Originally posted by Allankles
Eeeh! He's right. Theoretically a blue star gives him more power as do quasars and the other more intense or younger stars than yellow stars, but in this story this power increase wasn't shown. The only new power he showed in the story was a type of vision power that allowed him to give other people his powers.He had problems with Bizzarro Doomsday and the like. Showing no increase in his abilities beyond the vision powers. More than likely, he hadn't been exposed to enough blue sunlight for there to be a marked increase in his physical stats, during the duration of his time in Bizarro world.
An amp is an amp my friend which makes it an unusable feat. Just like we know if he is in the area of a yellow sun, he receives a power boost. He was doing things that a normal Superman isn't capable of. Kind of like Skaar... he received an outside amp which boosted him past him normal mark of strength and speed... since we know an outside source amped him then that isn't a feat that can be used for an average Skaar.
Do you not understand this? Any outside amp with no indication of everything or anything that was involved with this amp is an irrelevant feat to use.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaExcept it did. They highlighted it before hand by saying a blue sun could alter his powers. From that statement on it became clear anything Superman did under a blue sun would be tainted cause the very fact he was under a blue sun altered his powers.
The actual increase in power wasn't stated, suggested or even shown to be dramatic, and saying that the magnitude it increased renders it completly irrelevant to normal Superman's capabilities is idiotic.As I previously mentioned, unless you start saying that Superman had become magnitudes of times more powerful - eventough nothing in the actual story suggests as such, then it says lengths about normal Superman's capabilities - even if it would take him 2 or 3 times more time to do the same thing. Which is being generous since the increase in power was nowhere shown to be that big.
What's a weak argument is shoving your fingers into your ears and going "wah wah wah he was amped, it's unusable, I don't care about anything else wah wah wah".
That's a very retarded thing to say.
And it's actually not a retarded thing to say considering he was on a planet that was completely created from the mind of Bizarro. If his powers under a blue sun can alter his father to give him Superman powers I think odds are good he could just as easily used them to alter a city the way BIzarro used his to you know create the city in the first place.
Originally posted by NewjakIt was stated and/or shown to be a dramatic increase? Where, besides in your head?
Except it did.
Originally posted by NewjakIt enhanced his powers, and made him develop a new one. The enhancement in power was not shown to be significant in any way that would render this feat completly unussable to normal Superman's capabilities - we're talking him having to become orders of magnitudes faster than normal in order to significantly diminish the impressivness of this feat.
They highlighted it before hand by saying a blue sun could alter his powers. From that statement on it became clear anything Superman did under a blue sun would be tainted cause the very fact he was under a blue sun altered his powers.
Now unless you're a complete and irreversible moron, I don't think you'd say that Superman had just become 10^x times faster.
Wait, you're the one saying that he didn't actually use his speed, but he might aswell have used a city-building power he developed off-panel.
Nevermind the questionable moronity.
Originally posted by NewjakYes, it is a retarded thing. You might not see it because, well, you know. Bizarro created the planet by slamming asteroids together, and then he created the population using the Bizarro vision he developed under the blue sun. His version of the Superman-vision Clark did. The only extra-abilities they were shown developing. I could say I was surprised that you actually were that much of an idiot to say he didn't use his speed to build the city, but some ability you pulled out of your ass and said he developed off-panel, but I knew from every other discussions we've had that you're a qualified dense person; astonishingly enough, you're not the dumbest in this thread, as page 2 onwards shows, but still, it doesn't really say much. Maybe it's because of how rarely you post, but your dumb-to-post ratio is astonishing.
And it's actually not a retarded thing to say considering he was on a planet that was completely created from the mind of Bizarro. If his powers under a blue sun can alter his father to give him Superman powers I think odds are good he could just as easily used them to alter a city the way BIzarro used his to you know create the city in the first place.
Which is why I'm going to stop, because this won't be anything else other than you saying dumb things, unsupported by anything actually shown on panel, and me having to respond in kind.
