Twilight vs. Hancock

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's a forum rule that if someone can only survive a forum battle by running away then they obviously lose actually.

No it's not. That may be true in other forums, but not here. The thread starter has to specify. Go check out the rules.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Which is what you're scripting here.

Not I'm not.

What was scripted is Hancock leaving, and coming back at hypersonic speeds so he can net a victory. That completely ignores the vampires being able to avoid him, completely, by going underground. When he passes, they can go anywhere they want. This was supposed to be a spite thread but turned out to be another thread that gets turned on it's head: the thread is, at best, a stale-mate: Hancock cannot kill some of the vampires.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Though I'm curious as to what going underground will do to help them win. At least it'll stop the gayass sparkles.

To avoid Hancock flying at them at really fast speeds, obviously. He's not telepathic and he does not have, from what I can remember, ultra-senses. He's just a very durable, very strong character with the ability to fly.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I also don't see them surviving a speed-blitz.

Nor do I.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
When Alec and Renata do anything this might be a fairer fight. As it stands, Twilight has Jane and to lesser extents, Alice and Jasper. Handcock will kill the rest of them.

Then again he can't technically burn them can he?

Fair enough, but isn't that just post-poning the thread's results?

There's several threads I can revive with twivamps in them, after Breaking Dawn comes out.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He doesn't need to. He can just throw them into orbit (after incapacitating them if need be).

They do not need to breath. He'd be better off ripping them apart if he can get his hands on them.

No it's not. That may be true in other forums, but not here. The thread starter has to specify. Go check out the rules.

My understanding was the the BFR rules applied throughout KMC. Impediment himself advocated for its use in one of the Harry Potter threads (where a wizard could only survive by apparating away).

Not I'm not.

What was scripted is Hancock leaving, and coming back at hypersonic speeds so he can net a victory.

Why does he have to leave exactly? Any scenes which imply he needs significant time to accelerate in the movie?

That completely ignores the vampires being able to avoid him, completely, by going underground.

How fast do you think they can dig? What makes you think they can dig huge holes before he just blitzes them? 😬 If need be he can just plow into the holes and tear them to pieces in there.

When he passes, they can go anywhere they want.

And Hancock, being retarded, will not notice the giant mole-hillsin the middle of the huge open field, right?

Hancock cannot kill some of the vampires.

How so?

To avoid Hancock flying at them at really fast speeds, obviously. He's not telepathic and he does not have, from what I can remember, ultra-senses. He's just a very durable, very strong character with the ability to fly.

That still doesn't explain how they win. They have no way to hurt him, whereas all he needs to do is follow them into these tunnels they pulled out of hammerspace.

They do not need to breath. He'd be better off ripping them apart if he can get his hands on them.

He will still have won the fight since they can't do shit in a vacuum, but if you really want to be pedantic about it then he punts them back to earth and they burn up in re-entry. Or they starve from lack of blood. Twivamps still need blood right, Meyer didn't butcher that too did she?

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Originally posted by Nephthys
My understanding was the the BFR rules applied throughout KMC. Impediment himself advocated for its use in one of the Harry Potter threads (where a wizard could only survive by apparating away).

It's not an official rule in the MVF. Unless ruled by Imp. as applicable or if the thread starter indicates, it doesn't apply.

In this case, moving 25-100 feet is not BFR, at all, especially for really fast characters like Twivamps and Hancock.

And, out of ring for the Wizards was not really BFR: it's gimping them to try and net a win. However, the Wizards do NOT need to teleport all the way around the world, which is why Imp ruled that as BFRing. They only need to apparate out of sight.

There's a such thing as a tactical retreat in war. It could be trap, it could be to avoid a specific attack. It could be to actually attack the other person. All of those equally apply in this thread.

But how is Hancock needing to fly out several miles so he can reach hypersonic speeds, not BFRing? Isn't that an asymmetric application of rules?

Granted, I would like to see the Twivamps lose if they can, I prefer logic and reason to prevail as the reason. There's really no Twivamp fanboys in the MVF, which is good. I do not know of anyone that ever supported the Twivamps in unreasonable fashions.

In this thread, I have indicated that there's no way they can defeat Hancock and the result is most likely a stalemate because he cannot kill them all.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why does he have to leave exactly? Any scenes which imply he needs significant time to accelerate in the movie?

Well, actually, I think you would need to provide a scene in which he instantly accelerates to hypersonic speeds.

Or at least accomplishes it in less than 2 seconds.

He can't do it instantly because that requires an infinite amount of energy. There will be an acceleration period.

