Originally posted by vince_sliceJust a single Elder Gods power made a celestial tremble in its sleep.
Depends, how well do skyfathers and eldergods fair against Celestials? Galactus in TI was portrayed as more powerful than them.
Given how surprised Galactus reacted when Mika-Zeus survived his blast in Chaos War, a hungry Galactus takes a lot of the gods down. Thor was barely scratching Galactus in the Devourer mini-series and Galactus' heralds, at a fraction of a fraction of G's power, have shown to be more than a match for Thor and Beta Ray Bill level beings, so I doubt any of the pantheons except the sky father level and above, pose any threat to him, even when hungry.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Just a single Elder Gods power made a celestial tremble in its sleep.
That scan doesn't seem to work.
Originally posted by zopzop
That's why I only trust imageshack, here it is :The mighty Black Celestial aka Tiamut shuddering and moaning at the coming of Set.
Celestials > cube beings > elder gods
I don't even want to think about why Tiamut was moaning when he dreamt about Set.
Arguably, Galactus has had so many low showings, and the Celestials so few, that they seem much more impressive than him overall. It is a travesty, but on average, Galactus is going to get his ass kicked here. Marvel should get their sh*t together and retcon all of his low-showings, and make him the cosmic top-dog again.
Originally posted by Simbon
Celestials > cube beings > elder godsI don't even want to think about why Tiamut was moaning when he dreamt about Set.
Shuddering AND moaning. So unless he has fantasies about being sexually dominated by someone, Tiamut was crapping his pants at Set's ascension.
Arguably, Galactus has had so many low showings, and the Celestials so few, that they seem much more impressive than him overall. It is a travesty, but on average, Galactus is going to get his ass kicked here. Marvel should get their sh*t together and retcon all of his low-showings, and make him the cosmic top-dog again.
That's what LordofMurder and I have been saying for the past few months. But not just Galactus, all abstractions including jobber king Eternity.
Originally posted by Falamu
Note that Galactus, while cosmic, is very much a physical being...while some of Earth's gods have transcended physical forms...
This is true. Some Elders like Set, exist on multiple planes of existence simultaneously!
But having said that Galactus is all over the place. He has M-bodies (as shown in an issue of Quasar), he he bleeds blood(when Tyrant cut him), he has a skull (something purely abstract or energy beings shouldn't), etc..
Other times he's shown being killed and transformed into a star or bleeding energy.
But can we really infer that Set is more powerful or as powerful as Tiamut from an ambiguous statement like that? I "shudder" at the thought of insects, but that doesn't mean they're as powerful or more powerful than me. Any direct or direct (or indirect) battle feats for Elder gods and Celestials?
The reason I ask about Celestials is because in the beginning of Thanos Imperative you had a bunch of abstracts fighting against the Galactus Engine, including Celestials. In Thanos Imperative #2 page 19, It shows Galactus, Aegis, Tenebrous, and 17 Celestials (I'll post the scan with highlights at the bottom) defending at the edge of the fault.
By the end of Thanos Imperative, Galactus by himself was holding off (although slowly losing) the Galactus Engine by himself, while all the other abstracts (including all the Celestials) either fled away or were killed. Surfer even made a comment saying that If Galactus couldn't stop the Galactus Engine, then everyone will die. Based on this I think it's reasonable to think Galactus was the most powerful among all the abstracts present, since he was the last one standing.
Here's the scan. I highlighted all the Celestials with red circles, and counted about 17 of them being present, makes for a total of 19 abstracts who were present at the fault, possibly even more.
Originally posted by vince_slice
But can we really infer that Set is more powerful or as powerful as Tiamut from an ambiguous statement like that? I "shudder" at the thought of insects, but that doesn't mean they're as powerful or more powerful than me. Any direct or direct (or indirect) battle feats for Elder gods and Celestials?
Do you shudder and moan at the thought of insects? In the scan he was visibly trembling and it even mentioned that when the FF fought Kang at that very spot, Tiamut wasn't disturbed by it at all. But he shuddered and moaned at the coming of Set.
Originally posted by vince_slice
By the end of Thanos Imperative, Galactus by himself was holding off (although slowly losing) the Galactus Engine by himself, while all the other abstracts (including all the Celestials) either fled away or were killed. Surfer even made a comment saying that If Galactus couldn't stop the Galactus Engine, then everyone will die. Based on this I think it's reasonable to think Galactus was the most powerful among all the abstracts present, since he was the last one standing.
Recently Galactus has had two high showings one in the Thanos Imperative the other in Annihilation (with his blast wiping a galaxy clean). If this keeps up, I may change my opinion of him but as of now, he gets slaughtered from the get-go in the OP's gauntlet.
Originally posted by zopzop
Do you shudder and moan at the thought of insects? In the scan he was visibly trembling and it even mentioned that when the FF fought Kang at that very spot, Tiamut wasn't disturbed by it at all. But he shuddered and moaned at the coming of Set.
You can shudder in revulsion aswell, and you can moan in sorrow. Neither per say can be said to be directly linked to "shit his pants" if anything he was disgusted by Set's arrival and sad because he could in his current stage (locked away) do nothing to prevent it. But again it's all interpretation, but given the context concerning the Celestials in comparison to the Elder Gods, I find it unlikely that he was "shitting his pants" especially since Tiamut is one of the strongest Celestials.
Originally posted by UtrigitaExactly. It's quite possible Tiamut views Set and his fellow elder god/demons in the same way as some people see the creepy crawlies that inhabit the dark spaces and outside of their house. Not as a threat but something that disgusts them and they don't particularly like around - even though they are quite capable of getting an exterminator out if they really want to.
You can shudder in revulsion aswell, and you can moan in sorrow. Neither per say can be said to be directly linked to "shit his pants" if anything he was disgusted by Set's arrival and sad because he could in his current stage (locked away) do nothing to prevent it. But again it's all interpretation, but given the context concerning the Celestials in comparison to the Elder Gods, I find it unlikely that he was "shitting his pants" especially since Tiamut is one of the strongest Celestials.
Yea, I find it hard to believe that the Tiamut scene was similar to how people view insects.
From what I recall of the Imperative, I would hardly use it as proof that Galactus > other abstracts and Celestials. IIRC, they disappeared off panel. You can argue that they sacrificed themselves and weakened it. No evidence one way or the other. Way too ambiguous it to be sufficient evidence.
Originally posted by Utrigita
You can shudder in revulsion aswell, and you can moan in sorrow. Neither per say can be said to be directly linked to "shit his pants" if anything he was disgusted by Set's arrival and sad because he could in his current stage (locked away) do nothing to prevent it. But again it's all interpretation, but given the context concerning the Celestials in comparison to the Elder Gods, I find it unlikely that he was "shitting his pants" especially since Tiamut is one of the strongest Celestials.
Read the scan again. When the FF fought Kang at that very spot, Kang who was attempting to awaken Tiamut, Tiamut didn't even register it. But the very thought of Set's ascension caused him to shudder and moan. Look at the last picture panel, that doesn't look like disgust in his "eyes". It looks more like fear.
