Originally posted by Bentley
Huh... Anyone with nanosecond reaction times (read: Quasar, for example) is faster than a week in a fraction of a second.Wikipedia: "One nanosecond is to one second as one second is to 31.7 years."
I'll put this way. The Tech Reed used pretty much separated them form the timeline. Gladiator overcame the time barrier on sheer speed. Akin to how Flash and Sufer travel through time on sheer speed.
Originally posted by moonknight11
I'll put this way. The Tech Reed used pretty much separated them form the timeline. Gladiator overcame the time barrier on sheer speed. Akin to how Flash and Sufer travel through time on sheer speed.
Oh, so there was a time barrier to break? I may have the issue, can you give me the issue number so I can get the context of the feat?
Originally posted by moonknight11(1). That is not current Gladiator but a future version of him.
Reed Richards built a device that allowed him to speed himself and other up through time-dilation. He, Thor, and the rest of the FF spent more than two weeks in between a fraction of a second. Glads was able to interact with them and fight the hypersped up thor. Show me a comparable Superman feat. If you don't you have lost the debate. I'll wait.
His body is so speeded up that he can casually interact in a fraction of a nanosecond, an instant suspended between „eternities of past and future” – a time suspension.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondInteraction1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondInteraction2.jpg
Without any kind of visible effort or needing to consciously push himself to that level of speed.
Would you like me to mathematically show you how this is orders of magnitude above what Gladiator displayed?
Originally posted by moonknight11As has Superman. Or various Green Lanterns - they do it on a regular basis, actually. I'm not sure what your point is. That they travel really fast?
Silver Surfer has : gone Lightyears in seconds(multiple times
Originally posted by moonknight11I'm sure you're not saying that Surfer, a character with one of the most impressive tracking and cosmic senses, just literally flew around the world and looked - as in literally, in order for this to be anything impressive - at least in terms of what you seem to be implying (combat speed).
searched the earth in a handful of seconds
Originally posted by moonknight11Yes, we've already established he can fly really fast.
traveled through time on sheer speed
Originally posted by moonknight11Surfer rivals the durability of rookie Green Lanterns? Unfathomable, I tell you.
and shrugged off a black hole.
Originally posted by moonknight11Superboy Prime and current Superman? Hold on there soldier, we're just at rookie Green Lanterns and the weakest version of Superman.
Show me a comparable Superman/Superboy Prime feat.
Originally posted by Philosophía
(1). That is not current Gladiator but a future version of him.
(2). Sure. I'll go with Byrne Superman, the weakest version of the character in post Crisis history.His body is so speeded up that he can casually interact in a fraction of a nanosecond, an instant suspended between „eternities of past and future” – a time suspension.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondInteraction1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondInteraction2.jpgWithout any kind of visible effort or needing to consciously push himself to that level of speed.
Would you like me to mathematically show you how this is orders of magnitude above what Gladiator displayed?
Future version? Hrm, must investigate further. Anyhow that feat you just posted outstrips everything current supes has done(like barely keeping up with lightspeed jay garrick). Gladiator has had fights in between nanosecs anyway so idk why that is so far above glads.
As has Superman. Or various Green Lanterns - they do it on a regular basis, actually. I'm not sure what your point is. That they travel really fast?
Are you referring to the time Supes held a tiny black hole in his hand, or the time he struggled to escape a black hole? Both of those times supes was straining. Surfer wasn't even affected by going right through the hole.
I'm sure you're not saying that Surfer, a character with one of the most impressive tracking and cosmic senses, just literally flew around the world and looked - as in literally, in order for this to be anything impressive - at least in terms of what you seem to be implying (combat speed).
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7694/silversurferannual0508tc4.jpg
Except that, that is exactly what the art implies. He flew off and returned. You're telling me that he left, used his cosmic senses, and then came back? That sounds incredibly silly. Also I don't see why his cosmic senses would be fine when Strange's were intyerfered with.
Also, I'm sure you're aware of the Infinity Gauntlet snatch?
