The Gorgon vs Sebastian shaw

Originally posted by Simbon
Emma's TP fails against Shaw; Shaw also has superhuman combat speed and superb skill. Nothing about Gorgon's blade that I've seen suggests that it's a game-changer.

his combat speed is nothing compared to gorgons, nor is his skill.

I dont think you have read much of anything on gorgon, which is likely have your problem............

Gorgons sword is grass cutter, you know the perfect blade forged by gods to kill other gods. Used by Ares son to kill him.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
lol dont listen to his nonsense. He perhaps the least respected poster on this board. He from another sight, and more or less comes on here to troll.

But if you want to use his nonsense as a cop out form having a real debate, then have fun with that. 😉

I don't know anything about Sasu, but I do know that what he said is consistent with your posts on this thread. The fact of the matter is that all evidence suggests that the only people who should tangle with shaw are those with HUGE energy outputs, like Magneto, Hulk, etc who can overload him.

Emma and Prof X are by far better telapaths then Gorgon so don't make up some nonsense or ABC logic that because it works on Wolverine it must means hes superior to them.

Honestly Dum Dum and Stilt just stop trolling this thread

Originally posted by Simbon
I don't know anything about Sasu, but I do know that what he said is consistent with your posts on this thread. The fact of the matter is that all evidence suggests that the only people who should tangle with shaw are those with HUGE energy outputs, like Magneto, Hulk, etc who can overload him.

None of those individuals use piercing damage, how on earth is it relevent. Also Hulk and magneto would soundly beat shaw in a fight, so I not sure why you bring up two individual who are nothing like gorgon and who would beat shaws ass into the gound.......thank you mister irrelevent. 🙄

No not all evidence suggest any such nonsense. Pierce when trying to take shaw out, used piercing weapons to assist. Pierce is one individual who knows shaw better then almost anyone. Interesting no that he wuld use piercing weapons instead of blunt.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
evidence please.

his combat speed is nothing compared to gorgons, nor is his skill.

I dont think you have read much of anything on gorgon, which is likely have your problem............

Gorgons sword is grass cutter, you know the perfect blade forged by gods to kill other gods. Used by Ares son to kill him.

I know about Gorgon's abilities —_I am not trying to say that he isn't very powerful, and in fact I think there are some opponents he could do much better against than Shaw would (Hulk, for instance); but that doesn't change the fact that Shaw is extremely well-suited to beating him. Yes, Gorgon is more skilled, and is arguably faster. But even if you don't think that him being cut is PIS (which I do), it is clear that he can take piercing damage and keep on trucking, and he has sufficient speed and skill to get a hold of Gorgon, at which point it is over w/out his stone-gaze, since Shaw is extremely TP resistant.

Pierce, Daken, Logan. And that still ain't enough?

And your still lying about Wolverine being able to stab him and have brought no evidence to support this but go ahead keep ignoring the fight I already posted in this thread contradicting your entire argument.

Shaw absorbs the kinetic energy from bullets,stab wounds,punches from collosus.
He also has mental defenses that can keep both emma and Xavier out of his mind.

Originally posted by Simbon
I don't know anything about Sasu, but I do know that what he said is consistent with your posts on this thread. The fact of the matter is that all evidence suggests that the only people who should tangle with shaw are those with HUGE energy outputs, like Magneto, Hulk, etc who can overload him.

Raven believed she could kill Shaw with a bullet and she is fully aware of what his power really is.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/65096/1258299-shaw_super.jpg

again just b/c he can absorb kinetic energy at doesnt mean he can safely do it with piercing damage due to how comic rules tend to work.. now i asked about Pierce who beat the snot out of Shaw using piercing damage and no one seemed to answer that. so i ask again does anyone know what happen between Shaw and pierce?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Consistent with my post? becuase I think shaw can be damage by piercing attacks which he has been? interesting.

None of those individuals use piercing damage, how on earth is it relevent. Also Hulk and magneto would soundly beat shaw in a fight, so I not sure why you bring up two individual who are nothing like gorgon and who would beat shaws ass into the gound.......thank you mister irrelevent. 🙄

No not all evidence suggest any such nonsense. Pierce when trying to take shaw out, used piercing weapons to assist. Pierce is one individual who knows shaw better then almost anyone. Interesting no that he wuld use piercing weapons instead of blunt.

Your condescension is misplaced, as the fact that Magneto and Hulk ARE radically different from Gorgon, and WOULD beat him into the ground is precisely my point. Now try and put two and two together.

Originally posted by King Castle
so if i post a scan showing otherwise you will concede?

Raven believed she could kill Shaw with a bullet and she is fully aware of what his power really is.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/65096/1258299-shaw_super.jpg

again just b/c he can absorb kinetic energy at doesnt mean he can safely do it with piercing damage due to how comic rules tend to work.. now i asked about Pierce who beat the snot out of Shaw using piercing damage and no one seemed to answer that. so i ask again does anyone know what happen between Shaw and pierce?

