X-23 vs Beast

Originally posted by King Castle
no. in MMA fighters are only a small number of ppl in the sport who train using MMA method which in themselves are not fully accredited nor properly instructed on. they use size and strength and what little they can steal from various styles not being fully knowledgeable in the mechanics or principle of the style.

these fighters train to ko opponents not kill it is a sport however bloody it may appear to you these men are not the strongest nor the meanest brutalist SOB's on the planet they are just the ones that manage to get into a televised sport.

a "real fighter" will not attempt to trade blows every move is to kill and maim and the small number of men in MMA sport only number in a few hundred at most a killer a fighter who fights and is trained militarily in whatever branch and nation number in the millions and i guarantee these men who have fought for life and death in unarmed combat would murder those sportman a hundred time over not just b/c of the number but overall mindset and it will not always be some one of equal height nor weight as the MMA sportman.

i mean do you think the best MMA champion can defeat every Marine grunt, gym Rat, MCMAP instructor in an all out fight i dare say there are thousands that would make short work of the current champion if push came to shove

You don't have to be mean to be a fighter. Most are actually nice people.

They "trade blows" because they are equal in skill. When you see a superior fighter, like Anderson Silva, the matches are over pretty quickly when he gets serious.

Yes, I do. These guys train against the best to be the best in hand to hand. This fabled "kill trigger" is literally a matter of just....holding your choke those extra few seconds. It's not some industry secret that only the military knows.

Originally posted by StyleTime
The larger fighter doesn't always win of course, but size(and strength) is probably the best advantage to have over your opponent where physical attributes are concerned.

Even Georges St. Pierre admits that Anderson Silva's size advantage is a massive obstacle to overcome were they to ever fight.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
not when titles are on the line, but i understand your bias

your were in the corps KC? where were u stationed, and what belt did u hold?

i told you, i was leaving the service then you told me your Marine stuff. Ms. i like to abuse my recruits.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There is a reason there are weight classes in all organized fighting, it's because being 60-80 pounds on someone is a nearly insurmountable handicap regardless of the aggregate skill of the fighters. Even a two inch reach advantage is massive edge in a fight.

it is actually specifically made that way which is why Sin I AM could fight larger guys then herself. hell, i fought an overgrown Gym Rat and choked him out. plus Bull fighting which is you keep fighting with individual marines till you get taken down...

i took down the big dude who had me beat by a foot and easily 50 lbs and two others after. 😎

Originally posted by Sin I AM
not when titles are on the line, but i understand your bias

your were in the corps KC? where were u stationed, and what belt did u hold?

Originally posted by StyleTime
That's false. While there are fighers who began training in "MMA" from day one, the majority come from the some other background. They aren't just practiced brawlers.

You don't have to be mean to be a fighter. Most are actually nice people.

They "trade blows" because they are equal in skill. When you see a superior fighter, like Anderson Silva, the matches are over pretty quickly when he gets serious.

Yes, I do. These guys train against the best to be the best in hand to hand. This fabled "kill trigger" is literally a matter of just....holding your choke those extra few seconds. It's not some industry secret that only the military knows.

I don't know, I think he is right. UFC and Pride fighters are athletes, they are competing in sporting events with rules and regulations. Their training is specifically designed to allow them to flourish with in the confines of those rules. I don't think many of them would have nearly as much success outside of those parameters in a fight for their life against military men trained to kill.

Originally posted by King Castle
no. in MMA fighters are only a small number of ppl in the sport who train using MMA method which in themselves are not fully accredited nor properly instructed on. they use size and strength and what little they can steal from various styles not being fully knowledgeable in the mechanics or principle of the style.

these fighters train to ko opponents not kill it is a sport however bloody it may appear to you these men are not the strongest nor the meanest brutalist SOB's on the planet they are just the ones that manage to get into a televised sport.

a "real fighter" will not attempt to trade blows every move is to kill and maim and the small number of men in MMA sport only number in a few hundred at most a killer a fighter who fights and is trained militarily in whatever branch and nation number in the millions and i guarantee these men who have fought for life and death in unarmed combat would murder those sportman a hundred time over not just b/c of the number but overall mindset and it will not always be some one of equal height nor weight as the MMA sportman.

i mean do you think the best MMA champion can defeat every Marine grunt, gym Rat, MCMAP instructor in an all out fight i dare say there are thousands that would make short work of the current champion if push came to shove

When my buddy Zach got back from Iraq from the marines he started training at my gym. In practice, during sparring I would completely dominate his ass.

Several weeks later he got attacked by knife point on the street and stomped the guys leg in half without so much as taking a scratch.

I would NOT want to get into a real/no rules fight with my buddy. He's trained/conditioned/and hardwired to kill, maim, and otherwise destroy. I'm more or less just an athlete trained to trade.

Originally posted by StyleTime
That's false. While there are fighers who began training in "MMA" from day one, the majority come from the some other background. They aren't just practiced brawlers.

