Galactus vs Earth Pantheons - Whom Gods Destroy

Originally posted by zopzop
Even assuming the other "abstracts" who aren't really abstracts retreated, leaving only Galactus, this means nothing. It could be a rare good showing for the fool.

In the end a REAL abstract, Death, did the actual winning.

You know, even if I weren't a fan of Galactus, I would look at the facts and the facts are many started the battle, only 1 remained to oppose the aggressor. That definitely means something. It doesn't matter if it's Galactus or Spider-Man, Exodus vs. the X-Men and Avengers combined or Odin vs. the Infinity Watch. Give credit where credit is due. You're just arguing for the sake of taking the opposite position with no real basis.

Death simply brought her concept to the Cancerverse. Death was more a resolution to the story than a combatant on the field. Doesn't detract from the showing at all and doesn't have any bearing on the discussion at hand. I don't know why you brought it up.

Originally posted by zopzop
Aegis and Teneberous "died" when the Surfer doused them with Crunch energies at the end of Annihilation, were they fighting in Thanos Imperative or not?

The fact that NONE of the beings present at the fault were actual abstracts makes me question whether you know what an abstract concept is.

The irony is delicious when you realize that when an actual abstract showed up, the fighting was over in an instant.

Look who's calling who a troll. You're the one that began with the insults yet you accuse me of trolling.

You're really grasping at straws there trying to argue what to call Galactus and the Celestials. I refer to them as "abstracts" because that's what they were called in the Thanos Imperative comic. You can call them whatever you want, Cosmic gods, Primordial gods, Abstracts, doesn't matter because it's arbitrary to the argument.

You didn't answer my question. After Aegist "died" is she or is she not still fighting against the Galactus Engine?

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
You know, even if I weren't a fan of Galactus, I would look at the facts and the facts are many started the battle, only 1 remained to oppose the aggressor. That definitely means something. It doesn't matter if it's Galactus or Spider-Man, Exodus vs. the X-Men and Avengers combined or Odin vs. the Infinity Watch. Give credit where credit is due. You're just arguing for the sake of taking the opposite position with no real basis.

Death simply brought her concept to the Cancerverse. Death was more a resolution to the story than a combatant on the field. Doesn't detract from the showing at all and doesn't have any bearing on the discussion at hand. I don't know why you brought it up.

Yes and Spiderman beat Firelord, Spiderman KOed the Hulk with a garbage truck, Sentry beat Molecule Man, Thor trounced Glory, etc... High showings happen. This was the first one in a long time for Galactus. Gratz to him.

Death, an actual abstract, annihilated the Cancerverse. It's power output was so vast they felt it in 616 reality. It atomized the Galactus Engine. It literally ended the threat once and for all (or at least till the Old Ones respawn).

Originally posted by vince_slice
You're really grasping at straws there trying to argue what to call Galactus and the Celestials. I refer to them as "abstracts" because that's what they were called in the Thanos Imperative comic. You can call them whatever you want, Cosmic gods, Primordial gods, Abstracts, doesn't matter because it's arbitrary to the argument.

Can I call them Omega Level Mutants? Would that still be correct? Of course not because that's not what they are. They are cosmics entities but they are not abstracts unless you can tell me what concept they represent. Becuase I can tell you what concept ACTUAL abstract beings represent because it's their actual title : Death, Order, Chaos, Infinity, Oblivion, Eon, Epoch, Eternity, Love, Hate. What abstract concept does Galactus represent? Aegis? Teneberous? The individual Celestials who were at the fault?

You didn't answer my question. After Aegist "died" is she or is she not still fighting against the Galactus Engine?

Who knows? What was she and Teneberous even doing there since they "died" at the end of Annihilation. Answer that first then I'll answer your question, since Annihilation took place before Thanos Imperative.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes and Spiderman beat Firelord, Spiderman KOed the Hulk with a garbage truck, Sentry beat Molecule Man, Thor trounced Glory, etc... High showings happen. This was the first one in a long time for Galactus. Gratz to him.

Death, an actual abstract, annihilated the Cancerverse. It's power output was so vast they felt it in 616 reality. It atomized the Galactus Engine. It literally ended the threat once and for all (or at least till the Old Ones respawn).

SMvsFL is complete garbage and not a high showing at all. Thor actually literally would have died if not for that woman. Is Galactus' effort a high showing? Perhaps. High showings occur when something extraordinary happens. The low showings you conjure for Galactus are always when he is hungry and/or near death. All of them. That is not the case in TI so is in the sense an extraordinary occurence? Yes because Galactus is rarely portrayed as NOT hungry. Is it a high showing for the character in specific? Debatable. That's another thread all together. It's a good showing. And it's absolutely not ludicrous at all to think Galactus could hold his own when you compare Spider-Man vs. Firelord, which is widely criticized for it's stupidity.

