Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Well, I just don't agree that he would overrule Cyttorak's enchantment. But I guess we can agree to disagree there. My primary concern is that he won't really even try to the point of causing the planet to blow up. With CIS on, Wally is not gonna endanger the heroes present who would prolly die in case he releases too much kinetic energy (Batman for one).I'm sure Supes, MM and the GL can easily spot invisible opponents. But the force traps aren't opponents. They're force constructs that are invisible. I don't doubt that Supes or GL can eventually find the constructs if they decide to ACTIVELY scan the battlefield with some exotic sensory power, but would they be able to figure out to do so before Flash gets tagged by one of them? And it's also questionable if he can vibrate thru the force fields the second he runs into it as he prolly won't even know what hit him when he does. I know Flash has been able to vibrate thru force fields before, but that looks like it took time and if Flash runs into the force fields at his speeds, he might not even know what to vibrate for.
I DO see Wally getting sicced on Super Skrull eventually, just dunno when this will be. With CIS on, they might end up going on solo combat first and it might be a while before they realize that the only real option they have would be speed steal, with CIS on, I can see them beating on SJS first. 😛 They'll end up losing a few of their members this way. Also, bear in mind that Batman and Steele are REALLY out of their league here and would most prolly be taken down early. The REAL fight is between: Surfer, SJS, FC Glads vs MM, Supes, Flash, WW and GL. If you look at the odds, 3v5 isn't really that big a favor for the JLA given their limitations (Flash can't fly and Supes and MM have exploitable weaknesses). I can actually see the Surfer and SJS taking down Supes/MM via their weaknesses early on (as SJS NATURALLY attacks by fire a lot).
I do agree that if he manages to get the change to pull off a speed steal and that it DOES work, then BFR becomes a viable win option for Wally.
I do agree that Wally wouldn't endanger anyone on planet Earth if he could help it. I was referring to someone on the other team doing that, and how Wally would react.
In this one, I was making the argument that the moment that SJS went invisible that MM would start scanning for him via tp and extra senses. I'm arguing that he'd be able to braodcast SJS' thoughts and or location to the rest of the JLA. Also when Wally had trouble vibrating through shields, he was still supersonic at top speed iirc. Now he can go 0-light in almost no time. Also, just based upon the fact that he can react fast enough to vibrate whenever he feels something touch him indicates to me that he probably would get through SS shields. I'm sure it would get a win though, but Wally will avoid it for the most part.
I agree with that. SJS and Wally will fight, but really I think that Superman will take on Gladiator. WW, and MM will take on Surfer once they see how he does against GL. The moment that SJS turns invisible or flames up, MM will either use tp to connect the JLA or stay away from him and focus on surfer. 😛 Either way, if Wally sees that the speed steal is taking too long, he will just bfr.
Originally posted by Sin I AMSurfer has Cosmic Awareness, superior durability, superior power output, vast matter manipulation capabilities, vast energy manipulation capabilities, and consistent spatial abilities. Hal doesn't.
in what sense? 😕
Originally posted by Sin I AMWhatever.
lol, but seriously, IMO norrin and hal are equals and anyone would be hard-pressed to prove otherwise...OR BIASED
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Hal has limited matter and energy manipulation at best. It's almost non-existent. He definitely does not have vast matter and energy manipulation capabilities. The ring's abilities don't come close to Cosmic Awareness. It's Worldmind-lite.That was supposed to be "temporal/spatial." And it's true.
Then, as usual, I don't agree with you.
This is getting to be a tiresome habit. sneer
Originally posted by jrodslamSurfer senses sh1t happening in other galaxies without even focusing on it. His Cosmic Awareness works to understand the focus of his attention directly.
Lol damn... I wouldnt quiiite say that. i would say that Surfers ca is more instinct and may function quicker. Hal on the other hand has to ask and get info from the ring with many things.
Cosmic Awareness isn't an iPhone app that syncs you up with a database. The GL rings are. To be fair, so is the Worldmind frankly.
Originally posted by jrodslamHonestly...No one knows.....It not amping a normal human being.....but and already super powerful alien. If it amps starting from the base strength level of Ben then wouldn't SJS level come close or even exceed Kal?!? Thats assuming it increases ones strength a 100 fold....Who knows how the amp would effect the other exotic powers he has....If he decides to wrap someone up Boa style and crush them....can that be stopped? or even challenged?
Can someone tell me what the gem would actually do for Skrull? Aside from the amp in power, will he have immunity to telepathy, or would a helmet or armor be given ala Juggy?