Tyrant vs. Void vs. Molecule Man

Originally posted by King Kandy
Just to be curious, if the writers honestly wanted to empower Sentry to MM's level, how do you think they should go about introducing this? Since obviously the way they did so, is not a way you will accept. I mean you're deliberately claiming that the writers were just wrong in stating and showing Sentry to have that ability. Do you realize how silly that sounds?

The MM that was hiding in a small town and kidnapping people for no reason? Instead of teleporting them to another spot in the country he kidnaps them and hopes that won't attract attention. This is MM, he mindwipe these people. And for some reason he freaked out at a mere missile coming at him. Pretty much watered down for plot sake.

If he's at non-jobbing MM level, Norn Stones empowered heroes wouldn't even affect him. Thor knocked him around just as much as Void knocked Thor around. MM would crush Thor with a thought. He's not on MM level because the majority of what he did was not MM level. Getting knocked about by Thor and smashed by a Hellicarrier is not even close to MM level. Kubik was throughing planets at Beyonder in their fight. The same Kubik that wouldn't dare fight MM and the same Beyonder that MM stomped. He's not on a cube beings level at all. In fact, Absorbing Man with a fraction of a Cosmic Cube's power easily dimissed and warped Sentry and Void into two separate beings. Void isn't taking on a non-jobbing MM at all and walking away.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
The MM that was hiding in a small town and kidnapping people for no reason? Instead of teleporting them to another spot in the country he kidnaps them and hopes that won't attract attention. This is MM, he mindwipe these people. And for some reason he freaked out at a mere missile coming at him. Pretty much watered down for plot sake.

If he's at non-jobbing MM level, Norn Stones empowered heroes wouldn't even affect him. Thor knocked him around just as much as Void knocked Thor around. MM would crush Thor with a thought. He's not on MM level because the majority of what he did was not MM level. Getting knocked about by Thor and smashed by a Hellicarrier is not even close to MM level. Kubik was throughing planets at Beyonder in their fight. The same Kubik that wouldn't dare fight MM and the same Beyonder that MM stomped. He's not on a cube beings level at all. In fact, Absorbing Man with a fraction of a Cosmic Cube's power easily dimissed and warped Sentry and Void into two separate beings. Void isn't taking on a non-jobbing MM at all and walking away.

Woah woah. Either he's powerful enough to take down MM, or he's not. So, one of these is inconsistent. Either MM jobbed, or Void/Sentry isn't as powerful as that fight made him out. Besides, if he really could control atoms, Thor and the other guys wouldn't have touched him. A helicarrier wouldn't have stopped. It's like it always was with this guy, he's all hype.

If he really was Molecule Man level, it wouldn't have been Asgard that fell, it would have been most of the US, maybe the entire hemisphere, or hell, how about the entire planet, solar system or beyond? All of which are easily in Owen Reece's power to do.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Woah woah. Either he's powerful enough to take down MM, or he's not. So, one of these is inconsistent. Either MM jobbed, or Void/Sentry isn't as powerful as that fight made him out. Besides, if he really could control atoms, Thor and the other guys wouldn't have touched him. A helicarrier wouldn't have stopped. It's like it always was with this guy, he's all hype.

If he really was Molecule Man level, it wouldn't have been Asgard that fell, it would have been most of the US, maybe the entire hemisphere, or hell, how about the entire planet, solar system or beyond? All of which are easily in Owen Reece's power to do.

Also, its worth noting that even when in siege-mode, Sentry's will was still exerting itself and limiting void.

Excuse me? I looked at siege, Thor was the only big gun there. Nothing there puts Sentry on this god like level you seem to claim.

It's not a double standard if one character has a known habit of not going all out or limiting himself. Molecule Man doesn't always use his full power. And given that Sentry/Void demonstrated "nothing" on that level after that fight, it's clear that it was shitty writing and MM got jobbed out.

If not, then how did Void lose to a helicarrier and Thor?

siege would be the shitty writing then, this should be logical since there was a precedent created by the reece, wwh, new avengers, etc incidents

WWH? He did nothing there. He got bitchslapped. Thor wouldn't have suffered that defeat, nor Surfer, nor Stardust or most of the top tier heralds. Sentry got bitched. New Avengers? You mean Shultron? Not a great feat.

nah man, i;m talking about the time emma frost was trying to calm him down when he let the void sort of take over. he was about to trample the avengers and some x-men, strange, etc

Again this fruitless discussion about Void and MM, it's pretty dumb. I should just rehearsh a definite post about it and copy paste it everywhere Mungi-style.