Additionally, he was never shown speed blitzing from dozens of feet away by going into hypersonic fighting speedy mode. lol

Originally posted by Nephthys
How fast do you think they can dig? What makes you think they can dig huge holes before he just blitzes them? 😬 If need be he can just plow into the holes and tear them to pieces in there.

Since they are all well past the 100-ton class of marvel's measures, and they all are superhuman in speed especially through short areas, they could probably dig anywhere from 10-50 feet in one second.

Additionally, digging with their bare hands was my original intentions. I imagined Alice seeing the fight well-before it happens, tells the coven, and they prepare far in advance.

If that is not allowed then it's obviously a Gimp as very few movie characters can claim to have such complete precog as Alice. Alice's precog enables her to predict, the moment a decision is made, what will happen.

In other words, they started preparing before the thread was even typed. 😆

Anyway, how can Hancock see them going at that speed when he was never shown doing that? He can't. In fact, he has almost human reaction times: he can barely be considered superhuman in reaction time. Watch his fight with Theron, again: normal reaction times are seen from both. Sure, they can fly fast, but that's not the ability to move very very quickly and use the slowed down time perspective to react that fast, like The Flash.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And Hancock, being retarded, will not notice the giant mole-hillsin the middle of the huge open field, right?

Well, since he's drunk, yeah, he'll be retarded. 😛

Originally posted by Nephthys
How so?

I've explained that already.

Just to recap: Aro and Renata escape rape, always.

Alec is never touched.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That still doesn't explain how they win.

You kidding me? THEY CAN'T WIN! There is NO WAY THE VAMPIRES CAN WIN EVER!

If you think I'm making that up, go back and read my posts in the thread. I NEVER thought they could win. This is obviously a spit thread.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They have no way to hurt him, whereas all he needs to do is follow them into these tunnels they pulled out of hammerspace.

Nah. They can easily cover their tracks and make it impossible to find them in the holes. Since he does not have ESP, it would be like you or I trying to find them...without the strength.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He will still have won the fight since they can't do shit in a vacuum, but if you really want to be pedantic about it then he punts them back to earth and they burn up in re-entry. Or they starve from lack of blood. Twivamps still need blood right, Meyer didn't butcher that too did she?

Well, I COULD say the Benjamin spontaneously combusts Hancock because he's ...you know...like the Avatar.

There's also the problem of him not ever being able to touch them. He's not fast enough. I've explained that, already, as well.

Hancock cannot kill all of the twivamps, so he can never win but the Twivamps CAN NEVER KILLER HIM so they don't win, either. At best, it's a war of attrition with the few vampires left alive.

I don't see this thread with a winner, but the Twivamps literally can never win.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nice.

Multiple tabs effed my whole system up. 🙁

So I decided to edit and have my period THRICE! 😄

Originally posted by dadudemon
Fair enough, but isn't that just post-poning the thread's results?

There's several threads I can revive with twivamps in them, after Breaking Dawn comes out.

Not at the moment. Since people who've only watched the movies are unfamiliar with Alec's ability, along with any other unseen ones so far, it doesn't matter. Movies need to have the feats and at the moment they don't.

Originally posted by dadudemon

In this thread, I have indicated that there's no way they can defeat Hancock and the result is most likely a stalemate because he cannot kill them all.

Twilight vampires may be able to run at a thousands of MPH, but they don't fight that way, as seen with their fights with the wolves. Same goes for Hancock, his flight speed is likely WAY up there, but he's no speed-brawler, as seen in his fight with the white-girl. So if the only way the vampires can win here is by running away/around for a stalemate, then logic dictates Hancock is the victor.

In a match where one side literally has no way of winning and the other does, it's logical to give the victory to the one with a chance, no matter how slight. This has been an unwritten rule for some time in here.

Hancock broke the sound barrier within 3-5 seconds when he flew off that bench.

He moved so fast in the bank that no one could see him, he just left gusts of wind when he took out a robber. Considering that he was moving that fast and was accurate enough to take out each individual robber, it's safe to say his perception keeps up with his speed.

He's fast enough to speed-blitz, and there's nothing they can do really.

Originally posted by KingD19
Hancock broke the sound barrier within 3-5 seconds when he flew off that bench.

He moved so fast in the bank that no one could see him, he just left gusts of wind when he took out a robber. Considering that he was moving that fast and was accurate enough to take out each individual robber, it's safe to say his perception keeps up with his speed.

He's fast enough to speed-blitz, and there's nothing they can do really.

I still don't know how you guys figured out he was going hyper sonic. Not saying he didn't, but I just want to know how you guys know.