Philo cracks me up..."It enhanced his powers, and made him develop a new one" Yet because it wasn't specifically stated to be a dramatic increase, the feat is still totally valid without circumstances? The answer is equivocably no it isn't without circumstances. If you're stated to be operating differently under a blue sun then a normal sun, and shown to even get extra powers.... Logic dictates you can never say with certainly he could pull off that feat under a normal yellow sun. I know Philo is desperate to have the feat stick, problem is, it doesn't come close to sticking because of the circumstances and increase in power.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Philo cracks me up..."It enhanced his powers, and made him develop a new one" Yet because it wasn't specifically stated to be a dramatic increase, the feat is still totally valid without circumstances? The answer is equivocably no it isn't without circumstances. If you're stated to be operating differently under a blue sun then a normal sun, and shown to even get extra powers.... Logic dictates you can never say with certainly he could pull off that feat under a normal yellow sun. I know Philo is desperate to have the feat stick, problem is, it doesn't come close to sticking because of the circumstances and increase in power.
This...
We don't know how Superman built that city since again, he gained new powers. He could have flew around it visioning the entire place... or whatever else since again, he had new powers.
If a dummy like Bizarro can create a world under a blue sun, imagine what someone with Superman intellect could do.
Its an unusable feat and if it was any other character (like Thor or Gladiator), Phil would be on the other end cheerleading along with bashing like normal stating how invalid the feat is. Kind of like he did with the Gladiator and Thor feat when they were fighting at hyperspeeds.
Originally posted by carver9
This...We don't know how Superman built that city since again, he gained new powers. He could have flew around it visioning the entire place... or whatever else since again, he had new powers.
If a dummy like Bizarro can create a world under a blue sun, imagine what someone with Superman intellect could do.
Its an unusable feat and if it was any other character (like Thor or Gladiator), Phil would be on the other end cheerleading along with bashing like normal stating how invalid the feat is. Kind of like he did with the Gladiator and Thor feat when they were fighting at hyperspeeds.
Oh wow I agree with Carver.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaLet me state it another way, as soon as they said they did not know what new powers he would gain or how his abilities increased they left it open so that anything thereafter could be a minor or major increase. Just as as yes it did not state it was a dramatic increase it did not also state it was a minor one as well.
It was stated and/or shown to be a dramatic increase? Where, besides in your head?
It enhanced his powers, and made him develop a new one. The enhancement in power was not shown to be significant in any way that would render this feat completly unussable to normal Superman's capabilities - we're talking him having to become orders of magnitudes faster than normal in order to significantly diminish the impressivness of this feat.Or to put this into better terms. You don't think that it would be impossible for normal Superman to do, not that is factually impossible. Your opinion vs factual truth are not one in the same.
Now unless you're a complete and irreversible moron, I don't think you'd say that Superman had just become 10^x times faster.Could have been.
Wait, you're the one saying that he didn't actually use his speed, but he might aswell have used a city-building power he developed off-panel.I will admit that I forgot Bizarro pushed the asteroids together, but he was still able to create whole beings out of thin air some of whom had super powers, plus we still don't know how Bizarro made the cities. That's not just some run of the mill one superpower that is so limited it can not be used for other facets or do other things. It would be the same as saying someone gain Silver Surfer's matter manipulation ability. It may be only one developed power but it is a power you can do a hella lot with.Nevermind the questionable moronity.
Yes, it is a retarded thing. You might not see it because, well, you know. Bizarro created the planet by slamming asteroids together, and then he created the population using the Bizarro vision he developed under the blue sun. His version of the Superman-vision Clark did. The only extra-abilities they were shown developing. I could say I was surprised that you actually were that much of an idiot to say he didn't use his speed to build the city, but some ability you pulled out of your ass and said he developed off-panel, but I knew from every other discussions we've had that you're a qualified dense person; astonishingly enough, you're not the dumbest in this thread, as page 2 onwards shows, but still, it doesn't really say much. Maybe it's because of how rarely you post, but your dumb-to-post ratio is astonishing.
Which is why I'm going to stop, because this won't be anything else other than you saying dumb things, unsupported by anything actually shown on panel, and me having to respond in kind.
As for the rest of your argument... I've already acknowledged there are many different scenarios that could take palce. One is that yes he could have done this under normal speed, yes he could have used some matter manip ability as shown to be developed by his freakin give someone superman's powers vision, or he could have been a trillion times faster than normal. Just because you lean one way and I lean another does not make any other one less valid.
You know why because as soon as they said they did not know how his powers would increase or react under the blue sun they all became possibilities, and with no other on panel proof or statement to discredit them well that's that.
What I don't take kindly to is you calling me a moron simply because I believe that at the end of the day this statement should not be used as what normal Superman can do cause he wasn't under normal conditions. Regardless of what you believe that doesn't make it true.
