Originally posted by carver9...Yet he was also hurt by Conquest. ermmhappy
Why would 8th day need his force field when he fought and tanked attacks from someone who has damaged gods?
Srsly though, I really don't think a FF is a logical tactic for Juggy... Especially the 8th Day incarnation. It just isn't something that was in character for him to use, and he had impressive durability w/o it.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinWhether he had access to a FF during the 8th Day arc is moot. He simply did NOT use it.
Because, 8th Day Juggernaut is still Classic Juggernaut. The only difference is that his is under some kind of mind control the basically orders him to compete in the wager set up by the Octesense(sp?). Just because we didn't see him will his armor on during the 8th Day doesn't mean he does not have that ability. The shield is pretty much always mentioned as part of his powerset. So unlike those other obscure abilities, this one stays with him in some comics and almost all bios.
You can't argue for something that was not in character for him to use.
Originally posted by Galan007
...Yet he was also hurt by Conquest. ermmhappySrsly though, I really don't think a FF is a logical tactic for Juggy... Especially the 8th Day incarnation. It just isn't something that was in character for him to use, and he had impressive durability w/o it.
I'm not arguing for the forcefield because like you said, he doesn't need it. As for conquest... isn't he one of the more powerful exempler? Didn't their battle wreck a large island and was basically causing caterstrophic damage to the entire surroundings they were fighting in?
Originally posted by carver9At least there's one logical fella in the bunch. 😛
I'm not arguing for the forcefield
Originally posted by carver9
As for conquest... isn't he one of the more powerful exempler? Didn't their battle wreck a large island and was basically causing caterstrophic damage to the entire surroundings they were fighting in?
Don't think so. Conquest was the woman with enhanced fighting skills/speed/weaponry, and was able to hurt Juggy via pressure point attacks. Said attacks didn't cause any lasting damage, but the fact that she was able to hurt him in any way/shape/form is still very impressive, imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
Whether he had access to a FF during the 8th Day arc is moot. He simply did NOT use it.You can't argue for something that was not in character for him to use.
I had a little paragraph typed up, but checked back and noticed you removed the last part of this post.
This Juggernaut may have not needed his force field for the 8th Day arc, but I would say it was there for him to exploit. There were basically two sides to Cain in that arc. The one that one mind controlled that wrecked Thor, then the normal Cain at the end of that arc where Xavier helped him break free of that mind control. All in all this was within his normal powerset, and his shield is part of that power set.
Originally posted by Galan007
At least there's one logical fella in the bunch. 😛Don't think so. Conquest was the woman with enhanced fighting skills/speed/weaponry, and was able to hurt Juggy via pressure point attacks. Said attacks didn't cause any lasting damage, but the fact that she was able to hurt him in any way/shape/form is still very impressive, imo.
Gotcha... I just can't picture Zeus using pressure point attacks on Jugs though.
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Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinIyo. I could very easily say that it wasn't part of his powerset during that arc, and you would really have no way of making a good argument against me (as he never displayed that ability.)
I had a little paragraph typed up, but checked back and noticed you removed the last part of this post.This Juggernaut may have not needed his force field for the 8th Day arc, but I would say it was there for him to exploit. There were basically two sides to Cain in that arc. The one that one mind controlled that wrecked Thor, then the normal Cain at the end of that arc where Xavier helped him break free of that mind control. All in all this was within his normal powerset, and his shield is part of that power set.
Bottom line: even if 8th Day Juggy could have utilized a FF, he never did. Thus, saying it's something he could/would do here is digging pretty deep, imo.
Originally posted by carver9Olympian wrestling techniques, ftw. 😛
Gotcha... I just can't picture Zeus using pressure point attacks on Jugs though.😕
Originally posted by Galan007
Iyo. I could very easily say that it wasn't part of his powerset during that arc, and you would really have no way of making a good argument against me (as he never displayed that ability.)Bottom line: even if 8th Day Juggy could have utilized a FF, he never did. Thus, saying it's something he could/would do here is digging pretty deep, imo.
To each his own I guess. If Juggernaut has his shield during this fight, I'm going to say he can take Zeus in H2H. With the shield there is a far less of a chance Zeus could BFR him and even if Zeus could get past it, there is no way for him to get around his natural durability or healing factor. Juggs strength should be able to hurt him, even if not, he'll just draw on more power from the gem till it does.
Without the shield, I'd say Juggs has a very good chance of at least stalemating him. Zeus maybe able to grab a hold of him and throw him around and/or BFR him easier. But with infinite energies flowing through him, Zeus will never be able to tax his healing factor, IMO. That alone should keep him in the fight.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinThere's no BFR in this fight.
To each his own I guess. If Juggernaut has his shield during this fight, I'm going to say he can take Zeus in H2H. With the shield there is a far less of a chance Zeus could BFR him and even if Zeus could get past it, there is no way for him to get around his natural durability or healing factor. Juggs strength should be able to hurt him, even if not, he'll just draw on more power from the gem till it does.Without the shield, I'd say Juggs has a very good chance of at least stalemating him. Zeus maybe able to grab a hold of him and throw him around and/or BFR him easier. But with infinite energies flowing through him, Zeus will never be able to tax his healing factor, IMO. That alone should keep him in the fight.
If Juggy were able to use his FF, there is a very good chance he'd win... UNLESS Zeus was permitted to use his magics to negate the FF like Thor did.
W/o the FF (like it should be) I see it as a very good battle, with Zeus ultimately taking it. Zeus' effortless trouncing of current Hulk (arguably the most powerful incarnation yet) leads me to believe he would be superior to Stonecutter, who was giving 8th Day Juggy a good fight.
Originally posted by FanBoy101You referring to yourself in the 3rd person?
Troll... 😬
Originally posted by Galan007
W/o the FF (like it should be) I see it as a very good battle, with Zeus ultimately taking it. Zeus' effortless trouncing of current Hulk (arguably the most powerful incarnation yet) leads me to believe he would be superior to Stonecutter, who was giving 8th Day Juggy a good fight.
8th Day Juggernaut Durability to punches>>>>>>>any Hulk
Originally posted by Galan007No... 😠
You referring to yourself in the 3rd person?
Originally posted by FanBoy101
I Begg to differ Rage... 😮💨
Why?
Everything I said is spot on. Thor held his own in a contest of strength. Cain didn't gain the edge until Thor turned away. He was albeit winning in the end, but he should have stomped Thor, if his amp was even as half as potent as was claimed.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why?Everything I said is spot on. Thor held his own in a contest of strength. Cain didn't gain the edge until Thor turned away. He was albeit winning in the end, but he should have stomped Thor, if his amp was even as half as potent as was claimed.
let me quote a younger wiser Rage
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Clearly Juggernaut was amped and a lot more powerful during 8th Day. To say otherwise is stupid.
seems as you get older your eyesight gets blurry... 😆