Runner ( no gem) vs Thor

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah.... that's kind of what i thought. so the whole thing is speculation. we actually have no idea at all what it would take to ko runner, yet some are saying an omniblast from thor would do it?

hmmmm.... seem to recall some piling on in other threads when it came down to believing something without evidence....

IF runner is on the same level as say grandmaster, no way in hell thor's ko'ing him with a blast. and what about his emotional control? would thor even attack him if runner didn't want him to? runner also has TP, don't forget and i'm pretty sure there is a scan that shows his ability to turn intangible or to phase or something like that. a blast isn't going to do anything if he's intangible. the guy EFFORTLESSLY overpowered ss. i've seen ss do better against mephisto in HELL than he did in that battle against the runner. factor in the fact that he was beating hell out of the collector who himself has whooped the avengers, all this tells me runner is for sure a trans-level being and above thor.

runner takes this fight.

It is a problem. We have no idea how far Runner's durability goes, but at the same time I highly doubt it's beyond Thor's ability to hurt or knock out.

At the same time, how do we know Runner has the striking power to knock out Thor with a blitz? Even against Surfer, he used energy projection to knock out Surfer. I think he was able to hurt the Collector with a blitz but I have no idea how durable he is in his base form. Besides, Thor was able to hurt Collector in his second form which I'm guessing is more durable? Here you go if it matters any:

Grandmaster level (What's his best durability feat by the way?), now whose speculating?

Either way, I have no idea what others have argued but I said Thor would release an omnidirectional blast not for a knock out but for a battle field removal.

Thor beat the shit out of Surfer effortlessly as well by the way and has had Mephisto on the run in his realm (The Mephisto comparisons mean little however).

When Surfer got mad, his emotional powers meant little.

This is why I hate debating with characters with few appearances.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
We have no idea how far Runner's durability goes, but at the same time I highly doubt it's beyond Thor's ability to hurt or knock out.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I told you the issue number. Go read it. I've referenced the feats from that issue dozens of times and more than once I've directed said feats at you (Which you promptly call PIS or some such).

You gave me no such thing. I know the issue number. I don't need a goddamn reference. I'm asking you when Runner has blitzed someone for a knockout because I can't think of any instances. Overpowering Surfer then blasting with energy isn't a blitz, and Thor is far more suited for such tactics than Norrin.

I doubt there's anything I can tell you about Thor's capabilities that I have not in the past that would be considered admissible in this fight. It's not my fault you have a short memory.

Perhaps not, but that doesn't mean Thor won't be able to get off attacks in between Runner's. Surfer and Thanos were capable of doing so.

True, Thor does monologue but when his in a fight, he usually does while attacking. But simply talking isn't Runner's problem. His nature (Which Thanos would call as idiotic) is his problem. If he were to blitz Thor then stop and gloat, it would not turn out well.

He showed he can very easily blitz against thanos and he had no problem putting surfer down. Thor isn't beating him.

So once again you don't answer. I'm asking you for reaction speed feats from thor (the fastest which I have seen as like...a nanosecond? Which isn't 2x light speed).

I'm not saying he won't. I'm saying that IMO runner could dodge just about anything thor through at him and the rare times he is hit he can take it.

I won't deny this. But the same can be said for any villian monolouging ever. Just sayin.

Originally posted by zopzop
He did better vs Odin than Thanos did! He's gone toe to toe vs Zeus and held his own, that's something EVERY Eternal in Olympia couldn't do. Hell he was doing better vs Zeus than the Prime Eternal Zuras was doing.

He cracked Exitar's armor then shattered his skull. That's more than the combined might of not one, but three High Skyfaters could do!

He's driven Galactus away and almost killed him. Hell even a blow from Mjolnir badly hurt Galactus and he said so on panel.

I could go on but you get my point.

And still context.

Originally posted by zopzop
He sure as heck could've. If Gardner could do it subconsciously while being totally unaware of what the Gem was capable of, Thanos could too even if he was panicking (since he actually knows of the Gem's true nature).

But again, Thanos was NEVER in any danger vs the Runner so it's pointless.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Fair enough. Outside of shields and omnidirectional energy projection (Has Thanos ever done this?) I don't think Thanos has anything else in his arsenal effective against the Runner. The Gems not taken into account of course.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah.... that's kind of what i thought. so the whole thing is speculation. we actually have no idea at all what it would take to ko runner, yet some are saying an omniblast from thor would do it?

hmmmm.... seem to recall some piling on in other threads when it came down to believing something without evidence....

