considering he noted that Runner's speed was the ONLY reason he [Runner] was still safe, I'd say the aforementioned speed was too much for the good Titan to handle.

As for Thanos not owning Runner immediately after he stopped moving: remember, it is a comic book -- there was still a story to be told (particularly about the Infinity Being.)

Like I said, Thanos' shields alone would be all he would need to be safe. Thanos grabbing on to his chair like some helpless babe is completely out of character. Especially since in Thanos Quest, he was supposed to have outsmarted each of the Elder's completely.

No prize answer.

Originally posted by Galan007
I see it much differently.

To me Thanos was saying that Runner didn't always tap the gem's power, but when he did, it was for subconscious teleportation. That's the most logical interpretation based on the given dialogue, imo.

Disagreed. Thanos didn't say he used the Gem only sometimes. He said he only mentally teleported sometimes. The Gem allowed him to manipulate space. Sometimes he mentally teleported. That's how I took it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like I said, Thanos' shields alone would be all he would need to be safe. Thanos grabbing on to his chair like some helpless babe is completely out of character. Especially since in Thanos Quest, he was supposed to have outsmarted each of the Elder's completely.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Disagreed. Thanos didn't say he used the Gem only sometimes. He said he only mentally teleported sometimes. The Gem allowed him to manipulate space. Sometimes he mentally teleported. That's how I took it.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah.... that's kind of what i thought. so the whole thing is speculation. we actually have no idea at all what it would take to ko runner, yet some are saying an omniblast from thor would do it?

hmmmm.... seem to recall some piling on in other threads when it came down to believing something without evidence....

IF runner is on the same level as say grandmaster, no way in hell thor's ko'ing him with a blast. and what about his emotional control? would thor even attack him if runner didn't want him to? runner also has TP, don't forget and i'm pretty sure there is a scan that shows his ability to turn intangible or to phase or something like that. a blast isn't going to do anything if he's intangible. the guy EFFORTLESSLY overpowered ss. i've seen ss do better against mephisto in HELL than he did in that battle against the runner. factor in the fact that he was beating hell out of the collector who himself has whooped the avengers, all this tells me runner is for sure a trans-level being and above thor.

runner takes this fight.

Runner hasn't been damaged to date since his speed and agility on land and in space is so great, so his durability is anyone's Guess.

Power though, surfer admitted that his power might very well be greater than his straight up, if that is still true is another guess

grandmaster's feats easily place him in the high sky-father bracket, his time and mind powers might just make a joke of the runner

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought that was power vs. power and not strength.

greco-roman-knuckle-lock seems at least as much physical as energy based to me. we'll agree to disagree.

Knock out Thor? The only time the Mongoose came close to doing so, there was outside factors such as weapons, gas, etc.

not really. thor destroyed his machine and mongoose was talking to him and simply blitzed thor. i'd post scans, alas, no scanner and no e-version of the book.

And Thor countered Mongoose's speed. He could do so against Runner.

runner is (A) WAY WAY WAY WAY FASTER. (B) an elder of the universe who wouldn't be put out by a rainstorm, which is how thor countered. he was actually seperated from his hammer by mongoose. if he was blitzed by runner and seperated from his hammer he'd be done for. it's happened before.

I'm sure if Thor grabbed an unwillingly to fight Collector by the collar and pound on his face, he'd be pretty f*cked.

pretty sure collector wouldn't be afraid of thor under any circumstances where as he seemed pretty frightned of runner.

Are you referring to the "if" part of your claim that the Runner was on the level of the Grandmaster?

yes. but it doesn't seem too unreasonable to think he's at least close.

Thor can teleport through energy and/or lightning.

huh? not if he's getting blitzed. and what good will porting do him anyway? whereever he appeared on the battlefield runner would be on him instantly anyway.

baka I love how were using an apparently CBR version of Runner but using Thor's performance against Mongoose as the standard.

actually, we're using it because he's the only blitzing-style speedster he's really faced. so it is completely relevent. first you criticize for no evidence, then criticize the evidence when it's shown. and how exactly is that CBR again? 😕

Hilarious.

Should I use the Runner being left in the dust by Makkari?

sure, though he wasn't exactly left in the dust. regardless, BOTH are>>>>mongoose. that's the point.