MM was crazy and delirious, if Iron Fist fought in those conditions no one would've said the feats are valid, yet, since Owen is a reality warper it makes crazy being fine when it comes to power levels. Some thing people tend to miss is the fact that Sentry/Void lies, he throws b-shit like he's Galactus or the Angel of Death and people go around taking his crap at face value. He couldn't rebuilt the universe, ever, it wasn't in his powerset, but he tricked Owen into doing it with a lie, "I'm not experienced enough".

Not even discrediting Void's ability to come back after destruction, he never showed the kind of power needed to win. MM didn't use any of the multiple ways he had to beat Bob, should we assume Bob is indestructible because of it? Way to turn this into a fallacy.

Originally posted by Bentley
Again this fruitless discussion about Void and MM, it's pretty dumb. I should just rehearsh a definite post about it and copy paste it everywhere Mungi-style.

MM was crazy and delirious, if Iron Fist fought in those conditions no one would've said the feats are valid, yet, since Owen is a reality warper it makes crazy being fine when it comes to power levels. Some thing people tend to miss is the fact that Sentry/Void lies, he throws b-shit like he's Galactus or the Angel of Death and people go around taking his crap at face value. He couldn't rebuilt the universe, ever, it wasn't in his powerset, but he tricked Owen into doing it with a lie, "I'm not experienced enough".

Not even discrediting Void's ability to come back after destruction, he never showed the kind of power needed to win. MM didn't use any of the multiple ways he had to beat Bob, should we assume Bob is indestructible because of it? Way to turn this into a fallacy.

FINALLY! 😱 Someone who can process logic.

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Originally posted by Bentley
Again this fruitless discussion about Void and MM, it's pretty dumb. I should just rehearsh a definite post about it and copy paste it everywhere Mungi-style.

MM was crazy and delirious, if Iron Fist fought in those conditions no one would've said the feats are valid, yet, since Owen is a reality warper it makes crazy being fine when it comes to power levels. Some thing people tend to miss is the fact that Sentry/Void lies, he throws b-shit like he's Galactus or the Angel of Death and people go around taking his crap at face value. He couldn't rebuilt the universe, ever, it wasn't in his powerset, but he tricked Owen into doing it with a lie, "I'm not experienced enough".

Not even discrediting Void's ability to come back after destruction, he never showed the kind of power needed to win. MM didn't use any of the multiple ways he had to beat Bob, should we assume Bob is indestructible because of it? Way to turn this into a fallacy.

Bravo.

Originally posted by King Kandy
OK first of all, AM defeated Sentry before Sentry had realized his true powers. Secondly, I never claimed Sentry was indestructible... in fact MM blew him up. He will just regenerate. It doesn't matter if Thor knocks him around because physical force doesn't actually stop him. His great power isn't in the durability of his physical form. I mean, we saw IG Thanos get knocked around by some heroes including Wolverine... in no way does this mean they are close to him in power.

MM forgot all about his Cosmic Cube powers and was some how over powered by a Sentry/Void that "hadn't" realized his true power. So I guess we'll go with Sentry is more powerful than MM when MM was reduced to hiding in a small town and kidnapping people. His regenerating means next to nothing if MM was capable of reaching acrossing time and space to bringing back the Beyonder from Kosmos and fought a fight from the Quantum level to the Transmultversal that caused a Watcher to go blind and gave a plant sentience. Even with his discovered new powers, he did nothing remotely close to any cube being in power including watered down MM. Aside from MM jobbing, what does Sentry/Void have in terms of feat that even watered down MM couldn't outperform?

His only claim to MM level was one skewed fight to make him look more badass for Siege.

reece killed sentry like 3-4 times, it just didn't stick

every time he rezzed he like exp'd up or some shit.

The only time they faced each other and Sentry/Void won. So until there's a rematch planned, Sentry/Void > MM in a one on one fight (feats maybe a different story).

Originally posted by zopzop
The only time they faced each other and Sentry/Void won. So until there's a rematch planned, Sentry/Void > MM in a one on one fight (feats maybe a different story).

The only time Firelord and Spider-man fought... Wait a sec...

yeah seriously, not a reasonable summation at all

Originally posted by Bentley
The only time Firelord and Spider-man fought... Wait a sec...

Who won? Spiderman right? So why cry about it? If you don't like it, take it up with Marvel.

Originally posted by zopzop
Who won? Spiderman right? So why cry about it? If you don't like it, take it up with Marvel.

Well, the problems is that we have rules against that in this forums. We can't use it as proof, you don't like it? Take it to the forums.

Originally posted by Bentley
Well, the problems is that we have rules against that in this forums. We can't use it as proof, you don't like it? Take it to the forums.

But MM still lost as did Firelord.