IF runner is on the same level as say grandmaster, no way in hell thor's ko'ing him with a blast. and what about his emotional control? would thor even attack him if runner didn't want him to? runner also has TP, don't forget and i'm pretty sure there is a scan that shows his ability to turn intangible or to phase or something like that. a blast isn't going to do anything if he's intangible. the guy EFFORTLESSLY overpowered ss. i've seen ss do better against mephisto in HELL than he did in that battle against the runner. factor in the fact that he was beating hell out of the collector who himself has whooped the avengers, all this tells me runner is for sure a trans-level being and above thor.

runner takes this fight.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It is a problem. We have no idea how far Runner's durability goes, but at the same time I highly doubt it's beyond Thor's ability to hurt or knock out.

At the same time, how do we know Runner has the striking power to knock out Thor with a blitz? Even against Surfer, he used energy projection to knock out Surfer. I think he was able to hurt the Collector with a blitz but I have no idea how durable he is in his base form. Besides, Thor was able to hurt Collector in his second form which I'm guessing is more durable? Here you go if it matters any:

Grandmaster level (What's his best durability feat by the way?), now whose speculating?

Either way, I have no idea what others have argued but I said Thor would release an omnidirectional blast not for a knock out but for a battle field removal.

Thor beat the shit out of Surfer effortlessly as well by the way and has had Mephisto on the run in his realm (The Mephisto comparisons mean little however).

When Surfer got mad, his emotional powers meant little.

This is why I hate debating with characters with few appearances.

In his base form he constantly takes on avengers(sometimes without prep)

And as for thor BFRing I don't see that happening. I mean whats to stop the runner from just running back to the battlefield? Flash can do that. Unless its like a dimenstion BFR.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
What did I call PIS. I'm just asking what feat he did that made him outshow skyfathers and what was the context.

He showed he can very easily blitz against thanos and he had no problem putting surfer down. Thor isn't beating him.

So once again you don't answer. I'm asking you for reaction speed feats from thor (the fastest which I have seen as like...a nanosecond? Which isn't 2x light speed).

I'm not saying he won't. I'm saying that IMO runner could dodge just about anything thor through at him and the rare times he is hit he can take it.

I won't deny this. But the same can be said for any villian monolouging ever. Just sayin.

The feats Thor committed during that arc. And I'm telling you to go find the issue or look for my earlier posts. You have a search button.

He didn't do anything impressive against Thanos. All he did was destroy his chair (Causing no harm to him IIRC) and Thanos was never in any danger. Putting Surfer down without any problem is something Thor has accomplished.

I'm tired of presenting feats for Thor only for you to forget them in the next thread we talk about.

It's more of his nature than anything else.

You could combine posts, BBZ.

Just saying. ermmnone

Originally posted by Galan007
You could combine posts, BBZ.

Just saying. ermmnone

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The feats Thor committed during that arc. And I'm telling you to go find the issue or look for my earlier posts. You have a search button.

He didn't do anything impressive against Thanos. All he did was destroy his chair (Causing no harm to him IIRC) and Thanos was never in any danger. Putting Surfer down without any problem is something Thor has accomplished.

I'm tired of presenting feats for Thor only for you to forget them in the next thread we talk about.

It's more of his nature than anything else.

When has thor put down surfer without trouble? You talking blood and thunder? Once again context. With surfer being handicapped part of the fight and thor going all out. And he had a legitimite blitz against thanos.

OK so once again your not giving me scans or even a refernce. Is it that hard rage? To just say he did this against this character in this comic? i'd believe you as you always seem to know your stuff. You just need to type it.

Well he has had like 2-3 fights and has only stopped to monolouge once. So if you want t consider that "in character" ermmnone

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I don't doubt its beyond it either. But it is beyond it to like one shot him or something.

In his base form he constantly takes on avengers(sometimes without prep)

And as for thor BFRing I don't see that happening. I mean whats to stop the runner from just running back to the battlefield? Flash can do that. Unless its like a dimenstion BFR.

I don't think Thor would one shot him.

When has the Collector ever taken on the Avengers without prep, or bullshit and tricks? I think he had a decent showing in the East/West Coast crossover but that's the only time I recall him ever doing anything physical. Every other fight I've seen, it's been him using machines and inventions. I remember back in #51, a Robot that Goliath one shotted had the Collector screaming in pain in it's grip. Frankly, his Avenger showings made it seem that physically speaking, he was pretty weak which is why he relied on his intelligence.

Dimensional battle field removal.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
\What earlier posts? In this thread. And i'd get it except all the comic shops within an hour of me don't have very old comics.

When has thor put down surfer without trouble? You talking blood and thunder? Once again context. With surfer being handicapped part of the fight and thor going all out. And he had a legitimite blitz against thanos.

OK so once again your not giving me scans or even a refernce. Is it that hard rage? To just say he did this against this character in this comic? i'd believe you as you always seem to know your stuff. You just need to type it.

