The Gorgon and Omega Red vs Thor in Melee Fight

Originally posted by Starscream M
jake, you're making this more complicated than it is

thor FOUGHT logan...and he ADMITTED Logan's speed was too much

thats all the proof we need

why is that hard for you to understand?

And yet...

Thor has fought faster people than Logan and made no such concession. Regardless of their fighting prowess/H2H ability/etc. Thor has battled peopled who move faster than Logan could ever hope to react. And despite that concession, he still managed to grab him and throw him. Statements are good and nice, but when they contradict or don't flow with the majority of his showings/history as a whole...well, take it as you will.

And again, ironically, we've made this thread about Wolverine when it's actually about two characters that no one seems to be showing any proof of them being able to do half the things they claim they can. Limited appearances or not, they have them.

Originally posted by Starscream M
jake, you're making this more complicated than it is

thor FOUGHT logan...and he ADMITTED Logan's speed was too much

thats all the proof we need

why is that hard for you to understand?

And Thor has fought people faster than Wolverine and their speed wasn't too much.

IOW, you're hanging your entire argument on a low-end showing.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove that Wolverine was using his "faster then Thor" speed at the time, after all guys like Flash, Speed Demon, Quicksilver, Spider-man etc don't always use their top speed when fighting people.

wolverine saying " no one can be that fast" alone is enough of a proof

Originally posted by ringtones
wolverine saying " no one can be that fast" alone is enough of a proof

No, it's not.

Originally posted by Silent Master
And Thor has fought people faster than Wolverine and their speed wasn't too much.

IOW, you're hanging your entire argument on a low-end showing.

except when gladiator decided to use his speed..he blitzed the shit outta thor

surfer doesn't use his speed normally

Gorgon has less than 30 appearances. Omega Red has maybe close to 100. They aren't Batman, or Captain America who have 1000s of appearances under their belt where certain showings can fall through the cracks, if you don't know what Gorgon can do, it's because you haven't made an effort to read his appearances... and that isn't infuriating.

Please, I've read every Thor appearance. Some of those Thor "speed feats" listed eariler only got included after I brought them up in one of the Wolverine vs Thor threads where there was an in depth debate between Onedumb and myself (and likely jnizin) over who was faster, where we actually compared analyzed each speed feat ad nauseam.

Seriously, it's amazing that no one can support the duo without A.) Focusing on Wolvie's and Thor's tussle and pretending it's like the be-all and end-all of Thor's fighting prowess ever. Or B.) Throwing random Logan feats out there and saying "Well, Gorgon and OR are as fast/faster than he is, so they win".

Let OR and Gorgon stand on their own feet without using Logan's feats to support them.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And yet...

Thor has fought faster people than Logan and made no such concession. Regardless of their fighting prowess/H2H ability/etc. Thor has battled peopled who move faster than Logan could ever hope to react. And despite that concession, he still managed to grab him and throw him. Statements are good and nice, but when they contradict or don't flow with the majority of his showings/history as a whole...well, take it as you will.

And again, ironically, we've made this thread about Wolverine when it's actually about two characters that no one seems to be showing any proof of them being able to do half the things they claim they can. Limited appearances or not, they have them.

no

its only fast if I hit surfer WHILRE he's moving superfast

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I understand if you're at school/work/busy/etc. But don't tell me vague or generalized abilities of characters you're backing in this fight without some kind of concrete proof on your end. Issue numbers, specific examples of stuff you think is important, etc. Getting agitated because someone wants proof of what you're claiming isn't the answer here, pal. Why should I do your job for you? I'll wager you don't read Thor appearances as a whole and I don't expect you to read them them all, either. Friendly suggestion that you should, though.

If you don't know or are unwilling to accept what Thor has done, perhaps you shouldn't post in this thread?

Gorgon has less than 30 appearances. Omega Red has maybe close to 100. They aren't Batman, or Captain America who have 1000s of appearances under their belt where certain showings can fall through the cracks, if you don't know what Gorgon can do, it's because you haven't made an effort to read his appearances... and that is infuriating.