Death brought the one thing to the Cancerverse that it was entirely built on. Why are you mentioning Death? Death never joined the battle at the Fault and Death's role was simply to bring the equivalent of Kryptonite to the Cancerverse. You chop off the head and the whole body collapses.

Again, you're just arguing for the sake of being stubborn. Death wasn't at the battle. Surfer was clearly referencing those entities involved directly in the battle. Death has no relevance to this discussion whatsoever. Cosmo could just as equally have taken the Ultimate Nullifier into the Cancerverse, and nullified the whole damn place and achieve the same things Death did.

Yet neither Cosmo nor Death were at the battle, so what is the point.

Originally posted by zopzop
Can I call them Omega Level Mutants? Would that still be correct? Of course not because that's not what they are. They are cosmics entities but they are not abstracts unless you can tell me what concept they represent. Becuase I can tell you what concept ACTUAL abstract beings represent because it's their actual title : Death, Order, Chaos, Infinity, Oblivion, Eon, Epoch, Eternity, Love, Hate. What abstract concept does Galactus represent? Aegis? Teneberous? The individual Celestials who were at the fault?

Who knows? What was she and Teneberous even doing there since they "died" at the end of Annihilation. Answer that first then I'll answer your question, since Annihilation took place before Thanos Imperative.

Then go send an angry email to DnA because it was their book that called Galactus and the Celestials "abstracts". What we call them has no relevance to my argument though.

As for Tenebrous and Aegis dying in Annihilation, their "death" took them out of commission for a while, and they were no longer a threat to Galactus and Surfer after they supposedly died.

The same can be said for Aegis when she died in TI, she was taken out of commission and could no longer contribute to the battle against the Engine. Therefore she was properly defeated and her defeat was meaningful, not meaningless like you argue.

Galactus is the Eternity of Galan of Taa's universe merged with Galan himself. So while not entirely abstract, it's totally inaccurate to say that Galactus is not an abstract by any sense of the word.

The Celestials though are a different matter.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
SMvsFL is complete garbage and not a high showing at all. Thor actually literally would have died if not for that woman. Is Galactus' effort a high showing? Perhaps. High showings occur when something extraordinary happens. The low showings you conjure for Galactus are always when he is hungry and/or near death. All of them. That is not the case in TI so is in the sense an extraordinary occurence? Yes because Galactus is rarely portrayed as NOT hungry. Is it a high showing for the character in specific? Debatable. That's another thread all together. It's a good showing. And it's absolutely not ludicrous at all to think Galactus could hold his own when you compare Spider-Man vs. Firelord, which is widely criticized for it's stupidity.

Death brought the one thing to the Cancerverse that it was entirely built on. Why are you mentioning Death? Death never joined the battle at the Fault and Death's role was simply to bring the equivalent of Kryptonite to the Cancerverse. You chop off the head and the whole body collapses.

Again, you're just arguing for the sake of being stubborn. Death wasn't at the battle. Surfer was clearly referencing those entities involved directly in the battle. Death has no relevance to this discussion whatsoever. Cosmo could just as equally have taken the Ultimate Nullifier into the Cancerverse, and nullified the whole damn place and achieve the same things Death did.

Yet neither Cosmo nor Death were at the battle, so what is the point.

Were those 'high showings' stupid? That's your opinion. I forgot to mention Sentry stalemating Galactus off panel or Quasar holding his own vs Galactus in an issue off FF with Galactus stating he was exasperated.

I consider it "stupid", assuming it's true, that the Celestials and Teneberous fled while Galactus was barely holding his own vs the Engine. I consider it "stupid" that Aegis "died". I consider it "stupid" that Aegis and Teneberous were even there seeing as how they bit it in Annihilation.

Did you even read the story arc? You're really going to make me post the scans of an ACTUAL abstract annihilating the Cancerverse, the Old Ones, and the Galactus engine and people in 616 mentioning that the energy output was off the scales?

Originally posted by vince_slice
Then go send an angry email to DnA because it was their book that called Galactus and the Celestials "abstracts". What we call them has no relevance to my argument though.

I'm not angry at all. I'm just pointing out the difference between a cosmic being and an abstract to you. If anything you seem to be the one having anger issues.

As for Tenebrous and Aegis dying in Annihilation, their "death" took them out of commission for a while, and they were no longer a threat to Galactus and Surfer after they supposedly died.

The same can be said for Aegis when she died in TI, she was taken out of commission and could no longer contribute to the battle against the Engine. Therefore she was properly defeated and her defeat was meaningful, not meaningless like you argue.

