X-23 vs Beast

Originally posted by inimalist
that actually proves my point

you use larger guys to practice on because they are a challenge

I'd also suspect sparring doesn't well represent a real fight

these werent sparring matches these are actual fights, because in the military we dont discriminate in match set-ups. u can challenge whoever, and men tend to take it hard losing to a woman. But if your referring to a match where people are seeking to maim or kill then i suppose your right to a degree, but ive yet to see a man thats pound for pound my equal

Originally posted by inimalist
I was under the assumption that the proper application of military MAs ended up with broken bones and physically incapacitated opponents

like, its like Krav Maga, not really a "sparring" style, because you can't use it effectively if you aren't trying to injure your opponent? or am i wrong?

I'd like to point out that inimalist has been correct on every single point he's made thus far.

In the real world, size is a sizable(pun intended) advantage.

As for the forum match, I actually do believe Beast is capable of breaking Laura's bones; however, I do not believe it will matter much.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
but ive yet to see a man thats pound for pound my equal

this is my point though

I'm saying, pound for pound, sure, a trained fighter is better than a powerhouse.

When the pounds are so disproportionate that one is peak human while the other is 5-10 times that, being a better fighter isn't as applicable. sure, you have a chance, but at 2-5 tons, a glancing blow will potentially break bones

Originally posted by Sin I AM
these werent sparring matches these are actual fights, because in the military we dont discriminate in match set-ups. u can challenge whoever, and men tend to take it hard losing to a woman. But if your referring to a match where people are seeking to maim or kill then i suppose your right to a degree, but ive yet to see a man thats pound for pound my equal

Originally posted by King Castle

real fighter would be more effective then your MMA cage fighters

Originally posted by inimalist
I was under the assumption that the proper application of military MAs ended up with broken bones and physically incapacitated opponents

like, its like Krav Maga, not really a "sparring" style, because you can't use it effectively if you aren't trying to injure your opponent? or am i wrong?

it has a few of everything. i use to be a TKD instructor with some minor korean kick boxing and jeet kune do plus my american high school wrestling..

a lot of what was taught in MCMAP overlapped what i already knew and taught as an instructor from TKD black belt grappling techniques, Wrestling Maneuvers and kicks.. plus they threw in some knife fighting which was completely different from what i was taught in MA civy.

too be honest i wasnt a fan of MCMAP in the service or at least in the training method.

you have a bunch of kids and you tell them look this is how you grapple, arm and leg break now you try.

10 seconds later you hear a snap of bone b/c they were never taught self control and are a bunch of hormonally aggressive kids who dont apply slow steady pressure and in real world MA they would never would have been taught any of that in their 1st yr of training let alone 1st ten minutes of arrival.. majority of them would have bn refused training the minute they asked them why.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I'd like to point out that inimalist has been correct on every single point he's made thus far.

In the real world, size is a sizable(pun intended) advantage.

As for the forum match, I actually do believe Beast is capable of breaking Laura's bones; however, I do not believe it will matter much.

Originally posted by iceman24567
You must be godly then and despite what you think men do tend to hold back when sparring with the female gender

not when titles are on the line, but i understand your bias

Originally posted by King Castle
Marine MCMAP is a mixture of various grappling styles using what is effective for maiming, joint, manipulation, kill blows.. etc etc..

it has a few of everything. i use to be a TKD instructor with some minor korean kick boxing and jeet kune do plus my american high school wrestling..

a lot of what was taught in MCMAP overlapped what i already knew and taught as an instructor from TKD black belt grappling techniques, Wrestling Maneuvers and kicks.. plus they threw in some knife fighting which was completely different from what i was taught in MA civy.

too be honest i wasnt a fan of MCMAP in the service or at least in the training method.

you have a bunch of kids and you tell them look this is how you grapple, arm and leg break now you try.

10 seconds later you hear a snap of bone b/c they were never taught self control and are a bunch of hormonally aggressive kids who dont apply slow steady pressure and in real world MA they would never would have been taught any of that in their 1st yr of training let alone 1st ten minutes of arrival.. majority of them would have bn refused training the minute they asked them why.

your were in the corps KC? where were u stationed, and what belt did u hold?

Originally posted by King Castle
Marine MCMAP is a mixture of various grappling styles using what is effective for maiming, joint, manipulation, kill blows.. etc etc..

it has a few of everything. i use to be a TKD instructor with some minor korean kick boxing and jeet kune do plus my american high school wrestling..

a lot of what was taught in MCMAP overlapped what i already knew and taught as an instructor from TKD black belt grappling techniques, Wrestling Maneuvers and kicks.. plus they through in some knife fighting which was completely different from what i was taught in MA civy.

too be honest i wasnt a fan of MCMAP in the service or at least in the training method.

you have a bunch of kids and you tell them look this is how you grapple, arm and leg break now you try.