Please, I've read every Thor appearance. I have the internet after all. Hell, some of those Thor "speed feats" listed eariler only got included after I brought them up in one of the Wolverine vs Thor threads where there was an in depth debate between Onedumb and myself (and likely jnizin) over who was faster, where we actually compared analyzed each speed feat ad nauseam.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, it's not.

alright i see you are owned already next time read something aabout the characters you are debating against

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Gorgon has less than 30 appearances. Omega Red has maybe close to 100. They aren't Batman, or Captain America who have 1000s of appearances under their belt where certain showings can fall through the cracks, if you don't know what Gorgon can do, it's because you haven't made an effort to read his appearances... and that isn't infuriating.

Please, I've read every Thor appearance. Some of those Thor "speed feats" listed eariler only got included after I brought them up in one of the Wolverine vs Thor threads where there was an in depth debate between Onedumb and myself (and likely jnizin) over who was faster, where we actually compared analyzed each speed feat ad nauseam.

Ok? And? They have less appearances. This makes having to show their feats or specifically cite them difficult...why?

Selective reading doesn't count.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Seriously, it's amazing that no one can support the duo without A.) Focusing on Wolvie's and Thor's tussle and pretending it's like the be-all and end-all of Thor's fighting prowess ever. Or B.) Throwing random Logan feats out there and saying "Well, Gorgon and OR are as fast/faster than he is, so they win".

Let OR and Gorgon stand on their own feet without using Logan's feats to support them.

OR and Gorgon have very few showings

so logan is a good proxy to use

Originally posted by Starscream M
so if I hit silver surfer while he's walking, does that prove Im fast?

no

its only fast if I hit surfer WHILRE he's moving superfast

Which Thor has done. Thor's hit people while they're moving superfast. He's moved faster than the human eye can see (as has Wolverine). He's reacted in the span of milliseconds and instantly responded to attacks which are FTL. What aren't you getting?

Originally posted by Starscream M
thats ridiculous comment

OR and Gorgon have very few showings

so logan is a good proxy to use

Then show those few showings. I mean, Jesus. That makes it easier for you guys.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Which Thor has done. Thor's hit people while they're moving superfast. He's moved faster than the human eye can see (as has Wolverine). He's reacted in the span of milliseconds and instantly responded to attacks which are FTL. What aren't you getting?

that fight showed that logan outclasses thor in speed

but because you don't like that, being the devoted thorbag that you are, you call it PIS 😬

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Then show those few showings. I mean, Jesus. That makes it easier for you guys.

Originally posted by Starscream M
thor has never fought someone using their speed

except when gladiator decided to use his speed..he blitzed the shit outta thor

surfer doesn't use his speed normally

Thor can and has tagged a Quciksilver who was using his speed and QS is >>>>>>>> Wolverine in speed.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Seriously, it's amazing that no one can support the duo without A.) Focusing on Wolvie's and Thor's tussle and pretending it's like the be-all and end-all of Thor's fighting prowess ever. Or B.) Throwing random Logan feats out there and saying "Well, Gorgon and OR are as fast/faster than he is, so they win".

Let OR and Gorgon stand on their own feet without using Logan's feats to support them.

Its easy... him blitzing both elektra and Wolvy before they got the chance to react. Him slicing bullets out of the air... him being at least a mile away and blitzing behind Wolverine almost instantly and him blitzing yoyo who's top speed has shown to be at 2000 mps...all of his INSANE after images that he has created... etc, etc. I could post feats that I know for a FACT you won't find anything similar with Thor.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Which Thor has done. Thor's hit people while they're moving superfast. He's moved faster than the human eye can see (as has Wolverine). He's reacted in the span of milliseconds and instantly responded to attacks which are FTL. What aren't you getting?

Wolverine's hit people while they were moving super fast, as well. The time it takes Wolverine to chamber and throw a punch has been documented as .038 seconds, Danger clocked his combat speed at .03 seconds on separate occasion, and he has stated his instinct are faster than the speed of thought (300 milliseconds). He has also dodged and blocked several "FTL" attacks. Gorgon is faster than Wolverine.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor can and has tagged a Quciksilver who was using his speed and QS is >>>>>>>> Wolverine in speed.

So has Captain America.... 🙄