As for being dense. I'm about as dense as anyone else on these forums I just tend to take different points of view whether they are popular ones or not doesn't mean anything to me, and I have on more than one occasion admitted when I was obviously wrong about something factual. If you look at my points when I first started vs now you;ll see I have changed many opinions on many different things.
But considering how most of this stuff is conceptual its hard to really say someone is wrong or not, and when both people understand this I have had many wonderful conversations with many different people with many different view points.
I don't generally do well with pompous people coming on here and acting like my view points are moronic considering their own ones are only as factually valid as my own.
Originally posted by Newjak
Let me state it another way, as soon as they said they did not know what new powers he would gain or how his abilities increased they left it open so that anything thereafter could be a minor or major increase. Just as as yes it did not state it was a dramatic increase it did not also state it was a minor one as well.Or to put this into better terms. You don't think that it would be impossible for normal Superman to do, not that is factually impossible. Your opinion vs factual truth are not one in the same.
Could have been.
I will admit that I forgot Bizarro pushed the asteroids together, but he was still able to create whole beings out of thin air some of whom had super powers, plus we still don't know how Bizarro made the cities. That's not just some run of the mill one superpower that is so limited it can not be used for other facets or do other things. It would be the same as saying someone gain Silver Surfer's matter manipulation ability. It may be only one developed power but it is a power you can do a hella lot with.
As for the rest of your argument... I've already acknowledged there are many different scenarios that could take palce. One is that yes he could have done this under normal speed, yes he could have used some matter manip ability as shown to be developed by his freakin give someone superman's powers vision, or he could have been a trillion times faster than normal. Just because you lean one way and I lean another does not make any other one less valid.
You know why because as soon as they said they did not know how his powers would increase or react under the blue sun they all became possibilities, and with no other on panel proof or statement to discredit them well that's that.
What I don't take kindly to is you calling me a moron simply because I believe that at the end of the day this statement should not be used as what normal Superman can do cause he wasn't under normal conditions. Regardless of what you believe that doesn't make it true.
As for being dense. I'm about as dense as anyone else on these forums I just tend to take different points of view whether they are popular ones or not doesn't mean anything to me, and I have on more than one occasion admitted when I was obviously wrong about something factual. If you look at my points when I first started vs now you;ll see I have changed many opinions on many different things.
But considering how most of this stuff is conceptual its hard to really say someone is wrong or not, and when both people understand this I have had many wonderful conversations with many different people with many different view points.
I don't generally do well with pompous people coming on here and acting like my view points are moronic considering their own ones are only as factually valid as my own.
Don't pay him any attention with the insults... its the way he debates.
By the way, I agree with this post.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI see you ignored my post proving you are bias and not thus not a reasonable debater.So him rebuilding a city is a now a h2h combat feat... Jesus :facepalm:
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My reply was:
Yet you tried to use Thanos blocking beams and swatting them away as evidence that he can defend against a Superman blitz. Caught you being a hypocrite didn't I?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Philo cracks me up..."It enhanced his powers, and made him develop a new one" Yet because it wasn't specifically stated to be a dramatic increase, the feat is still totally valid without circumstances? The answer is equivocably no it isn't without circumstances. If you're stated to be operating differently under a blue sun then a normal sun, and shown to even get extra powers.... Logic dictates you can never say with certainly he could pull off that feat under a normal yellow sun. I know Philo is desperate to have the feat stick, problem is, it doesn't come close to sticking because of the circumstances and increase in power.
The problem is that the writer didn't portray the rebuilding of a new city outside of Superman's original power set. It is all about what a writer is trying to portray. You nor anyone else can't add things that are not in the context of what the writer was trying to portray. Thus since the writer didn't portray the feat as a new power (Superman was already fast) then it isn't.
Writer's intentions trump all. And it is clear that the writer's intentions was that Superman rebuilding the city was a product of his original power set. We know this because before, while, and after the city was build it was no mention that he was able to do it because of special circumstances.
Originally posted by h1a8
I see you ignored my post proving you are bias and not thus not a reasonable debater.My reply was:
[b]Yet you tried to use Thanos blocking beams and swatting them away as evidence that he can defend against a Superman blitz. Caught you being a hypocrite didn't I?
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Come on h1 are you serious with this post or just acting dumb? Do I have to put out the very obvious reason it's not hypocritical? When Thanos did those feats IT WAS IN COMBAT SITUATIONS hence the relevance to speed and combat which the superman feat lacks when compared side by side.