10 seconds later you hear a snap of bone b/c they were never taught self control and are a bunch of hormonally aggressive kids who dont apply slow steady pressure and in real world MA they would never would have been taught any of that in their 1st yr of training let alone 1st ten minutes of arrival.. majority of them would have bn refused training the minute they asked them why.

thats sort of what I thought

like, if you and I were to spar, aside from how much of a joke it would be, you would actually have to try harder not to break my bones using the techniques, yes?

and ya, I do have much respect for MAs, its the mental state they teach that is awesome

If I gave you superhuman attributes, lets say 2-5 ton range...and i had only olympic level attributes, but i was an accomplished MAer...id whoop your ass, simply because im more skilled...its really common sense

if you were fighting a guy that strong in real life he'd snap your bones easily

no matter your training...all you could try to do is choke them somehow which wouldn't work because he'd overpower you in every position 😆 😆 😆 THATS COMMON SENSE

There was an issue of Punisher Max were Frank was fighting some little Korean dude. The narration is going on about how skilled and deadly the guy is, and the it says "but it doesn't matter if you are the most skilled fighter in the world when you opponent is 6'2 and 220lbs," and then Frank just effortless rails him.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There was an issue of Punisher Max were Frank was fighting some little Korean dude. The narration is going on about how skilled and deadly the guy is, and the it says "but it doesn't matter if you are the most skilled fighter in the world when you opponent is 6'2 and 220lbs," and then Frank just effortless rails him.

the one where he picks the guy up by the leg and smashes him off of stuff?

Originally posted by inimalist
the one where he picks the guy up by the leg and smashes him off of stuff?

Yeah lol

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There was an issue of Punisher Max were Frank was fighting some little Korean dude. The narration is going on about how skilled and deadly the guy is, and the it says "but it doesn't matter if you are the most skilled fighter in the world when you opponent is 6'2 and 220lbs," and then Frank just effortless rails him.

thats b.s.....but im a strong believer in applied fighting, strength does not always equal success..but alas its only an opinion, and at the end of the day Beast will still lose

Originally posted by iceman24567
Even in the real world it depends on the indivisuals fighting

Even Georges St. Pierre admits that Anderson Silva's size advantage is a massive obstacle to overcome were they to ever fight.

Originally posted by StyleTime
With improvised weapons, yes. In strictly hand to hand, no they aren't.

these fighters train to ko opponents not kill it is a sport however bloody it may appear to you these men are not the strongest nor the meanest brutalist SOB's on the planet they are just the ones that manage to get into a televised sport.

a "real fighter" will not attempt to trade blows every move is to kill and maim and the small number of men in MMA sport only number in a few hundred at most a killer a fighter who fights and is trained militarily in whatever branch and nation number in the millions and i guarantee these men who have fought for life and death in unarmed combat would murder those sportman a hundred time over not just b/c of the number but overall mindset and it will not always be some one of equal height nor weight as the MMA sportman.

i mean do you think the best MMA champion can defeat every Marine grunt, gym Rat, MCMAP instructor in an all out fight i dare say there are thousands that would make short work of the current champion if push came to shove

There is a reason there are weight classes in all organized fighting, it's because being 60-80 pounds on someone is a nearly insurmountable handicap regardless of the aggregate skill of the fighters. Even a two inch reach advantage is massive edge in a fight.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There is a reason there are weight classes in all organized fighting, it's because being 60-80 pounds on someone is a nearly insurmountable handicap regardless of the aggregate skill of the fighters. Even a two inch reach advantage is massive edge in a fight.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
thats b.s.....but im a strong believer in applied fighting, strength does not always equal success..

I don't think anyone was disagreeing with that, and maybe I was overstating the 120 pound girl vs 250 pound guy (though I still think odds would be on the man's side), that isn't the same as a comparison between an olympic level athlete and a 2-5 tonner. It would be arguable if the hardest blows from the olympian would have any effect on the larger combatant, and without doubt, the olymipan would be unable to sweep this guy off his feet or control their momentum. Further, the force of any blow landed by the larger would demolish the olympian in a way that a 250 pound person couldn't do to a toddler.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yeah lol

great issue 🙂 (actually, pretty good arc too)