The Gorgon and Omega Red vs Thor in Melee Fight

Started by TricksterPriest117 pages

Wow, is everyone giving street levelers the nod over Thor? Unlike in the old days, Thor doesn't hold back much anymore. He's more than fast enough to dodge their attacks. And going toes with Thor? Thor's still a great brawler and he hits about as hard as Hulk, if not higher. It only takes one big hammer toss or swing, and both these guys will be dead or KOed. They're not fast enough to dodge him, and they're not strong enough to go toes with him. Death spore probably won't work. Nor will petrification.

One does not enrage the god of Thunder lightly.

Originally posted by jinzin
No, but then again that wasn't the basis for my argument, and if you think somehow that it was, then it's little wonder that you're asking others about comic book interpretation.

1. In character: could be to get ahold of his mane in order to get in better position for a more effective strike. Striking from a superior position is hard to do if the person under you offsets your base. Stabbing Creed in the back would do little to beat him.
In reality: Because both Thor and Sabretooth are established Marvel characters and as such Wolverine as to be toned down as much as the next guy.
2. Is more commonly what? Related to a strike I'm guessing? I would agree with you if it wasn't for the context of the rest of the issue. In fact I did agree with you the first time I skimmed the fight.
3. Again, Thor was already wounded a couple of times during that fight, Wolverine wouldn't necessarily have to attack him to make him yell out. He was obviously bothered by his wounds. OOORRRRR there was the other part of my argument which related to the noise being that of frustration or surprise, which is plausible.

Uh, no it's not.
To anyone skimming the issue maybe. To anyone reading it, not so much.

Except that there also was. 😐

Then I will ask again, why would he be more concerned with being cut than being stabbed?
That's ILLOGICAL.

No. It isn't.
And it's not even a point that he wasn't nursing his back, but that he WAS nursing his ribs.

There's no logical reason he'd be more hurt by a glancing shot to the ribs than being stabbed in the back simple as.

They don't. It's just that every wound Wolverine made, every shot he landed, WAS emphasized during the coarse of the fight, WITH THE EXCEPTION of Wolverine supposedly stabbing Thor in the back.
You think that's coincidence?
Yeah... 🙄 And I remember all the other coincidences that came up the last time Wolverine cut Thor up.

There are reasons, just not logical one as they pretain to Wolverine in that moment.
You know Wolverine was tanking WWH punches to the face and it wasn't causing his claws to auto retract right?
3rd point... eh I'll give you that, but again it's pretty convenient for your argument.

Not really. As Sran already pointed out, if you were stabbed and bleeding out being hit with a pillow or feather wouldn't hurt you, but you still wouldn't be ok.

True enough.

That's an irrelivent example as I don't have indestructible blades capible of cutting through anything.

Well that would be a pretty uneducated equally bias viewpoint.
Again, I used to think Wolverine DID stab him, but after more thought on the matter and a more in depth review I began to think that wasn't the case.

WHY would Wolverine aim for solid bone? Your argument beckons motive to be discussed here, but Creed had a wealth of appearances with an Adamantium skeleton, if Wolverine was trying to stab Creed what would be his motive to bypass organs, and go straight for his shoulder blades instead which may or may not be covered in Adamantium and probably would be if Sabretooth had another upgrade? Again, illogical.

BECAUSE he was hit with Mjolnir... the force of which likely liquified all his organs on impact.
It doesn't matter if he knew what he was being hit with, that's not the point, the point is that he would be in a bad state WHILE being hit with Mjolnir, so it hardly makes sense that he would rationalize himself into doing something that he doesn't usually do and retract his claws for fear of a bad landing. Again, illogical.

😐

No they don't...

People tend to panic while falling, often opting to push out towards the ground.

It's why we have to spend so much time teaching breakfalling to people who don't know how to fall in judo, otherwise there would be tons of broken arms and wrists in beginners class.

No reason other than the fact that he'd probably have a hard time rationalizing a plan as he was hit with Mjolnir, by someone he thought was Creed who he knows he can't afford to stop attacking for fear of Creed's counter. No reason except for the fact that he's well adept with his claws and has tons of fights running/jumping/falling/being hit with C100 blows and NOT retracting his claws on point of impact.
Again, illogical .

No.... 😐
I've been stabbed in the wrist, and I've had my wrist/arm cut. There was a wealth of difference between the two, but only one of those had me unable to use my hand and rushing off to the hospital.

Reaching for his back, reaching over his shoulder... a number of ways... don't pretend that they had "no choice" because they didn't want Thor to look silly.. now you're being silly.

As I've pointed out.. no.. it isn't.

It seems fairly obvious to me he is stabbing Thor in the back - would make a lot more sense. Doesn't make sense to punch Creed with your claws retracted since the scan you proviced is pretty much the only time he's ever done that. Also, I doubt that the writer was intending to have Thor cry out in pain because his body was being controrted a certain way. Just doesn't seem to be the most likely intepretation but you never know. There's definately no way he's trying to grab him. The artwork clearly depicts striking...and if that's not what the artwork is trying to do then the artist failed epically. Don't know why this is being argued...it's pretty irrelivant. Wolverine can cut Thor. We all know that now. We don't know if he can go through muscle though. Not that it matters, a good strike to the eye or throat would still seriously injur or kill Thor.

