Gladiator, Silver Surfer, and Super Skrull vs. JLA!!!!!!!!!!

Started by Sin I AM16 pages
Originally posted by Brockalizer
The mere though of facing off against two humans like Batman, the Flash, and a woman would send Gladiators confidence through the roof.

lol come on guy? humans, really? is that the level you put Flash, Bruce, and Diana? Bruce is there for tactical purposes only, there is no need for him to engage anyone, and as soon as Kallark hits WW and she DOESNT GET ONE-SHOTTTED, she chokes him out with her lasso, his confidence will plummet. I think its highly probable that even coming in contact with it will cause him lose strength.

IMO i wouldnt even have Glads engage Clark. It would be WW, her h2h is superior and she has the strength, speed, stamina and durability to go toe-to-toe. Basic knowledge stip gives SM the heads up to stay clear of Norrin who imo would have his hands busy with Hal. that leaves Steel, Flash, MM time to deal with the Skrull with SM providing an assist to Diana as needed. Team 1 isnt even a "team" they are a group of individuals...whereas the JLA are tried and true.

Originally posted by Philosophía
(1). That is not current Gladiator but a future version of him.
(2). Sure. I'll go with Byrne Superman, the weakest version of the character in post Crisis history.

His body is so speeded up that he can casually interact in a fraction of a nanosecond, an instant suspended between „eternities of past and future” – a time suspension.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondInteraction1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/NanosecondInteraction2.jpg

Without any kind of visible effort or needing to consciously push himself to that level of speed.

Would you like me to mathematically show you how this is orders of magnitude above what Gladiator displayed?

As has Superman. Or various Green Lanterns - they do it on a regular basis, actually. I'm not sure what your point is. That they travel really fast?

I'm sure you're not saying that Surfer, a character with one of the most impressive tracking and cosmic senses, just literally flew around the world and looked - as in literally, in order for this to be anything impressive - at least in terms of what you seem to be implying (combat speed).

Yes, we've already established he can fly really fast.

Surfer rivals the durability of rookie Green Lanterns? Unfathomable, I tell you.

Superboy Prime and current Superman? Hold on there soldier, we're just at rookie Green Lanterns and the weakest version of Superman.

actually i'm fairly certain surfer uses hyperspace

Originally posted by Hitman911
Ummm Yes it does my friend....."FC Gladiator" = Full Confidence Gladiator. That means there is NO thought in his mind that says he shouln't Pwn any and everyone on the field.
Also no one will bfr Klr't.... 1. The gem would amp the base strength of the Thing making him>>>>>>Juggy as far as strength. 2. He can fly 3. The only one that can see him coming is Kal who im sure will be occupied.
4. Unlike the other clowns on the Marvel team Kli'rt wont hold back which spell a yukky mess for the JLA....
5. Superman would HAVE to address him leaving the rest of his team in GRAVE Danger....
Only Kal can deal with the invisible unstoppable "Force"... That leaves the Team at a disadvantage....imo

The Superman Kool Aid drinkers would distort logic to find a way for Superman to triumph over the entire Marvel Universe in a fight on a planet made of Kryptonite orbiting a red sun. The JLA is much like most of the DC Universe gayer than a leather pinata. Batman prefers the company of young boys. Martian Manhunter looks like the bastard son of Kermit the Frog and Elton John. Green Lantern has a nice flashy pride ring. Flash has a bright flaming red suit to match his flaming desires and as for Superman. Well the Man of Steel couldn't be a bigger homo if he came with AIDS and a death certificate. Lois Lane is just window dressing, Elton John married a woman once, it didn't change the fact that he likes to "swab the poop deck".

Originally posted by Brockalizer
The Superman Kool Aid drinkers would distort logic to find a way for Superman to triumph over the entire Marvel Universe in a fight on a planet made of Kryptonite orbiting a red sun. The JLA is much like most of the DC Universe gayer than a leather pinata. Batman prefers the company of young boys. Martian Manhunter looks like the bastard son of Kermit the Frog and Elton John. Green Lantern has a nice flashy pride ring. Flash has a bright flaming red suit to match his flaming desires and as for Superman. Well the Man of Steel couldn't be a bigger homo if he came with AIDS and a death certificate. Lois Lane is just window dressing, Elton John married a woman once, it didn't change the fact that he likes to "swab the poop deck".

So you're a bigot and a troll? Nice.

You should quit while you're ahead.

i lol'd

Originally posted by Bentley
Huh? Why? J'onz can tp blast everyone at once.
IIRC shiar imperial guard has tech based tp blockers. cytorrak gem comes with helmet against psy attacks and the force-field to stack upon SS's own imensely powerfull force-fields, so taking that helmet off (and figuring it out) will be extremely tough. I don't see anyone getting mindraped.

how's jonnz fire resistances these days? I actually believe he's the first to go down here after batman.

fight could go either way. the JLA has the big number advantage, but also more weaknesses to exploit. an indestructible klrt and the SS would be a scary duo too.

So the gem has Jugg's helmet? I didn't see that mentioned anywhere so I thought it wasn't there. Considering that MM doesn't necesarily solos ermm

The Imperial Guard's psychic dampeners have been breached by everyone and their mother though, just to bring three examples: Cassandra Nova, Cancerverse Professor X and Phoenixless Rachel. It's within J'onz capabilities to mind-rape Kallark.

