Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I understand what your arguement was, it just stupid.Your pretty much saying A can not beat C, becuase B and D can beat the shit out of C.
It not logical it is plain foolishness.
No, my logic was as follows:
Only characters with an energy output equal to or greater than A or B can beat C. D's energy output is substantially lower than A or B, therefore D cannot be C. The emphasis here is on energy output, because I believe that this is what Gorgon lacks to put Shaw down.
Now, will you please stop projecting your cognitive difficulties on others.
Originally posted by Simbon
No, my logic was as follows:Only characters with an energy output equal to or greater than A or B can beat C. D's energy output is substantially lower than A or B, therefore D cannot be C. The emphasis here is on energy output, because I believe that this is what Gorgon lacks to put Shaw down.
Now, will you please stop projecting your cognitive difficulties on others.
Except there no logic behind it. We already know shaw can be taken out with less, if it piercing damage. Becuase he can still very easily bleed out. So no your logic is still very flawed. Again you think it all about energy out put, but thats your problem. We arn argueing he produces enough energy to overload shaw, quite the opposite. Were saying he will bleed shaw out, well granting shaw very little energy for the amount of damage his body is going through during the fight.
Again this all stems from you overrating shaws abilities.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganShaw does not absorb energy instantly preventing the attack. The attack very much still lands however he absorb the energy from it.
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Yeah, like when Gambit made him explode by giving him a full kinetic charge, or Scott just blasted him in half with his optic blast... oh wait, both times he just stood there and absorbed it.
You claim that I am being ignorant and engaging in wishful thinking. No doubt you also think the batkick is a viable strategy in the forum.
Originally posted by Simbon
Yeah, like when Gambit made him explode by giving him a full kinetic charge, or Scott just blasted him in half with his optic blast... oh wait, both times he just stood there and absorbed it.You claim that I am being ignorant and engaging in wishful thinking. No doubt you also think the batkick is a viable strategy in the forum.
No at all my friend. I actually taking the character as shown on pannel, but you just keep on living in denial
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Your trying to pass off Pure kinetic energy attacks as if there the same as piercing attacks were there naught. We already stated several examples of them working against him despite your denial. Your arguing a kinetic energy absorber, absorbing pure kenetic energy attack as the same as withanding piercing assault is like argueing an apple is saying an organNo at all my friend. I actually taking the character as shown on pannel, but you just keep on living in denial
A piercing attack has no non-kinetic content. I know you think that on-panel examples deny this, but I think this is like saying that the bat-kick can take it out of Wonder-woman, or that Superman or Flash can be hit by people with near-human reflexes, or that Nick Fury and Cap are more than the U-foes just because we have seen all these things on panel. To see certain on-panel events as PIS is not the same as "living in denial." Since we are unlikely to resolve this basic difference between us, I suggest we leave it at that.
no one is saying Shaw cant absorb the kinetic attack from a slice wound, we are saying he will be wounded and the energy transfer is minimal compared to his blunt kinetic attack.
this isnt real world physic and how you think it should work it is comic feats and how his mutant powers work and frankly it doesnt look that could for shaw nor does he absorb energy the way you think it does.
he has been knocked down and driven into the ground by jean grey dropping a car on him.. the inertia still effects him which is why he has bn cut he cant stop the cut cold as you seem to think.
Originally posted by Simbon
A piercing attack has no non-kinetic content. I know you think that on-panel examples deny this, but I think this is like saying that the bat-kick can take it out of Wonder-woman, or that Superman or Flash can be hit by people with near-human reflexes, or that Nick Fury and Cap are more than the U-foes just because we have seen all these things on panel. To see certain on-panel events as PIS is not the same as "living in denial." Since we are unlikely to resolve this basic difference between us, I suggest we leave it at that.
Originally posted by King Castle
no one is saying Shaw cant absorb the kinetic attack from a slice wound, we are saying he will be wounded and the energy transfer is minimal compared to his blunt kinetic attack.this isnt real world physic and how you think it should work it is comic feats and how his mutant powers work and frankly it doesnt look that could for shaw nor does he absorb energy the way you think it does.
he has been knocked down and driven into the ground by jean grey dropping a car on him.. the inertia still effects him which is why he has bn cut he cant stop the cut cold as you seem to think.
I dont understand why people can't grasp this, especially when many characters with the same powers have very much the same problem against piercing attacks.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
But it not pure kinetic assault. It has other factors which make it a very different assault in comics. But here the problem champ, it been stated, shown several times piercing damage does effect him. This is not some crazy one time showing. This has happen several times. Two characters who know him extremely well have both suggested use of piercing attacks can put him down. So yes you are very much in denial. You wont his powers to work the way you wish them to, not how they do work.
Bat-kick is not a one-time incident, and, as pointed out in a recent thread, many street-levellers regularly are bolstered with awesome showings of PIS —_that doesn't make it non-PIS, though. Stop with this "you want Shaw's powers to work this way" non-sense; if I were to argue what I want, I'd say that surfer is more than prime, that current Darkseid is more than Thanos, and that Galactus isn't earth's whipping boy. But we all know that would be a load of crap. With Shaw, I see success w/ piercing attacks as inconsistent with his powers, in the same way that I see the batkick as being inconsistent with Batman's status as a human.
Originally posted by Simbon
Bat-kick is not a one-time incident, and, as pointed out in a recent thread, many street-levellers regularly are bolstered with awesome showings of PIS —_that doesn't make it non-PIS, though. Stop with this "you want Shaw's powers to work this way" non-sense; if I were to argue what I want, I'd say that surfer is more than prime, that current Darkseid is more than Thanos, and that Galactus isn't earth's whipping boy. But we all know that would be a load of crap. With Shaw, I see success w/ piercing attacks as inconsistent with his powers, in the same way that I see the batkick as being inconsistent with Batman's status as a human.
Denial denial is all I keep seeing from you. His powers do not work how you wish them to. Sorry it plain and simply. There is a number of example stated proving this. Just beucase you wish his powers to work different then they do changes nothing. This is just getting sadder.
Hey if his piercing durability is so good, lets see some evidence of it shall we? I mean you keep calling it pis, lets see evidence of piercing attack failing. Hell lets see any piercing attack failing against him, then will move on to unbreakable piecing weapons.
Lets just look at the facts shall we.