Sentry vs. JLA

Started by Deadline21 pages

Originally posted by -Pr-
His personality doesn't make him Rhino.

Except that Flash's is a low showing, not his personality. CIS and full capacity on this forum remove stupidity unless it's an inherent character trait. No jobbing.

FULL CAPACITY + CIS = No low showings.

You get average showings, and you get high showings.

I'm not going to explain this again. I suggest you re-read the rules.

Do me a favour Pr try to read my post before arguing with me. I already stated that Flash would use FTL speeds against Void. He may not neccesarily use FTL speed against the heroes (for starters they won't kill him so its a less dire situation)

Thats not fighting like an idiot. As we can see from the Superman example you gave and agreed that personality does affect how you fight. I don't see Flash not using FTL speeds against a massive Void.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
feats.

meh........durability, id give u that but strength.....u'd be hard pressed to prove it

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
People need to stop acting like the Void was all by himself against every hero in Marvel in Siege. This was his team:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5VgL6ZXwkaw/S0YMCAsVwMI/AAAAAAAAQ_M/kzsPEnfRJ-w/s1600-h/Siege%201-5.jpg

The Hulk was able to take everything the Sentry could dish out. And Superman is both stronger and more durable than the Hulk.

All the JLA needs to do is equal the force of the Hellicarrier crashing into him.

This entire thread is absolutely ridiculous. Superman by himself can beat the Sentry. And so could several other members of the JLA.

Void tanked that helicarrier and all it did was create a Sentry persona that wanted to die. That's plot and doesn't exist in a Forum battle.
So Sentry instead of being all "Please Kill Me". He is instead focused on killing these JLAers.

Hulks clash with Sentry was a very early, unsure and uneducated Sentry. Who simply wanted a punching bag to unleash frustration on knowing Hulk would survive it. A later version of Sentry has no such limitations. Hulk was later shown scared of a Void attack.

The Helicarrier was a plot device to allow Sentry to gain his self destruction. If the JLAers can hit Void with the power equal to this feat it would just result in a pissed off Sentry who is completely willing to just change back into Void mode again.

Originally posted by Deadline
Do me a favour Pr try to read my post before arguing with me. I already stated that Flash would use FTL speeds against Void. He may not neccesarily use FTL speed against the heroes (for starters they won't kill him so its a less dire situation)

Thats not fighting like an idiot. As we can see from the Superman example you gave and agreed that personality does affect how you fight. I don't see Flash not using FTL speeds against a massive Void.

then what's this post:

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't know about. Black Bolt has gone toe-to-toe with Gladiator and beaten The Hulk he can fight Superman. Flash isn't going to go at FTL speed straight away and hes going to get punked, hes not dodging all of them. MM is probably going to fight physically at first. Batman and Plastic Man could be taken out by Emma.

Can Hal Jordan, WW and MM really beat the combined might of the rest of the team (which includes Dr Strange and Emma Frost)?

supposed to mean?

Originally posted by the ninjak
If the JLAers can hit Void with the power equal to this feat it would just result in a pissed off Sentry who is completely willing to just change back into Void mode again.

The JLA can hit him with 1,000's of times that much power.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY%20FEATS/shattertime.jpg

Originally posted by -Pr-
then what's this post:

supposed to mean?

Where is Void in that post?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
meh........durability, id give u that but strength.....u'd be hard pressed to prove it

Wrestling earth from Starbreaker

Earth is out of it’s orbital trench, they are pulling against Starbreakr’s power and the Sun’s gravity

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY%20FEATS/supermanmovesplanetfm9.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY%20FEATS/supermanmovesplanet1ns7.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY%20FEATS/supermanmovesplanet2qb7.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY%20FEATS/supermanmovesplanet4em6.jpg

Not enough? because is a shared feat?

Powering the endless millwheels of Maggedon which dwarfs the earht moon systems

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY%20FEATS/maggedon-2.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/2-1.jpg

Lifting a mini singularity the size of a baseball

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY%20FEATS/Supermanvsblackhole.jpg

Fast balling the mini singularity

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY%20FEATS/Untitled-7.gif

Shatters time and space with the SHOCWAVE of his punches

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/STRENGTH/SMAN.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY%20FEATS/retconpunch-1.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY%20FEATS/retconpunch2-1.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY%20FEATS/realityshateringpunches.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY%20FEATS/realityshateringpunches2.jpg

Destroying planetoids casually

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/STRENGTH/destroyingplanetiodswithease.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/STRENGTH/destroyingplanetionswithease2goldeg.jpg

Destroys a small moon:

http://s647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/STRENGTH/?action=view&current=moonbust4do6lr.jpg

Breanking GL JOHN STEWART constructs

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/VS%20SUPERHEROES/VS%20TEAM/Supermanvsgl2.jpg

Originally posted by Deadline
Where is Void in that post?

i was talking about Flash.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
meh........durability, id give u that but strength.....u'd be hard pressed to prove it

it's actually not, hence why it's debatable.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
The JLA can hit him with 1,000's of times that much power.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY%20FEATS/shattertime.jpg

Void cares not for Lois nor the inspiration Clark draws from her.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris

Destroying planetoids casually

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/STRENGTH/destroyingplanetiodswithease.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/STRENGTH/destroyingplanetionswithease2goldeg.jpg

what issue is that from?

Originally posted by -Pr-
i was talking about Flash.

My point was that I could seem him using FTL speed against Void not The team.

I tell you what though I guess I am still arguing hes going to fight like an idiot. Not using FTL against the team could certainly be argued as fighting like an idiot, but I don't see him not using it against The Void.