You don't have to be mean to be a fighter. Most are actually nice people.

They "trade blows" because they are equal in skill. When you see a superior fighter, like Anderson Silva, the matches are over pretty quickly when he gets serious.

Yes, I do. These guys train against the best to be the best in hand to hand. This fabled "kill trigger" is literally a matter of just....holding your choke those extra few seconds. It's not some industry secret that only the military knows.

hell, if the MMA fighters knew what the f$@# they were doing they would be able to break an arm the minute the other tried to chock them while sitting on them which i dont see happening all the time in UFC. a well place strike full strength slightly above the fully extended elbow would break the arm regardless of the other fighters strength and muscle ending the fight. and there is no rule against certain moves b/c you see these fighters using rabbet like strikes to weaken the arm without even thinking of just breaking it which leaves one to believe that they dont possess the actual combat mindset

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't know, I think he is right. UFC and Pride fighters are athletes, they are competing in sporting events with rules and regulations. Their training is specifically designed to allow them to flourish with in the confines of those rules. I don't think many of them would have nearly as much success outside of those parameters in a fight for their life against military men trained to kill.

LMAO interesting stories here 😱

Originally posted by Sin I AM

your were in the corps KC? where were u stationed, and what belt did u hold?

yes. i was station in Camp Pendleton, 43 area los pulgas. i was a green belt assistant instructor in MCMAP.

in my civilian MA i was a 1st degree blk belt in TKD started at 14 or so.. was an instructor at 16 and continued training and teaching till i was 22. never went higher b/c frankly i didnt care enough, i simply did it to teach the kids and taught adults in self defense mostly women.

I think this thread is full of people who could beat me up... 😮

Luckily I look intimidating so no one ever messes with me! Plus I can run really fast! Hurray! 😄

Originally posted by iceman24567
True for the most part but bigger muscles or a bigger body can be a dissadvantage too size does matter though 😱

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't know, I think he is right. UFC and Pride fighters are athletes, they are competing in sporting events with rules and regulations. Their training is specifically designed to allow them to flourish with in the confines of those rules. I don't think many of them would have nearly as much success outside of those parameters in a fight for their life against military men trained to kill.

For example, I don't see your typical military guy taking Anderson Silva. Head movement + KTFO punch works just as well in any unarmed setting. Brock Lesnar, as terrible as he is, could probably smash a fair percentage of military combatants I'd imagine. This stuff is starting to sound reminiscent of the whole "too deadly for sports" argument that the "traditional" martial artists used during the rise of MMA. I know that's not what you're saying, but it operates on a similar mystique about a certain group.

Keep in mind, I'm not just talking about Pride/UFC here either.

Originally posted by King Castle
1st off if they were as skilled as you think they be able to kill some one with the 1st blow or ko them regardless of strength and how equally skilled they may the minute they get an opening. problem is many dont know how and using a choking method actually makes my point there are vastly more ways to take and kill your opponent foolish enough to tackle, wrestle with a trained killer.

hell, if the MMA fighters knew what the f$@# they were doing they would be able to break an arm the minute the other tried to chock them while sitting on them which i dont see happening all the time in UFC. a well place strike full strength slightly above the fully extended elbow would break the arm regardless of the other fighters strength and muscle ending the fight. and there is no rule against certain moves b/c you see these fighters using rabbet like strikes to weaken the arm without even thinking of just breaking it which leaves one to believe that they dont possess the actual combat mindset

If you're getting choked, you likely not in a position to break the other guy's arm with a strike.

The top guys are able to defeat other top guys that train 8-12 hours daily to defeat other top guys. Calling them unskilled is just incorrect.

I don't think most marines could beat UFC fighters in the ring.

Get back on topic or the thread gets closed and warnings will be given.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I don't think most marines could beat UFC fighters in the ring.

Obviously, their entire training is pretty much a print out of illegal moves...

Originally posted by Badabing
Get back on topic or the thread gets closed and warnings will be given.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Obviously, their entire training is pretty much a print out of illegal moves...

Originally posted by Badabing
Yep, you get a warning.

Seriously? For a post that was posted the very same minute yours was? Obviously I started writing it before your post went live... but whatever. Next time I'll use clairvoyance.

X-23 wins. Beast is beastly(LOLIAMHILARIOUS), but X-23's powerset and skills are too large of an advantage in this fight.

Edit: I am pretty sure he is joking srank.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Seriously? For a post that was posted the very same minute yours was? Obviously I started writing it before your post went live... but whatever. Next time I'll use clairvoyance.

Anyone else?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There was an issue of Punisher Max were Frank was fighting some little Korean dude. The narration is going on about how skilled and deadly the guy is, and the it says "but it doesn't matter if you are the most skilled fighter in the world when you opponent is 6'2 and 220lbs," and then Frank just effortless rails him.