Originally posted by Lord_Talron
the rules state that flash uses his full powerset from the get-go unless specified otherwise. dont make me quote the rules
Badabing wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 06:12 PM:
That's for you guys to debate. I won't referee threads unless I see someone who is dead wrong or flat out lying.
so its debateable... 😎
Originally posted by FanBoy101Hm, the scans of Stonecutter stalemating Juggy aren't there. Weird.
yes...
Originally posted by carver9You're probably referring to scans you've seen posted here from X-Men v2 #88, which is the immediate prelude issue to Uncanny X-Men #369 -- both of which deal exculsively with Trion Juggy. I can post scans if necessary.
I thought trion was the 80 ft tall version...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😂 Oh Carver, I like you, but just stop. You're talking about the Juggernaut when the dark side of the Trion entity possessed him which is a completely different event from the 8th Day thing. And the incarnation is overrated. Breaking through dimensional is something Thor could do.I'm pretty sure that did not happen. IIRC, he defeated like two or three by taking them on in a gauntlet fashion.
Galan?
Rage... I think you are cool as well but we just see things kind of different.
Trion had him during the entire 8th day arc... Juggernaut even admits this.
Originally posted by Galan007
Hm, the scans of Stonecutter stalemating Juggy aren't there. Weird.You're probably referring to scans you've seen posted here from X-Men v2 #88, which is the immediate prelude issue to Uncanny X-Men #369 -- both of which deal exculsively with Trion Juggy. I can post scans if necessary.
Naah, Trion had control that entire arc, juggernaut even admits the change during his beating on Thor.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I will post scans later. Don't go crazy on me rage, you know how you get those tempers sometimes (I am about to own you).
Oh, Carver, I told you to stop, why didn't you listen?
The entire fight:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut4.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut6.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut7.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut9.jpg
Jurgens must have a low opinion of Juggernaut or a high one of Thor in comparison to Cain strength wise. For a large increase in power, I wouldn't have said Juggernaut was much stronger than Thor. His durability looked better but strength wise? Meh.
Originally posted by Galan007
Around the same time, yes. However, Juggernaut 'cured' himself of the Trion madness during UXM #369 -- hence why he wasn't a few hundred feet tall when the 8th Day saga started months later.They are 2 completely different versions of the same character.
Ok... but don't you think his showing against Thor and the exemplers is proof enough that he could take Zeus in a fight. None of Thor hits even registered to the Juggernaut and Thor was even surprised at his hardest hits nor phasing him.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh, Carver, I told you to stop, why didn't you listen?The entire fight:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut4.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut6.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut7.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut9.jpgJurgens must have a low opinion of Juggernaut or a high one of Thor in comparison to Cain strength wise. For a large increase in power, I wouldn't have said Juggernaut was much stronger than Thor. His durability looked better but strength wise? Meh.
Whoever said that jugs had a large increase in strength?
Originally posted by carver9
Ok... but don't you think his showing against Thor and the exemplers is proof enough that he could take Zeus in a fight. None of Thor hits even registered to the Juggernaut and Thor was even surprised at his hardest hits nor phasing him.
I don't. He didn't do anything that Thor or the Hulk wouldn't be capable of against the Exemplars. Like I've said in the past, his fight against Thor was an anomaly. Jurgens wrote him as significantly amped for some reason. It didn't mash with anything else as far as I can tell.
Oh, and tanking Thor's hits in no way proves he would be capable of doing so against Zeus. And I think he felt Thor's hits in the end there.
Originally posted by carver9
Whoever said that jugs had a large increase in strength?
😬 I'd have assumed he was amped across the entire board. Thor outright said his might was increased a hundred fold. If that's how an amped Juggernaut fares against Thor, you'd better hope the classic Juggernaut never faces off against Thor under Jurgens.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't. He didn't do anything that Thor or the Hulk wouldn't be capable of against the Exemplars. Like I've said in the past, his fight against Thor was an anomaly. Jurgens wrote him as significantly amped for some reason. It didn't mash with anything else as far as I can tell.😬 I'd have assumed he was amped across the entire board. Thor outright said his might was increased a hundred fold. If that's how an amped Juggernaut fares against Thor, you'd better hope the classic Juggernaut never faces off against Thor under Jurgens.
😕
Thor got treated like a step child in that fight.
We don't know how much he was amped though. His classic version treated Thor the same way.
Originally posted by carver9
😕Thor got treated like a step child in that fight.
We don't know how much he was amped though. His classic version treated Thor the same way.
No he didn't. The closest that came to happening was when he swung Thor and punched him in the face which didn't do anything. And that was only because Thor was distracted. Prior to that, he was stalemating Cain in a contest of strength.
Noticeably apparently, which I find weird. Please don't start.
Originally posted by FanBoy101
so its debateable... 😎
Originally posted by digi
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No he didn't. The closest that came to happening was when he swung Thor and punched him in the face which didn't do anything. And that was only because Thor was distracted. Prior to that, he was stalemating Cain in a contest of strength.Noticeably apparently, which I find weird. Please don't start.
Lol... I'm not trying to start with you rage.
As for your comments... well, its Thor... he is a natural beast. No matter how much stronger someone is over Thor, he is going to hold his own. Look at his mangog fights.