Actually a more accurate statement would be it's, Aegis', M-body was destroyed, not the actual cosmic being. Since it was shown in Quasar that even non abstracts like the Watchers, the Celestials, and Galactus use M-bodies.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Galactus is the Eternity of Galan of Taa's universe merged with Galan himself. So while not entirely abstract, it's totally inaccurate to say that Galactus is not an abstract by any sense of the word.

The Celestials though are a different matter.

What concept does Galactus represent? None! Maelstrom even taunted Galactus about this little fact during Cosmos in Collision.

Originally posted by zopzop
Were those 'high showings' stupid? That's your opinion. I forgot to mention Sentry stalemating Galactus off panel or Quasar holding his own vs Galactus in an issue off FF with Galactus stating he was exasperated.

I consider it "stupid", assuming it's true, that the Celestials and Teneberous fled while Galactus was barely holding his own vs the Engine. I consider it "stupid" that Aegis "died". I consider it "stupid" that Aegis and Teneberous were even there seeing as how they bit it in Annihilation.

Did you even read the story arc? You're really going to make me post the scans of an ACTUAL abstract annihilating the Cancerverse, the Old Ones, and the Galactus engine and people in 616 mentioning that the energy output was off the scales?

If you want to create a Spider-Man vs. Firelord thread here, please do so. And I'm calling it stupid right this second.

And dude, stop being such an ass by asking if I read the actual arc. That's such an idiotic tactic here on the forums to try and make your point stronger.

You clearly aren't getting the point. Bring anything that is missing, to a body that is missing it, and you attain equilibrium. What the **** does Death have to do with this? You made some biased statements concerning G and I deconstructed them. You come back screaming about Death, what the **** does Death have to do with this? Was Death at the battle? Was Death even among those surfer was referring to? Death ended the Cancerverse because she represented what the Cancerverse lacked. What are you trying to prove? Seriously? Stop being an ass about it and thinking you're the only one with knowledge of these characters or an interest in these stories. This type of shit is getting really tiresome on KMC. Seriously, grow up and learn how to communicate like an adult, unless you're 12 years old.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
If you want to create a Spider-Man vs. Firelord thread here, please do so. And I'm calling it stupid right this second.

If it was just Spiderman vs Firelord, you'd have a point. But other high showings have him giving the X-men a hard time in Secret Wars or KOing the Hulk with a garbage truck. This Thanos Imperative showing was a rare high showing for Galactus (assuming the other "abstracts" fled even).

And dude, stop being such an ass by asking if I read the actual arc. That's such an idiotic tactic here on the forums to try and make your point stronger.

You clearly aren't getting the point. Bring anything that is missing, to a body that is missing it, and you attain equilibrium. What the **** does Death have to do with this? You made some biased statements concerning G and I deconstructed them. You come back screaming about Death, what the **** does Death have to do with this? Was Death at the battle? Was Death even among those surfer was referring to? Death ended the Cancerverse because she represented what the Cancerverse lacked. What are you trying to prove? Seriously? Stop being an ass about it and thinking you're the only one with knowledge of these characters or an interest in these stories. This type of shit is getting really tiresome on KMC. Seriously, grow up and learn how to communicate like an adult, unless you're 12 years old.

Nice temper tantrum. Death did more than merely represent what the Cancerverse lacked. It lashed out at Lord Marvel and then the Old Ones and then their entire universe. The energy wave was so powerful they felt its effects in 616 reality. It wasn't a passive "here I am fear me" thing, it was an active act of lashing out with her power vs the Old Ones and their entire universe. I'm guessing I do have to post the scans because either your memory of the event is bad or you really didn't bother to read it.

Originally posted by zopzop
That's what LordofMurder and I have been saying for the past few months. But not just Galactus, all abstractions including jobber king Eternity.

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Given what Galactus is supposed to be (the middle force between Death and Eternity), he should clear every single senario in the OP every single time...

BUT going by average showings, zopzop is 100% correct, Galactus has no chance in any of the senario's listed here...

Marvel just needs to blow everything up and start over; at current, most of the abstracts are a joke relative to what they theoretically should be capable of doing...

While Marvel has freaking Skyfathers (planetary level deities people!) out performing them on panel...

The inconsistencies are so bad that they are sickening at times...

Given what Tiamut is supposed to be, Set (the same Set that got 2 of its heads blown off by Thor and the Silver Surfer; albeit in a What If) should only register as a minor "blip" on the radar to a being so almighty, but there Tiamut is...reacting to Set as if Set really matters in the grand scheme of things (and relative to what Set "should" be compared to the Abstracts and Semi-Abstracts, Set should indeed qualify as nothing significant)...