Kallark has never fell to a mind rape. He has been mind blasted and he did resist it so the only thing jon could possibly do is temporarily stun him which would then send kallark on a rage.

If each opponent has knowledge of the other, I see no reason for kallark to blitz jon from the beginning since he would be an annoyance to the team.

Originally posted by carver9
Kallark has never fell to a mind rape. He has been mind blasted and he did resist it so the only thing jon could possibly do is temporarily stun him which would then send kallark on a rage.

If each opponent has knowledge of the other, I see no reason for kallark to blitz jon from the beginning since he would be an annoyance to the team.

cassandra nova pulverized his confidence by showing him the empire in ruins and easily crushed him in battle, but i cant recall if she actually mindraped him directly

since when does the gem come with the helmut?

Originally posted by 753
cassandra nova pulverized his confidence by showing him the empire in ruins and easily crushed him in battle, but i cant recall if she actually mindraped him directly

does that not qualify?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
since when does the gem come with the helmut?
? how does it not?

Originally posted by -Pr-
does that not qualify?
It might, I cant recall if she actually reached inside his mind or just told him to look at the state of the empire with his supervision and that made him crack. powerwise, she crushed him though

Originally posted by moonknight11
Future version? Hrm, must investigate further.
You haven't even read the storyline you're using to support the character? Shocking.

ermmnone

Originally posted by moonknight11
Anyhow that feat you just posted outstrips everything current supes has done(like barely keeping up with lightspeed jay garrick).

(1). That isn't current Superman. It's the Superman from almost a decade ago. And Superman wasn't barely keeping up with Jay Garrick, he was at least as fast as him before Jay stole his speed. And it was written by Geoff Johns, who has a hard-on for Flashes.
(2). Jay Garrick directly admitted that current Superman is faster than him.
(3). I somewhat doubt you know what current Superman is capable of, since you don't even read the character you're supporting. 🙂
(4). Gladiator doesn't have anything comparable to that either way.

How about I turn this upside down? The feats you're bringing up for Gladiator, decades old ones, outstrip everything current Gladiator has done.

Originally posted by moonknight11
Gladiator has had fights in between nanosecs anyway so idk why that is so far above glads.
You seem to mis-remember your argument. This wasn't me showing a feat that outstrips everything Gladiator has done in his entire history - this is me showing a feat that surpasses the one you brought up - and for which you asked one that is superior otherwise we've "lost the argument". Which I did.

But since you brought up Gladiator's 'nanosecond fights', then yes, what I brought up also outstrips that particular instance.

Originally posted by moonknight11
Are you referring to the time Supes held a tiny black hole in his hand, or the time he struggled to escape a black hole? Both of those times supes was straining. Surfer wasn't even affected by going right through the hole.
haermm

Having problems concentrating on what your arguments were? Again. Read what I adressed - you making your argument based on travel speed - eg. "Silver Surfer has : gone Lightyears in second". Unless this was a pathetic attempt at dodging your lack of further argumentation on that point, in which case I can't even say well played.

You should take lessons on the art of dodging from a veteran poster here - quanchi, and then get back to me.

Originally posted by moonknight11
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7694/silversurferannual0508tc4.jpg
Except that, that is exactly what the art implies. He flew off and returned.
Yes, the art implied he flew off and returned. Not that he flew off and physically looked for what he was searching, instead of using his high-end tracking cosmic senses and capabilities. That is just your wishful thinking. Which you're welcomed to, if it makes you feel better, but it isn't any kind of valid argument.

Originally posted by moonknight11
Also, I'm sure you're aware of the Infinity Gauntlet snatch?
The one he failed to do?

Originally posted by moonknight11
Both of which surpass Supes btw.
I'll let Raoul:
Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman has existed inside [double] black holes for a considerable amount of time, and then flew out of it. Under his own power.

I did smile at you saying that rookie Green Lanterns are more durable than Superman, though.

It just goes to show that your stance is based on rational, well-thought arguments.

Originally posted by moonknight11
As opposed to the incredibly strong current version which can't even tank the weight of a planet? And the Superboy that has more low-end feats than 3.5 sentrys?
I take it you're playing the "I use the highest feats for Gladiator and take the lowest feats for the character he is up against" game? That's trolling.

because the helmut isnt standard for each person who weilds the gem, it must be created....it hardly matters becauseit takes litle force to remove it

Originally posted by 753
It might, I cant recall if she actually reached inside his mind or just told him to look at the state of the empire with his supervision and that made him crack. powerwise, she crushed him though

she ploughed through the entire imperial guard too; psi resistance doesn't seem to be their forte.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
because the helmut isnt standard for each person who weilds the gem, it must be created....it hardly matters becauseit takes litle force to remove it
all users I recall manifested it. it will not be easily removed behind SS's force-fields (with infinite stamina to back them up) + cytorrak's forcefields and MMH would have to figure that out anyway.

Originally posted by -Pr-
she ploughed through the entire imperial guard too; psi resistance doesn't seem to be their forte.
undeniably, she wrecked them all. I think she and was already crushing gladiator even before the mindrape that may or may not have taken place

Doesn't the Cyttorak gem ALSO supply the Unique Psi-immune armor that juggs has to it's user?