Originally posted by RE: Blaxicanerrm... ive only said why a dozen times... 1. she didn't immobilize him (Levitate him far out of his claws reach)
How do you know she didn't want to?
she clearly could have killed wolverine... but just didn't 😬
Placidity: I apologize for being douchy about my opinion. I could have been nicer about it, but I had just gotten with that argument a couple of weeks back, with another, and really did not want to go through it again. I ended up doing it, anyway, after too many "back and forths" between you and I.
That said, here's my opinion on the events in X-3:
I think that saying Jean was holding back not to hurt Logan so he could kill her misses the very essence and importance of that scene. That scene was to show that Xavier was right: she will destroy everything, including herself. It was "foreshadowing" told to us earlier in the film. She DID lose control as he (Xavier) had feared and she could not "revert" to a more controlled state: she was stuck in the "plasma" mode. She was, at that point, begging to have her life ended as she realized that Xavier was right, the whole time: she was completely out of control and could not stop herself. It was the the best writing in the movie, by far, and was rather out of place for the mostly superficial writing that occurred. I think that those that say Jean was holding back so Wolverine could kill her, really miss the best writing in the film. The point was for her to not be in control at all and to have gone to the point of no return, thus proving the foreshadowing right by Xavier and putting her in the position of having to chose only death as a release to her state. The only person that could deliver that was Wolverine: the only one with a fast healing factor AND an adamantium skeleton. What made that moment in film more powerful was his love for Jean. Even Logan's "Jean" fanboyism could not be overcome for his realization of responsibility.
Again, this is my opinion on what occurred and not fact.
Originally posted by Placidity
LOL, Xavier resisting disintegration? Good one.
I consider "stay out of my head" Xavier resisting considering he put mental blocks up to limit her, before.
Originally posted by Placidity
She wasn't straining.
I consider gritting her teeth and acting like a savage as straining.
Originally posted by Placidity
Clearly not full power.
I agree: that was my botched attempt at sarcasm. It was supposed to read like this:
"That was her full power...yet smaller than it was out in the open."
But, as Imp. pointed out, we should move on from that type of dialogue. I just wanted to point out that I agree that it's not her full power, but that she had to strain against Xavier's own mental powers.
Originally posted by Placidity
"Stay out of my head" was Jean Grey. Black Eyes and Ass-kicking was Dark Phoenix. He wasn't doing shit after Phoenix surfaced.
I disagree: she became Dark Phoenix after she woke up. Very erratic and very polar from second to second. That's the unstable version Xavier tried to "contain" when she was a kid and when she was an adult.
Originally posted by Placidity
I take it you concede then, given the weak and brief counter-arguments, and how you failed to address the point where Wolverine's suit was still there after a few waves of her attack, which according to you is full power despite it clearly wasn't on-screen?
No. But, if you'd like, we can agree to disagree. I think that's best.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
But was the 1st appearance of the Terminator meant to be comedy?
There was certainly some comedy elements to it. Additionally, no clothes were removed or "blown off", which makes it an apples to oranges comparison. I would say that your Fantastic 4 comparison is a much better one because it involved the removal of clothes.
Originally posted by steverules_2
She didn't levitate everyone, she only levitated Xavier when she turned him into dust
That's a good point. Like Blaxican pointed out: it neither proves nor disproves anything about the nature of the encounter.
Originally posted by Placidity
Depends how you disagree really. Want to disagree yet not counter my points or provide evidence for yourself then yea, thats trolling, or more commonly known now as 'pulling a DDM'.
I will gladly take that label as it's almost deserved. But, I've posted on that DP-Wolverine encounter, before, so it's not as though I was avoiding evidence. Meaning, I'm not a COMPLETE douche. 😉 😄
Originally posted by Placidity
More than likely I think, since Comics Cap can do all sorts of shit with his shield. Pretty much throw it anywhere, it will bounce off 10 enemy targets and return to him.You know if they show Cap using the shield to cut something off, he may have an argument since according to Origins, his shield should be able to cut through Wolverine. Thats if you wanted to make a case for Cap and ignore how Origins is full of crap.
Well, can the Captain throw it with enough force? I thought the bullets worked because of their shape, size, and velocity. Obviously, the adamantium bounced off of itself and we see that when Logan smacks them together in the bathroom.
I'd say the Cap would have to throw the shield really really hard. And because the shield has a much larger surface area, on it's edge, when thrown, he'll have to throw it faster than the bullet...but it does carry more momentum with it. Well...maybe not, then. PENETRATION BALLISTICS! EFF U! RAWR! I dunno, really.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
she could have easily done this to wolverine but didn't want to
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well the issue in Terminator with the no clothes thing is linked to the "why no ray guns?" thing.
The story was that 'nothing non organic and/or not wrapped in living tissue could go through'...('Til they went and f**ked that up in T2 with the advent of the T-1000 travelling these same means.)
The poly-mimetic alloy was supposed to bypass that justification by being able to mimic every trait of flesh except for it's actual molecular make-up (I don't know if "temperature" counts, but it was supposed to "Feel" like flesh). This is why he came back in his "fleshy" form and not the liquid metallic looking form. The same holds true for T-X.
But, to me, that's justifying a silly rule specifically created for a plot device: no bringing weapons back so we can have a damn story, dammit! 😠
lol
Originally posted by steverules_2
I don't get how this thread has gone from cap vs wolverine to the strength of Jeans powers on wolverine and Terminator 2 😬
It started with a claim that the thread conditions do not present any way for Wolverine to be killed by Captain America.
It was catalyzed with this post:
Originally posted by dadudemon
From what we've seen, Wolverine cannot be killed by anything short of a catastrophic event that vastly eclipses Dark Phoenix' rape.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
lol, I remember this thread.You're a jerk Placidity.
I just went back and read pages 2, 3, and 4. Holy crap, that was annoying to read.
Also, I thought about it and I still don't think the Cap. can throw his shield hard enough to decap. James.
We'll have to wait and see. If Cap throws his shield strong enough to take of limbs, I'll concede that point.
He was right though, Jean's personality surfaced and held back DP's full fury long enough for Wolverine to get in and stab her. She wanted to die, she said so. He was the only one that could have done it though with the exception of maybe Colossus, no one else could have withstood the restrained attacks DP was still unleashing.
If DP had been in full control, every cell of Wolverines flesh could/would have instantly been turned to ash like every other mutant.
Originally posted by RobtardSo if she had remained DP and DP wanted to kill Wolvie, she would have been able to destroy his adamantium?
He was right though, Jean's personality surfaced and held back DP's full fury long enough for Wolverine to get in and stab her. She wanted to die, she said so. He was the only one that could have done it though with the exception of maybe Colossus, no one else could have withstood the restrained attacks DP was still unleashing.If DP had been in full control, every cell of Wolverines flesh could/would have instantly been turned to ash like every other mutant.