No one has said Hancock isn't fast. He just won't be so fast that he is invisible to the Vampires. Their speed and perception is far greater than the humans at the bank. And if they can see him and react, Hancock gets incapacitated.

Theres a case to be made that his reflexes aren't that fast. Aside from what DDM has said, he also couldn't just directly blitz the last guy with the dead man's switch, and then theres also the chocolate bar vs gun fight where he wasn't quick enough (weird scene though that). Moot point though considering the above.

I still don't know how you guys figured out he was going hyper sonic. Not saying he didn't, but I just want to know how you guys know.

He goes to the moon. Escape velocity is 34 times the speed of sound, Mach 34. Hypersonic speed is anything over Mach 5.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He goes to the moon. Escape velocity is 34 times the speed of sound, Mach 34. Hypersonic speed is anything over Mach 5.

Hahaha, yea I remember reading that argument before.

It doesn't work, as in thats not how escape velocity works, it doesn't apply to Hancock. sorry 😄

Any other evidence for saying he is hypersonic then?

The chocolate bar v gun scene can't be counted because he was incredibly weakened by that time. Earlier in the movie he was eating 50.cal rounds and swatting away rockets....and then a .38 sends him to the hospital. Theron had weakened him to barely more than a human with enhanced strength.

And how fast would he have to be to fly to the moon, paint the All-Heart logo over one entire side, and then be back in New York/California(Can't remember where he moved) before calling Ray and telling him to look up...and keep in mind no one had noticed the logo yet.

Originally posted by Placidity
Hahaha, yea I remember reading that argument before.

It doesn't work, as in thats not how escape velocity works, it doesn't apply to Hancock. sorry 😄

Any other evidence for saying he is hypersonic then?

He went to the Moon and painted it with a heart before anyone could actually notice?

And keep in mind that the moon is really, really far away.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
He went to the Moon and painted it with a heart before anyone could actually notice?

And keep in mind that the moon is really, really far away.

We don't know how long that took. Plus its not always a full moon. And thats not really a serious feat... I mean I'm sure the writers just put it in there for fun, without giving any thought to Hancock having to do it really fast etc.

I mean if there were other feats in the movie that suggest he is capable of such speeds, then its all good, but just relying on this alone? Its pretty weak imho.

Originally posted by KingD19
The chocolate bar v gun scene can't be counted because he was incredibly weakened by that time. Earlier in the movie he was eating 50.cal rounds and swatting away rockets....and then a .38 sends him to the hospital. Theron had weakened him to barely more than a human with enhanced strength.

Well, thats why I said it was a weird scene:

1. He is strong enough to throw a chocolate bar with enough force to send the thug flying and through the wall.

2. His durability reduces to human levels.

Doesn't that strike you as odd? I felt that his levels were meant to be reducing over time. Whereas that scene, when he throws the bar, he still has considerable power, but then immediately after (or at the same time really) his durability is reduced to nothing.

Originally posted by Placidity
We don't know how long that took. Plus its not always a full moon. And thats not really a serious feat... I mean I'm sure the writers just put it in there for fun, without giving any thought to Hancock having to do it really fast etc.

I mean if there were other feats in the movie that suggest he is capable of such speeds, then its all good, but just relying on this alone? Its pretty weak imho.

It was quick enough so that every human being on Earth didn't notice a giant heart on the moon. So, prolly before the sun set. And no, dun care how much you bawwww about it, it's a feat.

Like how he's a superhero? And how throughout the movie, he's casually uses his powers to stupid extents?

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
It was quick enough so that every human being on Earth didn't notice a giant heart on the moon. So, prolly before the sun set. And no, dun care how much you bawwww about it, it's a feat.

Ok then if you aren't interested in an honest debate. See, now I know.

Still doesn't mean Twivamps won't see him, so if you could please prove that, then you will be winning, like Charlie Sheen.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer

Like how he's a superhero? And how throughout the movie, he's casually uses his powers to stupid extents?

Thats not proof of anything. Thats a bit hypocritical given your above statement.

Originally posted by Placidity
Ok then if you aren't interested in an honest debate. See, now I know.

Still doesn't mean Twivamps won't see him, so if you could please prove that, then you will be winning, like Charlie Sheen.

Thats not proof of anything. Thats a bit hypocritical given your above statement.

Uh, when exactly have Twivamps be shown reacting to hypersonic speeds =|

Not really, you're claiming the speed feat isn't consistent with the rest of the movie, but considering how he was generally acting lazy and casual throughout most of the film, and was still showing impressive feats, would consider the feat consistent.