Zeus vs 8th Day Juggernaut

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't. He didn't do anything that Thor or the Hulk wouldn't be capable of against the Exemplars. Like I've said in the past, his fight against Thor was an anomaly. Jurgens wrote him as significantly amped for some reason. It didn't mash with anything else as far as I can tell.

Oh, and tanking Thor's hits in no way proves he would be capable of doing so against Zeus. And I think he felt Thor's hits in the end there.

Furthermore, it's also probable that Thor was weaker than normal when 8th Day Juggy confronted him -- as he had just finished a battle with Enrakt moments before (in which he didn't fair well.)

Originally posted by Galan007
Agreed.

Furthermore, it's also probable that Thor was weaker than normal when 8th Day Juggy confronted him -- as he had just finished a battle with Enrakt moments before (in which he didn't fair well.)

There was nothing indicating that Thor weakened during that encounter.

^ You're right, it was never stated -- that's why I used the word "probable." I mean, Thor had been getting smacked around by Enrakt seconds before (literally) he started battling Juggy. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Agreed.

Furthermore, it's also probable that Thor was weaker than normal when 8th Day Juggy confronted him -- as he had just finished a battle with Enrakt moments before (in which he didn't fair well.)

Yea, it's a point I've brought up before. It's definitely possible. If it's one thing Jurgens' Thor had however, it was great stamina/endurance.

Originally posted by Galan007
Juggy as a character hasn't used a force-field in about 20 years. Thus it's not an ability he would just pull out of his ass here.
srsly

Actually he used it in a Marvel Icons Cyclops issue. But that did come out in '01. That may have been close to when Juggernaut was depowered though.

^ Just read the issue. Nice catch. 👆

But like you said, that mini was released in 2001, making it roughly 10 years old. So the question still stands: if an ability is only referenced once a decade, is that enough to maintain its position as part of a character's 'regular' powerset..? Not imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Just read the issue. Nice catch. 👆

But like you said, that mini was released in 2001, making it roughly 10 years old. So the question still stands: if an ability is only referenced once a decade, is that enough to maintain its position as part of a character's 'regular' powerset..? Not imo.

^ Or vibrate his body to save the omniverse. 😉

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor could do the same without a doubt.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor was was stalemating Cain in a contest of strength.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
...continued.

Juggernaut vs. Thor:

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Finally, Juggernauts FF slows down and stops Thors hammer:

8th Day Juggernaut with his FF up and his Durability wont go down as easy as Hulk went down, He will die fighting is in his nature to die fighting(tunderbolts) and Zeus will not hurt him as he did to hulk... 😎

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Just read the issue. Nice catch. 👆

But like you said, that mini was released in 2001, making it roughly 10 years old. So the question still stands: if an ability is only referenced once a decade, is that enough to maintain its position as part of a character's 'regular' powerset..? Not imo.

That's just the thing though. He was depowered in 2002, so his shield would no longer be there/referenced to in the past decade.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
That's just the thing though. He was depowered in 2002, so his shield would no longer be there/referenced to in the past decade.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
That's just the thing though. He was depowered in 2002, so his shield would no longer be there/referenced to in the past decade.

Juggernaut wins this BUT I just thought about something, juggernaut isn't immune to magic and zeus magical charged punches could take its toll. Zeus is also a superb fighter from what I seen of his fight with hulk so it might be kind of hard for Jugs to tag zeus.

I'm giving it to Jugernaut 6/10 and I wonder how hulk and zeus rematch went during the Surfer comic... they seemed pretty even from the little that I seen.

Originally posted by Galan007
...It was still only referenced once in the last 20 years. none

That Thor issue with their second fight, where Thor deactivated his shield, came out in 1991.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
That Thor issue with their second fight, where Thor deactivated his shield, came out in 1991.

But even if it had only been a 10 year hiatus (half the time it has really been) I still think it's somewhat wrong to still assume it a part of Juggy's 'standard' powerset. I mean, I've seen the fella use quite potent magics, and fire omnidirectional orb-like energy attacks once or twice in his career -- yet I wouldn't bring up those abilities as evidence in his defense, because they aren't abilities he's been shown to use consistently since.

Just MO, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
Right, I've mentioned that a few times now. It was seen/used in '91, then not mentioned again until '01 -- which equates to a 10 year gap of inactivity. And since '01 it hasn't been referenced again, despite the (albeit brief) moment(s) in which Juggy regained his 'full power' a few years ago (New Excalibur/WWH, I think it was?) -- which equates to another 10 year gap of inactivity.

But even if it had only been a 10 year hiatus (half the time it has really been) I still think it's still somewhat wrong to assume it as a part of Juggy's 'standard' powerset. I mean, I've seen the fella use quite potent magics, and fire omnidirectional orb-like energy attacks once or twice in his career -- yet I wouldn't bring up those abilities as evidence in his defense, because they aren't abilities he's been shown to use consistently since.

Just MO, though.

The force-field is almost, if not, always referenced in all of the handbooks that cover him.

But you seem to be looking at this as if he has had the same amount of appearances as other popular characters, like Hulk or Thor. He's had barely a handful of appearances between '91 and '01 that he actually was in a fight that lasted more than a few panels.

^ So do you also think the exotic magics/energy attacks he's used in the past should be included as part of his regular powerset?

There's nothing (I've seen) officially retconning said abilities, after all.

If you're talking about the abilities he used against Nightmare, Marko said he traded those for a way out of the dimension he was in I believe. I'll have to look it up to be sure.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
If you're talking about the abilities he used against Nightmare, Marko said he traded those for a way out of the dimension he was in I believe. I'll have to look it up to be sure.

Furthermore, would you agree that the many times Juggernaut has had his helmet removed (ie. Beast, Nimrod, etc.) or had the gem ripped from his being (Onslaught) that his FF was not up? If you agree, then why wasn't it in place? His FF seemed like an instantaneous activation when he was actually shown using it...

I believe that telepathy thing was a temporary thing as well. I do think he has some degree of speed. I don't know if I would call it super speed or not. Outside of the energy attacks he used against Nightmare, I don't think he's had others. Maybe the globules of energy thing would be it. While he didn't get that or the ability to, push/redirect energy/objects from another source, I wouldn't call on that in a vs. fight to give him favor over the other, or even use those abilities in any vs. thread.

As far as his force field being up in those situations, I'd say it definitely wasn't. He does have to willingly 'turn' the force field on though. As far as comic book explanations go, I'd say he wasn't thinking about using it in those situations. But it is more on the part of progressing the story and/or the writer not knowing about it. I think if it were indeed on, those stories would definitely have ended differently.