At any rate I really don't care. The rules state that personality is inolved you can't argue that Superman won't use his super speed straight away due to the fact it's his personality and then argue that other heroes will. Thats a contradiction and if you don't understand that then you clearly don't know what one is.

hmmmmmmmmm...............ok well u already knew what i'd do against the latern assist feat...lol at the GL construct that was cute, the mini singularity feat was impressive though.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
hmmmmmmmmm...............ok well u already knew what i'd do against the latern assist feat...lol at the GL construct that was cute, the mini singularity feat was impressive though.

Here's the fights between the two (granted its arguable whether they are canon or not, as they are crossovers, but crossovers are the only way we'll ever see them fight...)

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/hulk6b.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/hulk7.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/hulk8.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/supes_hulk_4.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/HulkvSupermanMountains.png

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Here's the fights between the two (granted its arguable whether they are canon or not, as they are crossovers, but crossovers are the only way we'll ever see them fight...)

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/hulk6b.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/hulk7.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/hulk8.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/supes_hulk_4.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/HulkvSupermanMountains.png

u and i both know thats not canon

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Here's the fights between the two (granted its arguable whether they are canon or not, as they are crossovers, but crossovers are the only way we'll ever see them fight...)

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/hulk6b.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/hulk7.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/hulk8.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/supes_hulk_4.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Superman%20VS%20Hulk/HulkvSupermanMountains.png

Non of the 3 is canon and the first one was PC Supes (not that it matters).

Originally posted by Sin I AM
u and i both know thats not canon

Yes, and I did point that out.

Worldbreaker Hulk was shaking the eastern seaboard of one continent, and Superman has many planet-shattering feats and even more impressive feats, such as shattering time, space and reality, feats involving black holes, etc. And Hulk needs to be REALLY mad to accomplish that as well. The Hulk's REALLY high end strength feats are few and far between (though they do exist).

And durability isn't even a question.

In short, if the Hulk can take everything the Sentry can dish out, Superman can do so easily. And that's just ONE MEMBER of the JLA. I can't understand how this thread even exists.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Yes, and I did point that out.

Worldbreaker Hulk was shaking the eastern seaboard of one continent, and Superman has many planet-shattering feats and even more impressive feats, such as shattering time, space and reality, feats involving black holes, etc. And Hulk needs to be REALLY mad to accomplish that as well. The Hulk's REALLY high end strength feats are few and far between (though they do exist).

And durability isn't even a question.

In short, if the Hulk can take everything the Sentry can dish out, Superman can do so easily. And that's just ONE MEMBER of the JLA. I can't understand how this thread even exists.

it exist b/c the void is not the same as standard Sentry in personality nor power usage.

the fact is that regardless of feats such as superman's, does not make it anymore likely to put down a guy who has fought various individuals who have replicated one or two feats similar to superman and continue fighting.

this isnt a superhero olympic came but a fight where Sentry and host of marvel heroes have replicated the feats or fought some one with such feats.

Originally posted by King Castle
it exist b/c the void is not the same as standard Sentry in personality nor power usage.

the fact is that regardless of feats such as superman's does it make it anymore likely to put down a guy who has fought various individuals who have replicated one or two feats similar to superman and continue fighting.

this isnt a superhero olympic came but a fight where Sentry and host of marvel heroes have replicated the feats or fought some one with such feats.

The Void wasn't alone. He had an ARMY with him. Some of his allies in that fight (X-ray, for example) are individually capable of (and have) taken down the Hulk. And the most powerful character fighting against him BY FAR was Thor. And there are 4 heroes on this JLA team who are close to Thor (if not superior to him). The Void got taken down by the Hellicarrier crashing into him. Superman has survived the equivalent of 50 supernovas at once. This fight isn't even a contest.

i agree that the JLA win but regardless of who was at the battle doesnt negate its ability seeing that he was individually fighting said group while the army was occupied with others.

the hellcarrier is a massive lowballing b/c it crashed into him big deal i can state Superman has bn taken down by smaller occasions that dont even reach a nuke power. either way we have seen Sentry overpower Terrax, take a hit from Thor, fight Hulk at the end of the day striking power and resistance to said blows is what matters in a fight nothing else stick to it and we will be fine.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Yes, and I did point that out.

Worldbreaker Hulk was shaking the eastern seaboard of one continent, and Superman has many planet-shattering feats and even more impressive feats, such as shattering time, space and reality, feats involving black holes, etc. And Hulk needs to be REALLY mad to accomplish that as well. The Hulk's REALLY high end strength feats are few and far between (though they do exist).

And durability isn't even a question.

In short, if the Hulk can take everything the Sentry can dish out, Superman can do so easily. And that's just ONE MEMBER of the JLA. I can't understand how this thread even exists.

of trust me i agree that this thread shouldnt exist...i just disagree that Clark is stronger..he seems to have a finite limit imo barring outside influence (sundipping), whereas Hulk just seems to have the power to be as strong as he needs to be (depending on rage level)...anywho, i honestly dont see how Void wins

No1 has made a compelling argument other than he can reform, hich to my knowledge is a k.o. per forum rules. Loki and Ares arent nearly as durable as the JLArs, and people keep bringing up the fact that their Gods as if that legitimizes Voids feat. I mean yes the are "gods" in the most base sense of the word. But that in itself doesnt classify as an outstanding feat in itself by killing them, as Ares alluded to it himself per Phobos that he's been "killed" before. Lasso, speed-steal, sundip, mind-rape, pummeling( Sentry/Void has weak durability), Magic imbued physical assaults, tactical advantage perp prep, extrmemly durably distraction via PM....and i haven't even mentioned Hal yet. Most of Sentry/Voids abilities are implied hyperbole, which seems to run rampant with Marvel characters. He's not one-shotting anyone here, and with prep along with basic knowedge of whattheir facing it really is spite imo.......but alas thats my opinion 😮‍💨