Thor wills Mjolnir to attack Runner at it's fastest speeds again and again (Intangibility wouldn't work against Mjolnir.) while it drains his energy. At the same time Thor would be unleashing omnidirectional energy keeping the Runner at bay.

😂

sure. he does that. 👆

By the way, I doubt intangibility wouldn't work against the omnidirectional teleportation wave as we have seen that Thor's lightning can hurt even those that exist outside of our dimension. Runner stepping through glass in one instance means little.

so where exactly is this omni-teleporting wave thing? and of course he'd have to get it off in time.

Where did the thread starter say this? Not in the opening post.

not in the OP. he specified it a couple pages back. if you check it will be there somewhere.

If that's what you think.

can't say for sure obviously, but it seems to make some sense to me.

I don't think Trans level is above Thor.

tbh, that's pretty well all i need to know then. if you think thor is a trans-level character, there really isn't much else to talk about. 😬

Originally posted by psycho gundam
grandmaster's feats easily place him in the high sky-father bracket, his time and mind powers might just make a joke of the runner

you could be right PG. my point stands though--he's had the best feats of any elder (aside from champion's very first appearance where he pretty much f'd up everyone OUTSIDE the ring) and GM seemed to hold him in some esteem in that ss arc. i'd not be surprised to find out runner was in GM's class at some point. admittedly, i'm guessing though. it's just the vibe i get from the character. 😬

tbh, that's pretty well all i need to know then. if you think thor is a trans-level character, there really isn't much else to talk about. 😬

Rage please tell me that you're bullshyting. Cuz if you're not this one is getting filed away for future reference anytime a Nova glasses reference comes up.

Originally posted by leonidas
greco-roman-knuckle-lock seems at least as much physical as energy based to me. we'll agree to disagree.

not really. thor destroyed his machine and mongoose was talking to him and simply blitzed thor. i'd post scans, alas, no scanner and no e-version of the book.

IIRC, it was stated to be power -you could interpret that as strength but I'd disagree- and I remember there be a clash of energies.

What fight are you referring to? The only one I'm a bit iffy on is the one where Masterson died as it's been a long time since I read that one. But I'm pretty sure even in that fight at least one type of weapon was used. IIRC, he used some powerful cannon, and/or gas.

I don't have the issues on hand either unfortunately.

Originally posted by leonidas
runner is (A) WAY WAY WAY WAY FASTER. (B) an elder of the universe who wouldn't be put out by a rainstorm, which is how thor countered. he was actually seperated from his hammer by mongoose. if he was blitzed by runner and seperated from his hammer he'd be done for. it's happened before.

So? Thor's shown he can operate at speeds beyond Mongoose. The hammer spinning tactic except brought up to trans level speeds should be another efficient method.

I don't remember how that happened unfortunately.

Originally posted by leonidas
pretty sure collector wouldn't be afraid of thor under any circumstances where as he seemed pretty frightned of runner.

Depends on the interpretation of the Collector. If it was the old man prep master, I can easily picture him wetting his pants if Thor got his hands on him.

Originally posted by leonidas
yes. but it doesn't seem too unreasonable to think he's at least close.

If you say so.

Originally posted by leonidas
huh? not if he's getting blitzed. and what good will porting do him anyway? whereever he appeared on the battlefield runner would be on him instantly anyway.

😬 There isn't some complicated maneuver. All he needs to do is will it apparently. If he can do it while being dog piled by dozens of opponents -it's happened more than once- I have no doubt he could do it while Runner's punching him.

I meant Thor could battle field remove the Runner.

Originally posted by leonidas
actually, we're using it because he's the only blitzing-style speedster he's really faced. so it is completely relevent. first you criticize for no evidence, then criticize the evidence when it's shown. and how exactly is that CBR again? 😕

I guess that's fair enough. Thor hasn't faced any Flash like characters.

😬

baka

what's to keep runner from going intangible to avoid it, or simply outrunning it then blitzing him for the kill

Originally posted by leonidas
sure, though he wasn't exactly left in the dust. regardless, BOTH are>>>>mongoose. that's the point.

Makkari burned Runner. Hermes was defeating Makkari in super speed combat. Thor has tracked Hermes and once even caught him although it was by surprise.

Sufficient evidence that Thor can at least react to that level of speed.

Originally posted by leonidas
😂

sure. he does that. 👆

Glad we agree.

Originally posted by leonidas
so where exactly is this omni-teleporting wave thing? and of course he'd have to get it off in time.

