Originally posted by Bentley
So you agree this wasn't regular Molecule Man, you agree he wasn't in his right mind and was acting as himself?
From what I remember he wasn't as crazy as the Maker, thats my point. Thanos didn't pawn The Maker as easily as Sentry pawned MM.
I'm not sure if I ever disagreed.
Originally posted by Bentley
But he was crazy, it's not as if you can actually say how crazy he was, that's just speculation.
To an extent but I actually gave you reasons why he was behvaing rationally.
Wanting to be left alone isn't irrational.
Creating friends when you have the power to warp reality isn't crazy
Why didn't he leave earth? He wanted to go back to the area which he grew up in.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Did you write that story, or read an interview with the writer that said it was what he intended? If the answer is no, you should probably not bring that up again.Writer intention only counts if we KNOW what the writer intended.
The scans doesn't show all the heroes that were present. Bare in mind Emma Frost wasn't fighting Gorgon and Lockjaw were there also you may have missed Karnak.
Originally posted by Deadline
To an extent but I actually gave you reasons why he was behvaing rationally.Wanting to be left alone isn't irrational.
Creating friends when you have the power to warp reality isn't crazy
Why didn't he leave earth? He wanted to go back to the area which he grew up in.
You can understand the rationality of a paranoid, it doesn't make him any less unbalanced. Insane doesn't mean ilogical in every respect, but its still insane.
Originally posted by Deadline
There are varying degrees of insanity, the Maker seemed more insane to me.
That's fair. Although you could always argue whether if being more insane means less effective in battle or the relationship between fighting ability and power prowess can be even linked to right-mindness.
Originally posted by Bentley
That's fair. Although you could always argue whether if being more insane means less effective in battle or the relationship between fighting ability and power prowess can be even linked to right-mindness.
It depends, in comics its usually an excuse to say somebody wasn't fighting 100%. You can argue in certain cases it could make you more effective. I can't see Thanos beating a Maker without some circumstances, it had to be affecting her abiility to fight.
Originally posted by Deadline
It depends, in comics its usually an excuse to say somebody wasn't fighting 100%. You can argue in certain cases it could make you more effective. I can't see Thanos beating a Maker without some circumstances, it had to be affecting her abiility to fight.
But I assume you can see Sentry beating MM at his vs classic Beyonder levels 😉
Originally posted by bbrem123
pretty sure sentry was as crazy as they come...so i dont understand what this MM was crazy argument is?...just so u have an excuse to why he lost?
Just as we cannot assume a non-crazy Sentry would be the same, it's nonesense to suppose a crazy MM would fare exactly as a healthy one would do. Those are considerations we use on every character, so I don't see why the example wouldn't fit.
Originally posted by tkitna
Never even thought of the Lasso to be honest. Thats a good one.I dont know, I percieve the Void as being more than most people I suppose. Others are talking about Superman sundipping and that doesnt even register with me. Sentry/Void tore Ares in half and then when he went total Void, he was taking down Gods without much more effort than a person swatting a fly. I dont think people realize how easily he could have killed Thor. Thor was seconds away from being killed before the Void was distracted. Loki was a mere pest. I just dont think that Zatanna can amp enough to help herself in this case. Sundipped Superman is a beast, but I just dont think Void can be harmed physically if he is serious about winning.
It boils down to this. The more I think about it the more I realize that the lasso is probably their only real ace in the hole. In a forum battle, I gave the team the win. I'll admit that its possible for the team to physically KO the Void (is it though if he really doesnt want it that way? I dont know). If so, thats a win. Zatanna can mess with him for awhile, but I have no doubt that she would fall eventually. I think the Void is beyond a mind rape. Not sure what stealing his speed would accomplish either if it would even be possible. All comes down to the lasso in my opinion.
Forum battle, the team. A true battle, the team would be hard pressed to beat a being that cannot die. Defeat him and he pops up again. Good luck with that.
I don't agree, but I am quite tired and would like to address 2 points just now. Sentry's durability has never seemed that high to me. He has been taken down a fair few times, the problem, as you pointed out, is the Void usually restores him somehow. But a KO wins counts as a victory? Shouldn't be the hardest thing in the world.
Also are we sure he is immune to mindrape? A piece of the Void was easily trapped within the mind of Cyclops (in a imaginary box) even though it had seemed to overwhelm him. Scott doesn't even have mind powers, just some defenses he learned from Jean.
Might be nothing, but food for thought.
Originally posted by The Pict
I don't agree, but I am quite tired and would like to address 2 points just now. Sentry's durability has never seemed that high to me. He has been taken down a fair few times, the problem, as you pointed out, is the Void usually restores him somehow. But a KO wins counts as a victory? Shouldn't be the hardest thing in the world.
Its not Sentry in this thread its Void really.
Originally posted by The Pict
Also are we sure he is immune to mindrape? A piece of the Void was easily trapped within the mind of Cyclops (in a imaginary box) even though it had seemed to overwhelm him. Scott doesn't even have mind powers, just some defenses he learned from Jean.Might be nothing, but food for thought.
Well Emma Frost hasn't used it against Void, she has to talk to Bob.
Originally posted by The Pict
Sentry's durability has never seemed that high to me. He has been taken down a fair few times, the problem, as you pointed out, is the Void usually restores him somehow. But a KO wins counts as a victory? Shouldn't be the hardest thing in the world.
This is the Void though. The same being that was walking through and barely noticing the X-Men, FF, Avengers, and Strange at one point. Even Sentry/Void took an Axe in the side from Ares and shrugged it off as it were nothing. With those examples, how am I supposed to believe that a sundipped Supermans fists are going to be effective?
Also are we sure he is immune to mindrape? A piece of the Void was easily trapped within the mind of Cyclops (in a imaginary box) even though it had seemed to overwhelm him. Scott doesn't even have mind powers, just some defenses he learned from Jean.Might be nothing, but food for thought.
Hard to say and i'll admit to really not knowing. The Sentry has shown instances where he was immune and other times he was easily influenced. The Void doesnt share that mindset though. I would assume it would be much harder to control the Void though if its possible.
Originally posted by tkitna
This is the Void though. The same being that was walking through and barely noticing the X-Men, FF, Avengers, and Strange at one point. Even Sentry/Void took an Axe in the side from Ares and shrugged it off as it were nothing. With those examples, how am I supposed to believe that a sundipped Supermans fists are going to be effective?
That team sucked apparently, not enough heralds.
Originally posted by tkitna
Hard to say and i'll admit to really not knowing. The Sentry has shown instances where he was immune and other times he was easily influenced. The Void doesnt share that mindset though. I would assume it would be much harder to control the Void though if its possible.
I havent seen Sentry/Void beaten without Bob cooperating to some degree.
Originally posted by Deadline
Why do you keep saying that? 😬I think pointing out the lack of heralds would be missing the point. A bit confused as to why that team is pitiful.
I was responding to your comment.
I never said the team was bad, i said it wasn't full of heralds, which the JLA one for the most part is.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I was responding to your comment.
Right...
Originally posted by -Pr-
I never said the team was bad, i said it wasn't full of heralds, which the JLA one for the most part is.
I know you didn't but since you gave the thumbs to a quote were somebody said that the team was pitiful and this thread sucked, I made the assumption you may have agreed with that statment.
The JLA may have more heralds but that team had alot more of them and quite few high-metas.