This basically confirms that the bullets wouldn't have killed him what are you talking about?
So if I show you the fight with Pierce does that magically not make it PIS all of a sudden?

Originally posted by King Castle
so if i post a scan showing otherwise you will concede?

Raven believed she could kill Shaw with a bullet and she is fully aware of what his power really is.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/65096/1258299-shaw_super.jpg

again just b/c he can absorb kinetic energy at doesnt mean he can safely do it with piercing damage due to how comic rules tend to work.. now i asked about Pierce who beat the snot out of Shaw using piercing damage and no one seemed to answer that. so i ask again does anyone know what happen between Shaw and pierce?

The scan redounds to my argument, unless killing people with bullets and knives are no longer "conventional tactics."

even if we want to believe that shaw can absorb the kinetic force of the cut which i believe he can, he still starts off at base lvl human strength and durability, he would still be cut due to his durability not reaching it's high end and absorbing the minimal kinetic energy providing from the slice to hurt Gorgon.

Originally posted by Simbon
I know about Gorgon's abilities —_I am not trying to say that he isn't very powerful, and in fact I think there are some opponents he could do much better against than Shaw would (Hulk, for instance); but that doesn't change the fact that Shaw is extremely well-suited to beating him.

Originally posted by Simbon
, Gorgon is more skilled, and is arguably faster.

arguably faster? This is what makes me think you have no idea what your talking about.

Gorgon has out react speedstir, move over a foot and cut a bullet in haft before it hit it intended target all accomplished after the bullet had been fired and was wistin feat of it intended target, deflecting and dodging in and out of machine gun firer ect. Ye when i see shaw do anything remotely comparable speed wise to these type of incidents, then will talk about him being arguably as fast.

Originally posted by Simbon
But even if you don't think that him being cut is PIS (which I do), it is clear that he can take piercing damage and keep on trucking,

He can take some stabbs, but it will dropped him after a time. He last longer then some, becuase he absorbs energy which grants him ability to push on, however he does not heal from the piercing attacks and the blood lose will catch up to him.

Originally posted by Simbon
he has sufficient speed and skill to get a hold of Gorgon, at which point it is over w/out his stone-gaze, since Shaw is extremely TP resistant.

Whats to stop gorgon from cutting off arms, legs, fingures, heads, stabbed vital area ect. All while shaw tries to grabb the far faster and more skilled fighter with the signifcant range advantage via sword.

Originally posted by King Castle
even if we want to believe that shaw can absorb the kinetic force of the cut which i believe he can, he still starts off at base lvl human strength and durability, he would still be cut due to his durability not reaching it's high end and absorbing the minimal kinetic energy providing from the slice to hurt Gorgon.

If this was stated in the stips, and if we allowed that Shaw being cut isn't PIS (I am trying to be charitable here), then I would say that Gorgon has an excellent chance of winning. But normally Shaw makes sure that he is at an enhanced level of strength, speed and durability, so if you should edit the original post if that is what you have in mind.

Originally posted by Simbon
Your condescension is misplaced, as the fact that Magneto and Hulk ARE radically different from Gorgon, and WOULD beat him into the ground is precisely my point. Now try and put two and two together.

Your pretty much saying A can not beat C, becuase B and D can beat the shit out of C.

It not logical it is plain foolishness.

Originally posted by Simbon
If this was stated in the stips, and if we allowed that Shaw being cut isn't PIS (I am trying to be charitable here), then I would say that Gorgon has an excellent chance of winning. But normally Shaw makes sure that he is at an enhanced level of strength, speed and durability, so if you should edit the original post if that is what you have in mind.

Shaw coming into a fight powered up to Hulk lvl strength/sentry durability or anything approaching even mid isnt his standard default lvl.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

Whats to stop gorgon from cutting off arms, legs, fingures, heads, stabbed vital area ect. All while shaw tries to grabb the far faster and more skilled fighter with the signifcant range advantage via sword.

Oh, I don't know, maybe the same thing that stopped logan from using this strategy?

Originally posted by Simbon
If this was stated in the stips, and if we allowed that Shaw being cut isn't PIS (I am trying to be charitable here), then I would say that Gorgon has an excellent chance of winning. But normally Shaw makes sure that he is at an enhanced level of strength, speed and durability, so if you should edit the original post if that is what you have in mind.

You arnt looking at evidence and deciding whats PIS, you ding it based how you wish shaws powers work not how they do.

Shaw does not absorb energy instantly preventing the attack. The attack very much still lands however he absorb the energy from it.

We have evidences of people who know him stating they can take him out with a mere gun, we have instances of 3 characters damaging him with percing attacks ect.

while all we get from you is utter denial.

Originally posted by Simbon
Oh, I don't know, maybe the same thing that stopped logan from using this strategy?

Originally posted by Simbon
Oh, I don't know, maybe the same thing that stopped logan from using this strategy?

Logan simply didn't have enough time to take care of Shaw.