Here you go:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Thorteleportdemons1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Thorteleportdemons2.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
not in the OP. he specified it a couple pages back. if you check it will be there somewhere.

Find it. I'm not going to go look for it.

Originally posted by leonidas
can't say for sure obviously, but it seems to make some sense to me.

To you.

Originally posted by leonidas
tbh, that's pretty well all i need to know then. if you think thor is a trans-level character, there really isn't much else to talk about. 😬

I've made my opinion of Thor's position clear in the past.

I think his an elite high herald who can reach Trans level at least when the time calls for it. This is based on Thor's track record.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah. Thanos had never (and hasn't since, afaik) encountered an opponent as fast as Runner. Tack that onto his statement that he had no idea Runner was as fast as he was + his statement that Runner's speed was the only think saving him, and I think it's safe to assume Thanos was simply helpless against him (in the sense that he couldn't really defend or offend... He just had to wait the blitz out.)

Disagreed completely. Shields alone would have been all Thanos would need.

Originally posted by Galan007
Thanos also said that the gem did not make Runner faster -- he only noted subconscious teleportation. Subconscious teleportation isn't what Runner was employing in that encounter.

Like I said, the Gem was consistently amping Runner. He thought his speed was being amped but he was actually manipulating space. And sometimes, he mentally teleported perhaps like Pip.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think his an elite high herald who can reach Trans level at least when the time calls for it. This is based on Thor's track record.

I know other elite high heralds such as Superman can step it up as well.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I know other elite high heralds such as Superman can step it up as well.

Like I said, I know.

Thor's done it too many times however for me to think someone on Trans level is above his ability to match or defeat.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
IIRC, it was stated to be power -you could interpret that as strength but I'd disagree- and I remember there be a clash of energies.

like i said, h2h implies strength AND power to me. saying just power doesn't quite work given the way they locked up. but, to each his own.

What fight are you referring to? The only one I'm a bit iffy on is the one where Masterson died as it's been a long time since I read that one. But I'm pretty sure even in that fight at least one type of weapon was used. IIRC, he used some powerful cannon, and/or gas.

I don't have the issues on hand either unfortunately.

thor 408--thor destroys his machine and is ready to battle but mongoose blitzes him.

So? Thor's shown he can operate at speeds beyond Mongoose. The hammer spinning tactic except brought up to trans level speeds should be another efficient method.

find that hard to believe. now YOU'RE going CBR with the 'moving it to trans speed' thing. i'm using straight proof. it's not a lowball feat in the least as it remains the only real speedster-style battle we've seen thor in.

Depends on the interpretation of the Collector. If it was the old man prep master, I can easily picture him wetting his pants if Thor got his hands on him.

true, but even the prep-man version (as he was initially in the avengers) was enormously powerful underneath.

😬 There isn't some complicated maneuver. All he needs to do is will it apparently. If he can do it while being dog piled by dozens of opponents -it's happened more than once- I have no doubt he could do it while Runner's punching him.

tp me, that feat seemed specific to the locale and seemed to only work cuz all the demons were bunched. runner wouldn't be in one area long enough for that. not only that, thor said he could send them to where they came from. i don't like extrapolating to say he could automatically use that same power to send ANYONE to hell or wherever he wants with a flash of light. 😬

I guess that's fair enough. Thor hasn't faced any Flash like characters.

exactly. so we use what we have. and the mongoose scene is it.

what's to keep runner from going intangible to avoid it, or simply outrunning it then blitzing him for the kill

that's not really cbr at all. he has shown he can phase. so it's possibe he could. much more likely he could simply dodge this blast you're talking about which seemed less omnidirectional and more location specific. the guy moves lightyears in seconds. that seems fast enough to avoid, well..... pretty much anything.

Makkari burned Runner. Hermes was defeating Makkari in super speed combat. Thor has tracked Hermes and once even caught him although it was by surprise.

when mak won, he "was speed" or some nonsense. he'd reached some unprecedented level. he was WAYYYYY faster when he won that race than when he battled hermes. not even close, really.

Sufficient evidence that Thor can at least react to that level of speed.

not really, because of the above. and we have pretty clear evidence from the mongoose battles that thor doesn't do well against the one speedster he faced. he did equally poorly trying to hit cobra back when. especially after his speed was amped by loki. evidence--not lowballed--says speedsters do well against thor.