Well he has had like 2-3 fights and has only stopped to monolouge once. So if you want t consider that "in character" ermmnone

No, not in this thread.

What context? How was Surfer handicapped? He stated he was going all out, and even had help from Warlock but he still got his ass beat easily.

What blitz? Do you not understand that he did no harm to Thanos, and hit Thanos maybe once?

Like I said, go look for Thor speed feats. I always post feats for Thor but I'm tired of doing so because a week later, the person I debate with forgets absolutely everything for some reason.

Thor doing so is just as likely if not more so than Runner blitzing for a knock out which he has never done as far as I know.

baka I'm not arguing his going to stop to monologue every time they fight or anything. I'm arguing that his nature is going to be his undoing. My point is that his either going to approach his fight with Thor as he did against Surfer or Thanos, and each of those approaches would prove to be a bad strategy against Thor. Stopping to monologue or engaging Thor in hand to hand would not be wise.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What blitz? Do you not understand that he did no harm to Thanos, and hit Thanos maybe once?

He was playing.

Originally posted by Galan007
In all fairness, I don't think Runner was trying to harm Thanos. Otherwise he would have directed his blitz toward Thanos himself, rather than just his vessel.

He was playing.

Point. He was trying to scare Thanos but he was also trying to defeat him I believe (Pointed out by Thanos I think). Either way, it's no skin off my back.

I still think Thanos was playing him the entire time.

Edit: Re-reading the fight, I think the Runner was being amped by the Space Gem in that fight.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos2.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos3.jpg

Runner himself believes that he was amped. He stated that it was only sometimes that he arrived at destinations before he started running. So that means he was not only using the Gem when he mentally teleported to a destination, no?

At least that's how I interpret it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't think Thor would one shot him.

When has the Collector ever taken on the Avengers without prep, or bullshit and tricks? I think he had a decent showing in the East/West Coast crossover but that's the only time I recall him ever doing anything physical. Every other fight I've seen, it's been him using machines and inventions. I remember back in #51, a Robot that Goliath one shotted had the Collector screaming in pain in it's grip. Frankly, his Avenger showings made it seem that physically speaking, he was pretty weak which is why he relied on his intelligence.

Dimensional battle field removal.

Yeah its only been once or twice without prep but he has done it.

Thats what i thought.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Point. He was trying to scare Thanos but he was also trying to defeat him I believe (Pointed out by Thanos I think). Either way, it's no skin off my back.

I still think Thanos was playing him the entire time.

Edit: Re-reading the fight, I think the Runner was being amped by the Space Gem in that fight.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos2.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos3.jpg

Runner himself believes that he was amped. He stated that it was only sometimes that he arrived at destinations before he started running. So that means he was not only using the Gem when he mentally teleported to a destination, no?

At least that's how I interpret it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, not in this thread.

What context? How was Surfer handicapped? He stated he was going all out, and even had help from Warlock but he still got his ass beat easily.

What blitz? Do you not understand that he did no harm to Thanos, and hit Thanos maybe once?

Like I said, go look for Thor speed feats. I always post feats for Thor but I'm tired of doing so because a week later, the person I debate with forgets absolutely everything for some reason.

Thor doing so is just as likely if not more so than Runner blitzing for a knock out which he has never done as far as I know.

baka I'm not arguing his going to stop to monologue every time they fight or anything. I'm arguing that his nature is going to be his undoing. My point is that his either going to approach his fight with Thor as he did against Surfer or Thanos, and each of those approaches would prove to be a bad strategy against Thor. Stopping to monologue or engaging Thor in hand to hand would not be wise.

He didn't have his board for part of the fight.

Did you not see him running around thanos at what thanos said was x2 light speed constantly punching him? I think thats a blitz.

When was the last time I debated with you about thor? A month ago? And once again please tell me whats so hard about telling me what comic and against who did he have x2 light speed reaction feats?

Of his 3 fight shows he has blitzed 3 of them. So why is it unlikely for him to do so?

I'd agree with this 100%...if you can show me thor with x2 light speed speed reaction feats.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Point. He was trying to scare Thanos but he was also trying to defeat him I believe (Pointed out by Thanos I think). Either way, it's no skin off my back.

I still think Thanos was playing him the entire time.

Thanos also stated that Runner's speed was the only thing that kept him safe during their encounter:

(Implying that even with the gems he had, Thanos couldn't affect Runner until he stopped moving.)

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Edit: Re-reading the fight, I think the Runner was being amped by the Space Gem in that fight.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos2.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/VoltronForce/runnerthanos3.jpg

Runner himself believes that he was amped. He stated that it was only sometimes that he arrived at destinations before he started running. So that means he was not only using the Gem when he mentally teleported to a destination, no?

