The Gorgon and Omega Red vs Thor in Melee Fight

Originally posted by Starscream M
what Im not getting is how you can so conveniently dismiss the thor vs logan fight, which after all, is MOST relevant here

that fight showed that logan outclasses thor in speed

but because you don't like that, being the devoted thorbag that you are, you call it PIS 😬

I'm not dismissing it. I've acknowledged it. I also acknowledge the numerous times Thor has moved with super speed and displayed high end reaction time. And how is the that the most relevant here? Because of Wolverine and Wolverine is connected/affiliated with Gorgon and Omega Red?

What you and others are doing are clinging to all the low end showings you can find of Thor and dismissing or making excuses for the times where he has displayed speed. If that's not low balling, nothing is.

So I'm a Thorbag, now, huh? Lol.

Originally posted by ringtones
alright i see you are owned already next time read something aabout the characters you are debating against

Again, Thor said something similar about Wolverine. Yet he was able to grab him and he's also tagged people faster than Wolverine. So there goes the idea that a statement is proof as superior speed.

Hell, QS has made a statement before about Cap being almost as fast as him, are you telling me that, that statement is proof that Cap has superspeed?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So has Captain America.... 🙄

So, speed feats only count when they help your side?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm not dismissing it. I've acknowledged it. I also acknowledge the numerous times Thor has moved with super speed and displayed high end reaction time. And how is the that the most relevant here? Because of Wolverine and Wolverine is connected/affiliated with Gorgon and Omega Red?

What you and others are doing are clinging to all the low end showings you can find of Thor and dismissing or making excuses for the times where he has displayed speed. If that's not low balling, nothing is.

So I'm a Thorbag, now, huh? Lol.

Originally posted by carver9
Its easy... him blitzing both elektra and Wolvy before they got the chance to react. Him slicing bullets out of the air... him being at least a mile away and blitzing behind Wolverine almost instantly and him blitzing yoyo who's top speed has shown to be at 2000 mps...all of his INSANE after images that he has created... etc, etc. I could post feats that I know for a FACT you won't find anything similar with Thor.

Thor's caught missiles out of the air, deflected bullets and god knows what other projectiles, caught Hermes when a legit light speeder couldn't, sidestepped a possessed Mjolnir which didn't obey his commands or caught it outright numerous times, left behind "after images", reacting instantly, etc.

You don't like those feats or have this notion that they must be done to the Wolverine Standard that it's obviously being implied here.

Originally posted by Starscream M
show me a scan of wolverine saying thor is too fast for him and I'll concede

Thor's strength > Spider-man

Thor rips him apart 😱

Originally posted by Starscream M
show me a scan of wolverine saying thor is too fast for him and I'll concede

Show me a scan of Wolverine saying that the Flash is too fast for him or concede that Wolverine is faster.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I can show you a scan where Wolverine says Spider-man could break his neck 🙂

Originally posted by Starscream M
and that would be relevant how? 🙄

Can Spider-man break Wolverine's neck?

Originally posted by Starscream M
and that would be relevant how? 🙄

Originally posted by Starscream M
show me a scan of wolverine saying thor is too fast for him and I'll concede

Show me any relevant Omega Red or Gorgan scans. 😬

Originally posted by Silent Master
Show me a scan of Wolverine saying that the Flash is too fast for him or concede that Wolverine is faster.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, speed feats only count when they help your side?

No, but it just so happens the "speed feats" you guys have been citing are largely unquantifiable and of little relevance. Ignoring the fact that Thor never actually hit Quicksilver, and what he did was smash the ground and then pounce on him will he was stunned, your proposition that Thor is faster than Wolverine because he tagged Quicksilver (which again is a disingenuous statement), also means that Captain America must also be faster than Wolverine... which he isn't.

Wolverine has been cited on panel on seperate occastions to be faster than Thor. Faster than Hulk. Faster than Namor. Faster than Hercules.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Flash has no relation to anything in this fight

Neither does Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No, but it just so happens the "speed feats" you guys have been citing are largely unquantifiable and of little relevance. Ignoring the fact that Thor never actually hit Quicksilver, and what he did was smash the ground and then pounce on him will he was stunned, your proposition that Thor is faster than Wolverine because he tagged Quicksilver (which again is a disingenuous statement), also means that Captain America must also be faster than Wolverine.

I'm taking about during the Kang War and Thor could easily use the same tactic(ground smash) that he used in the one your talking about. If it worked on QS, it should work even better on these two.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Neither does Wolverine.

wolverine is very relevant in this fight as he has fought both parties in this fight

he got reamed by gorgon and OR and he actually gave thor more than he could handle due mainly to his speed and skills

so logan is a good gauge to measure where the people stand

Originally posted by Silent Master
Neither does Wolverine.

I'm taking about during the Kang War and Thor could easily use the same tactic(ground smash) that he used in the one your talking about. If it worked on QS, it should work even better on these two.

Except Wolverine is relevant to the topic.

You mean Kang Dynasty? Except both Gorgon and Omega Red have much higher damage soak as well as healing factors, they wouldn't have been stunned long enough for Thor to capitalize on them being knocked over.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
They wouldn't have been stunned long enough for Thor to capitalize on them being knocked over.

Based on what?

What durability showings do either of them have to suggest they wouldn't be stunned?

What durability showings do either of them have to suggest whether or not they can shrug off Mjolnir strikes?

Originally posted by Starscream M
lol i hope you're not serious

wolverine is very relevant in this fight as he has fought both parties in this fight

he got reamed by gorgon and OR and he actually gave thor more than he could handle due mainly to his speed and skills

so logan is a good gauge to measure where the people stand

Prove that Wolverine was using his "faster than Thor" speed in the Gorgon fight.

I agree that if a character has elsser appereances we can more or less only go by stuff of others, if the character doesn't really has any "own" feats, BUT I don't think we can go and say "Let's use ALL of Wolverine's speed feats even his most impressive and put a big fat + after it and use them as avarage feats of charcter B" Is there 100% proof that Wolverine used 100% of his own potential? There are lot's of moments in comics where slower people tag faster one's.

And on an average I would agree that Wolverine in general uses his speed better than Thor.

going by the Highest feats | Lowest low showing balance scale.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I agree that if a character has elsser appereances we can more or less only go by stuff of others, if the character doesn't really has any "own" feats, BUT I don't think we can go and say "Let's use ALL of Wolverine's speed feats even his most impressive and put a big fat + after it and use them as avarage feats of charcter B" Is there 100% proof that Wolverine used 100% of his own potential? There are lot's of moments in comics where slower people tag faster one's.

And on an average I would agree that Wolverine in general uses his speed better than Thor.

going by the Highest feats | Lowest low showing balance scale.

It's not that they don't have speed feats it's that the feats they have are largely only quantifiable in their relationship with Wolverine or other established characters like DD or Eleketra. We know how fast Wolverine is, therefor we know roughly what someone cited as being faster than him should be capable of. Gorgon's largely only fought Wolverine, and the Secret Warriors and none of the Secret Warriors have given him much of a fight. We need to use the character's he is established as being better than as a point of reference.