I'm confused as to when some characters get a low showing against another character it's always considered non valid or at least not used in most debates, yet the one low showing for Molecule Man instantly means what happened in that fight will always happen?
For one thing, Owen was breaking down, he was giving his subconcious physical forms and other stuff, and was clearly not in his best of health.
Also, Molecule Man has far, far more he can do to beat Sentry than he showed in those issues. yes, he could tear Sentry apart atom by atom, but he could just as easily encase Sentry in a adamantium block and leave him there, seeing as Sentry's showings in terms of actual matter manipulation are next to none.
Owen could also nuke him with energy blasts, change a molecule in his mind to make him collapse and experience delusions (ala Osborn) among many other things.
Although Owen could also just disintegrate him and that stop his atoms from reforming by controlling them all.
Originally posted by bbrem123
much different circumstance though...Sentry straight up overpower MM at his own game....cant say the say more spiderman
I wasn't discussing about Spider-man it was just a simple explanation that comic wins don't always translate in forum wins.
I agree that it is impressive for Void to resist Owen's warp, it doesn't mean MM fighting at his best can't win.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
I'm confused as to when some characters get a low showing against another character it's always considered non valid or at least not used in most debates, yet the one low showing for Molecule Man instantly means what happened in that fight will always happen?For one thing, Owen was breaking down, he was giving his subconcious physical forms and other stuff, and was clearly not in his best of health.
Also, Molecule Man has far, far more he can do to beat Sentry than he showed in those issues. yes, he could tear Sentry apart atom by atom, but he could just as easily encase Sentry in a adamantium block and leave him there, seeing as Sentry's showings in terms of actual matter manipulation are next to none.
Owen could also nuke him with energy blasts, change a molecule in his mind to make him collapse and experience delusions (ala Osborn) among many other things.
Although Owen could also just disintegrate him and that stop his atoms from reforming by controlling them all.
Co-signed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We've already seen him fail against the Void. Void comes back when he wants to it's that simple and we've seen him do so against the MM's best attempts at absorbing/destroying him.
Best attempts is a nice wordplay given we have no idea what he was trying exactly, he could've done other things considering his incredible powerset.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Doing better than flat out completely destroying someone ? Who else can come back from this attack other than Thanos ?
Defending himself with reality warping for example, I mean, Void ripped MM appart, but so has Wolverine, if he isn't shown using any kind of defense and batshit crazy, we can't be sure he defended himself properly. It's comics.
Then rise and repeat, beat Void until he runs out of juice, or use Thanos like beams to ko him despite regeneration, pick your poison.
Originally posted by BentleyWolverine couldn't survive what MM did to the Sentry. Void doesn't run out of juice we have never ever seen this happen so we don't know if there is an upper limit what it is. Sentry overpowered his defenses with his own powers and then learned how to do so by forcing the MM.
Defending himself with reality warping for example, I mean, Void ripped MM appart, but so has Wolverine, if he isn't shown using any kind of defense and batshit crazy, we can't be sure he defended himself properly. It's comics.Then rise and repeat, beat Void until he runs out of juice, or use Thanos like beams to ko him despite regeneration, pick your poison.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Wolverine couldn't survive what MM did to the Sentry. Void doesn't run out of juice we have never ever seen this happen so we don't know if there is an upper limit what it is. Sentry overpowered his defenses with his own powers and then learned how to do so by forcing the MM.
Feel free to prove MM used any decent defenses such as teleporting, warping time or any other nice stuff he can throw at high levels.
MM can just bfr him, he's too versatile even if you believe Void is actually impossible to kill, which he isn't since he was spent twice in his career -but this is not important for our discussion, he's screwed one way or another-.
Originally posted by BentleyThe tactics used don't escape the end means. He destroyed him. He wanted him completely eradicated. You can use whatever showing you want and argue Thor didn't godblast, soulsuck, etc. to ignore a loss. This is your right but it's not how I debate.
Feel free to prove MM used any decent defenses such as teleporting, warping time or any other nice stuff he can throw at high levels.MM can just bfr him, he's too versatile even if you believe Void is actually impossible to kill, which he isn't since he was spent twice in his career -but this is not important for our discussion, he's screwed one way or another-.
I don't see bfring him working but that's for another discussion you can't do much better than completely destroying someone. Void can reassemble and come back for more.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The tactics used don't escape the end means. He destroyed him. He wanted him completely eradicated. You can use whatever showing you want and argue Thor didn't godblast, soulsuck, etc. to ignore a loss. This is your right but it's not how I debate.I don't see bfring him working but that's for another discussion you can't do much better than completely destroying someone. Void can reassemble and come back for more.
Keep in mind that there was a reason for him not to be destroyed, when it came to molecular control Void could reassemble, but MM didn't try to destroy Void's molecules otherwise, he just used his own control which didn't affect Sentry's molecules "right", since as he explained they tasted different. Any other venue other than straight molecular attacks should affect Void just fine.
Originally posted by BentleyNot really since he can come back from death ala Morrigana in dark avengers. We have also seen him reform from America's shield toss albeit amped, a kree gun's blast to the head, etc.
Keep in mind that there was a reason for him not to be destroyed, when it came to molecular control Void could reassemble, but MM didn't try to destroy Void's molecules otherwise, he just used his own control which didn't affect Sentry's molecules "right", since as he explained they tasted different. Any other venue other than straight molecular attacks should affect Void just fine.
These are examples of him easily wading off attacks that have affected him other than molecular attacks. His control did work but Sentry overrode his control after coming back which is something he can do as the angel of death.