Oh well, let Marvels inconsistencies and tendencies to job out the Cosmics and Abstracts reign...

Originally posted by zopzop
Kang was battling the FF outside Tiamut's prison while attempting to free him. Tiamut didn't even acknowledge the fight as mentioned by the narrator.

Yeah I shudder and moan about the approach of things that are beneath me all the time! Everyone does! 🙄

I ask again, it's relevant to the described incident, why?

If I'm locked away and see a guy approaching the house I'm trapped in with the intent of setting it on fire, I have a gun on me and I could if I wasn't locked easily kill him, but in the current stage I can't do anything, I would tremble with fear. Tiamut would survive the house burning down, the thing is (given the retcon) that Tiamut would like to do the burning himself.

Originally posted by zopzop
The point was, at that time Tiamut was considered "evil". The Eternals retconn didn't come into play until over a decade later.

It's irrelevant given the way in which retcon's work, and secondly it's still only known as a "crime against life" nothing beyond that is mentioned, for all we know he could have disrupted the Celestial experiment, creating the mutants, thus his Shudder and Moaning would be a result of him losing the very beings he made. It's all hypothetical because we don't know what his crime at the time against life was.

Originally posted by zopzop
[B]You got proof, not talk, of a Celestial taking out a Cube level being? Because despite what Kubik said, the Celestials best feats don't compare, at all, to Cube Beings. I give you Kubik vs Beyonder and MM vs Beyoner/Kosmos and compare that to the Celestials vs Thanos with the IG. I rest my case.

Let me see, Kubik was, along with Kosmos, trapped inside a sphere while the Celestial was about to judge them, and Kubik was afraid of the judgement by this single Celestial because no matter what the Celestial decided Kubik would be incapable of preventing the Celestial from killing them if that was the judgement. So we have a actual incident of two parties infront of each other, where a direct power comparison is established. And the day collateral damage = powerlevel get back to me. Dazzle have shattered a mountainside, does that mean that she will suddenly backhand Doctor Doom? In your optics it must. The Silver Surfer has destroyed a planet, Grandmaster from the elders of the universe have no such feat, in your optics Surfer wins. Galactus in his battle with Tyrant destroyed Galaxies, less was destroyed against the Infinity Gauntlet, that must in your optics mean that Galactus & Tyrant is above the Infinity Gauntlet + abstracts. Etc.

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Logically, even a hungry Galactus ought to be above a planet's pantheons, else his job becomes a real *****.

Guess Marvel hasn't figured that out, especially in his most recent showings.

logically how? planet pantheons or not they are worshiped as being near omnipotent not just planetary level power, just look at mythology

not only that but it has long been established that earth gods rival and excees some cosmic beings

What I'm saying is that Galactus devours planets. He logically ought to be able to defeat any defenses of said planets, including pantheons.

I didn't say he could as he's written now.

Originally posted by Cogito
Logically, even a hungry Galactus ought to be above a planet's pantheons, else his job becomes a real *****.

Guess Marvel hasn't figured that out, especially in his most recent showings.

That's the thing though. "Classic" Odin had better showings (fights and feats) than "Classic" Galactus.

"Recent' showings like the Thanos Imperative, Annihilation, etc.. had him FINALLY stepping up to the plate fight/feat wise : blowing up an entire GALAXY while near death and starving, fighting off the Galactus Engine from the Cancerverse one on one while the other Cosmics fled (this included Celestials), etc..

I honestly thought when he faced off vs Odin, Odin would take the fight deadly serious and whip out the Destroyer and all his amps (Scepter of Power, etc...) and face Galactus down in an EPIC brawl. But NOOOOOOOOOOOO. He is so unimpressed by Galactus, he took the fight to him sans amps. Pathetic. 😘

Originally posted by zopzop
That's the thing though. "Classic" Odin had better showings (fights and feats) than "Classic" Galactus.

"Recent' showings like the Thanos Imperative, Annihilation, etc.. had him FINALLY stepping up to the plate fight/feat wise : blowing up an entire GALAXY while near death and starving, fighting off the Galactus Engine from the Cancerverse one on one while the other Cosmics fled (this included Celestials), etc..

I honestly thought when he faced off vs Odin, Odin would take the fight deadly serious and whip out the Destroyer and all his amps (Scepter of Power, etc...) and face Galactus down in an EPIC brawl. But NOOOOOOOOOOOO. He is so unimpressed by Galactus, he took the fight to him sans amps. Pathetic. 😘

Again, didn't say that Galactus could take all the pantheons.

But yeah, Galactus had a lot of promise coming out of Thanos Imperative. Unfortunate that Fraction is ruining him 😬