Yes, we've already established he can fly really fast.Surfer rivals the durability of rookie Green Lanterns? Unfathomable, I tell you.
Both of which surpass Supes btw.
Superboy Prime and current Superman? Hold on there soldier, we're just at rookie Green Lanterns and the weakest version of Superman.
As opposed to the incredibly strong current version which can't even tank the weight of a planet? And the Superboy that has more low-end feats than 3.5 sentrys?
Superman has scanned earth instantly with both his hearing and his vision. At different times.
He's flown far faster than light.
Superman has existed inside a black hole for a considerable amount of time, and then flew out of it. Under his own power.
Superman has taken planet busting shots and tanked them fine.
The JlA is also a team. Very well versed in group combat. All of them have very high speed feats. Flash can also speed his entire team up so fast that they can come up with a whole plan before the other team can form thought. You also have Manhunter who can link his team. The JLA can fight as one superfast unit without uttering one word to each other. MM's telepathy or Diana's lasso take out SS. Superman can take out Gladiator on his own. Infinite man was some crazy god killer abstract type and Superman actually put up as good a fight as Orion did in Death of New Gods. I doubt Gladiator has any feat that outs him anywhere near Infinite man. Silver Surfer can beat anyone on Jla but, depending on who, would take a long time. He would have to exaust Green Lantern to beat him. Not likely given this is a team fight.
Originally posted by DarkestSonata
Its kinda hard to call this one without more information on their environment. If they are in an inhabited town, i think this fight tips in the marvel teams favor drastically. Superman has shown before that he isn't all that fast when it comes to fighting either. He has also shown that he is foolish enough to stand toe-to-toe with one of the few enemies he fights that is strong enough to even hurt him, and guess what, he died, rather horribly. All-in-all, id say that Gladiator and supes duke it out until the surfer and skrull can kill the other members of the team. Once its three on one, Supes falls like the rest.The biggest fight breaker here is the surfer. The seriously underestimated fighter can travel through stars and blackholes, he can fire projectiles powerful enough to destroy entire planets. He is also able to travel extremely quickly. The combination is devastating, he'll be quick enough to catch the flash, and his projectiles strong enough to kill anybody in the JLA.
It would be a good fight, but Team Marvel takes it.
Originally posted by DianaFan
I completely disagree. Superboy Prime is faster than Surfer by a large degree and even he was puddy in a Flash's speed force dump. Wonder Woman and Superman would kick Gladiator's ass. Too bad Martian Manhunter defeats Glads and SS with in the first few seconds of the fight.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Doesn't he not have that weakness anymore?
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Just how pray tell, does a character as weak against heat and fire like the Manhunter is, going to beat someone that is not only stronger, but can also fire heat vision that is hotter than a star?
he's not weak against heat in general, and his weakness to fire has been somewhat redefined.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
The mere though of facing off against two humans like Batman, the Flash, and a woman would send Gladiators confidence through the roof. Even if by some miracle the Manhunter was able to beat Gladiator, Super Skrull with Cytorak is not only exponentially more powerful, but also TP resistant. The JLA has to many weak links. Seriously what are Flash Batman and Steel going to contribute? Flash's speed counted for jack shit against Doomsday, Steel could be melted to slag, and as for Batman do I even have to say it?
You seriously don't know what Flash is going to contribute?
Originally posted by BrockalizerYou do realize of any hero Flash is one of the top sufferers of PIS. Just as batman cannot unleash the batkick for all problems in comics neither can flash use the extent of his powers. If he did story would read as follows.
The mere though of facing off against two humans like Batman, the Flash, and a woman would send Gladiators confidence through the roof. Even if by some miracle the Manhunter was able to beat Gladiator, Super Skrull with Cytorak is not only exponentially more powerful, but also TP resistant. The JLA has to many weak links. Seriously what are Flash Batman and Steel going to contribute? Flash's speed counted for jack shit against Doomsday, Steel could be melted to slag, and as for Batman do I even have to say it?