Find it. I'm not going to go look for it.

😂

it's there. if you want to debate the proper thread, either believe me or YOU find it.

I've made my opinion of Thor's position clear in the past.

I think his an elite high herald who can reach Trans level at least when the time calls for it. This is based on Thor's track record.

i agree he is capable of reaching that level--at times. just not this time, imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
like i said, h2h implies strength AND power to me. saying just power doesn't quite work given the way they locked up. but, to each his own.

thor 408--thor destroys his machine and is ready to battle but mongoose blitzes him.

Like I said, there arms were locked but I remember a clashing of energy and claims of power. Was strength involved? Obviously. But it was mostly power.

I know the issue number. And I'm telling you that there were other factors in play. Mongoose IIRC blasted Hercules and Thor out of the air with some asteroid buster, then he dropped gas or something similar to leave Thor weakened, and dazed/disoriented. Only then did he follow up with a blitz.

That's not even taking into account the fact this was during the period Thor started suffering his seizures. IIRC, he even had one right before his battle with Mongoose.

Originally posted by leonidas
find that hard to believe. now YOU'RE going CBR with the 'moving it to trans speed' thing. i'm using straight proof. it's not a lowball feat in the least as it remains the only real speedster-style battle we've seen thor in.

Thor trumping Mongoose:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsMongoose1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsMongoose2.jpg

Thor spinning at higher end speeds:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/SpinsMjolnir2xlight.jpg

1+1=?

Originally posted by leonidas
true, but even the prep-man version (as he was initially in the avengers) was enormously powerful underneath.

He was very smart and had powerful creatures/weapons at his disposal. When it comes to personal power, I definitely did not get that vibe from him.

Originally posted by leonidas
tp me, that feat seemed specific to the locale and seemed to only work cuz all the demons were bunched. runner wouldn't be in one area long enough for that. not only that, thor said he could send them to where they came from. i don't like extrapolating to say he could automatically use that same power to send ANYONE to hell or wherever he wants with a flash of light. 😬

What do you mean specific to the locale?

If the Runner were to blitz Thor, he would be in a very close vicinity to Thor almost always. Thor not only teleported the demons surrounding him, but the demons dog piling Ghost Rider as well.

baka Now you're just attaching arbitrary limits.

We know Thor can has nigh infinite teleportation capabilities We know Thor can use lightning as a method of teleportation:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonBloodAxe4.jpg

He simply used the tactic in AOE style.

Originally posted by leonidas
exactly. so we use what we have. and the mongoose scene is it.

Thor has shown speed and illustrated impressive speed past his showings with Mongoose.

Originally posted by leonidas
that's not really cbr at all. he has shown he can phase. so it's possibe he could. much more likely he could simply dodge this blast you're talking about which seemed less omnidirectional and more location specific. the guy moves lightyears in seconds. that seems fast enough to avoid, well..... pretty much anything.

Lulz. Runner has never shown phasing in battle, Runner has never shown that he would blitz an opponent to a knock out much less to death. You're scenarios are played out as if you're controlling the Runner, and Thor's a statue.

The demons swarmed the roof. Thor teleported all the demons on the roof. Simple.

Originally posted by leonidas
when mak won, he "was speed" or some nonsense. he'd reached some unprecedented level. he was WAYYYYY faster when he won that race than when he battled hermes. not even close, really.

When Makkari won, he hit light speed and burned the Runner.

Since that's your stance, prove it. I'm not going to go comparing the two scenes. The only way I can see you having any argument is if that was the first time Makkari went light speed.

Originally posted by leonidas
not really, because of the above. and we have pretty clear evidence from the mongoose battles that thor doesn't do well against the one speedster he faced. he did equally poorly trying to hit cobra back when. especially after his speed was amped by loki. evidence--not lowballed--says speedsters do well against thor.

😬 There were specifics in his fight with Mongoose and his not the only swift opponent or being his encountered.

Heh.

By the way, every speedy opponent Thor's faced whether it's Mongoose, Quicksilver, Silver Surfer Thor has defeated.

Originally posted by leonidas
😂

it's there. if you want to debate the proper thread, either believe me or YOU find it.

You claimed that he said so. Go find it. I'm not obligated to take you on your word.

Originally posted by leonidas
i agree he is capable of reaching that level--at times. just not this time, imo.

In your opinion.