Originally posted by D_Dude1210He wouldn't get to do that, since Superman will punch him hard enough that his ken doll parts will fall off, within the first instants of the battle.
Nope. 🙂 CIS/CIP and all that.Would be like me arguing that SS shrinks to microverse size from the get-go, enter some1's brain and open black holes....
Originally posted by BentleyMinus the shrinking part, because some of them realize that would indeed be an idiotic move.
That's how people think Surfer fights around here though 😖hifty:
I don't need to fetch off an instance of where this was tried on Juggernaut's forcefield and it worked. You need to show one where it didn't, otherwise it's a feasible tactic.
I know all this rational, logic based arguments are not something you're familiar with, but it's all quite simple, even for someone like you.
Originally posted by Philosophíayour condescendence is so hilarious while you ask me to prove a negative. why should we assume MMH's phase field would bypass his shields as opposed to the vibrational phasing employed by the others? because people think it shifts his mass to other dimensions? so what? if we assume the mystical nature of the fields interferes with phasing as you have done yourself, one would need to show mmh has phased through mystical force-fields as well.
I don't need to fetch off an instance of where this was tried on Juggernaut's forcefield and it worked. You need to show one where it didn't, otherwise it's a feasible tactic.I know all this rational, logic based arguments are not something you're familiar with, but it's all quite simple, even for someone like you.
Originally posted by 753So it's a completly different method through which they phase, thus the ineffectiveness of one does not prove the ineffectiveness of the other?
why should we assume MMH's phase field would bypass his shields as opposed to the vibrational phasing employed by the others? because people think it shifts his mass to other dimensions? so what?
Your intelligence overwhelms this discussion.
It's quite amusing how in your head I'm supposed to prove that the attack works, instead of it being your burden to form a defense against it. What you're doing here is say that Juggernaut's shield stops everything, unless proven otherwise. It's populary called the no-limit fallacy. Do it again, and you're reported for trolling.
Originally posted by Philosophíahow can there be proof when the two are from different universes?
There's absolutely no proof that J'onn's phasing, at the very least, wouldn't work.
now, the reasoning is that juggy's ff is mystical in nature and has not been physically bypassed (that I'm aware of). the only time his ff was bypassed was by magic.
Originally posted by Philosophía
He wouldn't get to do that, since Superman will punch him hard enough that his ken doll parts will fall off, within the first instants of the battle.Minus the shrinking part, because some of them realize that would indeed be an idiotic move.
That was a hypothetical statement. :-/ Also, Surfer would beat Supes 1v1. He's more durable, more powerful and got weakness exploit. Tho, admittedly, the numbers would ensure that he'll go down hard here. SJS is the wild card here as there is no way they'll be breaching his FF.
The shrinking to "microverse size" would make him unhittable. And there's no indication that he'd be any less powerful while smaller.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Is it just me or is Phil being overly aggressive at debating here? :-/ relax, bud.
Phil is ALWAYS like that. That's his debating style... he bash and kind of debate at the same time. Look at all of his post and you,ll see what I am talking about. I can't believe a mod didn't warn him yet out of all of these years with him bashing the way he does.
Originally posted by carver9
Phil is ALWAYS like that. That's his debating style... he bash and kind of debate at the same time. Look at all of his post and you,ll see what I am talking about. I can't believe a mod didn't warn him yet out of all of these years with him bashing the way he does.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Originally posted by Starscream MYes, the no-limits falallacy, as I've already pointed out.
now, the reasoning is that juggy's ff is mystical in nature and has not been physically bypassed (that I'm aware of)
You randomly asses that just because certain methods of attack haven't worked against the forcefield, the unbreachable status holds for any other method, like phasing.
I could go on about how photons and sound breach the shield and thus it's feasible, but that would be quite above the primitive level we're now at.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210No, he wouldn't.
Also, Surfer would beat Supes 1v1.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Feel free to prove it.
He's more durable
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Versatility is different from actual, raw power. Surfer is not more powerful than Superman.
more powerful
Originally posted by D_Dude1210That he wouldn't have time to use in a forum fight.
got weakness exploit.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Because he'd run away in another dimension for self-bfr? I agree.
The shrinking to "microverse size" would make him unhittable.