At least that's how I interpret it.

(Implying that Runner was only using the gem to subconsciously teleport, not to increase his raw speed.)

Originally posted by Black bolt z
OK.

Yeah its only been once or twice without prep but he has done it.

Thats what i thought.

I can't recall him ever doing it. If he has, Thor wasn't part of the line up.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I interpret that has him only using it sometimes. He thought it made him faster but it just teleported him.The time it didn't he wasn't subconciously tapping into it. Then which?

K.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
He didn't have his board for part of the fight.

He didn't have the board for like a page of the fight.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Did you not see him running around thanos at what thanos said was x2 light speed constantly punching him? I think thats a blitz.

When was the last time I debated with you about thor? A month ago? And once again please tell me whats so hard about telling me what comic and against who did he have x2 light speed reaction feats?

Of his 3 fight shows he has blitzed 3 of them. So why is it unlikely for him to do so?

I'd agree with this 100%...if you can show me thor with x2 light speed speed reaction feats.

He never blitzed Thanos. He only struck Thanos once. All he did beside that was destroy the chair.

I have no clue. Thankfully we have the search button. The comic is Thor #300.

Who claimed Thor has reflexes of twice the speed of light? The closest feat I can think of is when Thor spins his body at twice the speed of light. I guess you could count that to an extent.

Stop making shit up.

facepalm

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I interpret that has him only using it sometimes. He thought it made him faster but it just teleported him.The time it didn't he wasn't subconciously tapping into it. Then which?

He didn't have his board for part of the fight.

Did you not see him running around thanos at what thanos said was x2 light speed constantly punching him? I think thats a blitz.

When was the last time I debated with you about thor? A month ago? And once again please tell me whats so hard about telling me what comic and against who did he have x2 light speed reaction feats?

Of his 3 fight shows he has blitzed 3 of them. So why is it unlikely for him to do so?

I'd agree with this 100%...if you can show me thor with x2 light speed speed reaction feats.

However, we do know Runner's battle speed is FAR superior to Surfer's... And that's honestly the best gauge we have.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I can't recall him ever doing it. If he has, Thor wasn't part of the line up.

K.

He didn't have the board for like a page of the fight.

He never blitzed Thanos. He only struck Thanos once. All he did beside that was destroy the chair.

I have no clue. Thankfully we have the search button. The comic is Thor #300.

Who claimed Thor has reflexes of twice the speed of light? The closest feat I can think of is when Thor spins his body at twice the speed of light. I guess you could count that to an extent.

Stop making shit up.

facepalm

Still handicapped. And Thor was, was again, going all out.

Did you not see him running around him at x2 light speed pulverizing him?

How about you just tell me? That so hard rage kinda?

Mabye. But thats not really reaction. Thats him moving that fast. Not reacting to somethign that fast.

What did I make up? He blitzed thanos. He blitzed collector. He beat thr crap outta surfer. I'd say its in character considering thats how he fights. His only major power is speed so why would it not be in character for him to use that.

What there to facepalm yet? Just make the refernce.

Originally posted by Galan007
I disagree a bit here. I believe that Thanos only began playing mind games with Runner after Runner completed his initial blitz. That onslaught appeared to catch Thanos completely off guard (Thanos even noted that he had no idea Runner was as fast as he was.)

Thanos also stated that Runner's speed was the only thing that kept him safe during their encounter:

(Implying that even with the gems he had, Thanos couldn't affect Runner until he stopped moving.)

I have no clue whether Thanos was prepared for the initial blitz or not as I don't have the comic.

I do however think that the entire fight was Thanos just f*cking around. His shields alone which he used against Champion is all he would need to keep himself safe. That plus Thanos grabbing on to the chair like some scared child makes me think that he orchestrated the entire thing.

I'm aware that the Runner's speed was his only defense against Thanos. Even so, the Runner had stopped moving even right after his initial blitz, standing in front of Thanos and having a discussion.

If the requirement for Thanos winning was for the Runner to be still, the fight should have ended after the first page.

Originally posted by Galan007
Possibly... But also recall at the end of the battle, Thanos stated that the gem didn't make Runner faster -- it just allowed him to teleport across vast distances (hence why he sometimes arrived places before he knew he was going there):

(Implying that Runner was only using the gem to subconsciously teleport, not to increase his raw speed.)

Also aware of that. Note that Thanos also pointed out that it was only sometimes that he mentally teleport. My conclusion is that the Runner was always amped with the Gem, but it was only sometimes that he teleported. In short, the Runner was never faster, but he manipulated space in such away that he might as well have.