Suffice to say, there's no way that Thor can punch at between 100 000 and 250 000 punches per second...which is about what it works out to if he can chamber and throw a punch in just a few microseconds. We've never seen Thor's combat speed anywhere close.

As far as the fight goes - If Thor manages to tag any of them before they get to him, they lose. Gorgon has a healing factor, but can he heal from a pile of zombie mush? That being said, Gorgon is capable of killing Thor with the adamantium sword and Thor doesn't have the feats to show he is capable of dodging him. I think that's pretty clear.

For those who think otherwise..has Hulk ever actually hit Thor? Well, if Hulk can hit Thor...then Gorgon can cut his throat.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wow, is everyone giving street levelers the nod over Thor? Unlike in the old days, Thor doesn't hold back much anymore. He's more than fast enough to dodge their attacks. And going toes with Thor? Thor's still a great brawler and he hits about as hard as Hulk, if not higher. It only takes one big hammer toss or swing, and both these guys will be dead or KOed. They're not fast enough to dodge him, and they're not strong enough to go toes with him. Death spore probably won't work. Nor will petrification.

One does not enrage the god of Thunder lightly.

again he isn't likely to one shot arkady.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
It seems fairly obvious to me he is stabbing Thor in the back - would make a lot more sense. Doesn't make sense to punch Creed with your claws retracted since the scan you proviced is pretty much the only time he's ever done that. Also, I doubt that the writer was intending to have Thor cry out in pain because his body was being controrted a certain way. Just doesn't seem to be the most likely intepretation but you never know. There's definately no way he's trying to grab him. The artwork clearly depicts striking...and if that's not what the artwork is trying to do then the artist failed epically. Don't know why this is being argued...it's pretty irrelivant. Wolverine can cut Thor. We all know that now. We don't know if he can go through muscle though. Not that it matters, a good strike to the eye or throat would still seriously injur or kill Thor.

Suffice to say, there's no way that Thor can punch at between 100 000 and 250 000 punches per second...which is about what it works out to if he can chamber and throw a punch in just a few microseconds. We've never seen Thor's combat speed anywhere close.

As far as the fight goes - If Thor manages to tag any of them before they get to him, they lose. Gorgon has a healing factor, but can he heal from a pile of zombie mush? That being said, Gorgon is capable of killing Thor with the adamantium sword and Thor doesn't have the feats to show he is capable of dodging him. I think that's pretty clear.

For those who think otherwise..has Hulk ever actually hit Thor? Well, if Hulk can hit Thor...then Gorgon can cut his throat.

Wolverine punches people with retracted claws in fights where he's been fighting WITH claws, ALL the time. 😐
Are you kidding me?

As for Wolverine trying to stab Thor, again, I would say at a glance that's what I thought as well, and it's what makes sense over the course of a battle, but it isn't what was depicted on panel, nothing conclusive was depicted on panel, and since we can't actually see what attack landed and where we're left to the context of the situation.

It makes NO SENSE for Thor to be nursing his ribs over being stabbed in the back. None at all. Can we agree on that much?

Originally posted by jinzin
again he isn't likely to one shot arkady.

Arkady has shrugged off Colossus. Decent. Thor's in another league. 🙂

He's also been dropped through 4 floors of rienforced concrete from altitude without a scratch, tanked bazookas to the chest like nothing.... weak compared to Thor I know, but his damage soak and healing factor are high end. He's been referenced as having unbreakable bones as well, and when he shrugged off Colossus' attacks it was while he was missing his Carbonadium armor, and had been captured and tortured for some time... He was at his lowest end while shrugging those shots off.

Thor isn't likely to one shot him just because "Thor's in another league".

BTW, Jin, do you see Orion having a hard time putting OR down? A pissed off Orion.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
BTW, Jin, do you see Orion having a hard time putting OR down? A pissed off Orion.

what is the relevance is this?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
BTW, Jin, do you see Orion having a hard time putting OR down? A pissed off Orion.

In a fair fight? No.

It's not, I just want to know his opinion.

Originally posted by jinzin
In a fair fight? No.

What do you mean a fair fight? Who takes out Omega Red easier? Orion or Thor? No Astro Force.

Orion I believe.

this is so funny how thor fans dare to portray him as some undefeated warrior when the facts are he is just hercules with extra powers and Lol at crusader beating him Lol and king hyperion actually blitz thor in that scan its just that it didnt do any damage to thor but even thor admited he tagged him so that scan just proves that thor can be blitzed by freakin king hyperion and of course... spider-man 😂

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
this is so funny how thor fans dare to portray him as some undefeated warrior when the facts are he is just hercules with extra powers and Lol at crusader beating him Lol and king hyperion actually blitz thor in that scan its just that it didnt do any damage to thor but even thor admited he tagged him so that scan just proves that thor can be blitzed by freakin king hyperion and of course... spider-man 😂

Pretty much. I have no problems giving Thor the benefit to say he's at top of the heap of Marvel Bricks and Bruisers, I have no problem admitting he's quite fast for a brick in his own right.
But a lot of his fans want to go around pretending he's Superman, and that's just.... that's not the Thor I've been reading. 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
Pretty much. I have no problems giving Thor the benefit to say he's at top of the heap of Marvel Bricks and Bruisers, I have no problem admitting he's quite fast for a brick in his own right.
But a lot of his fans want to go around pretending he's Superman, and that's just.... that's not the Thor I've been reading. 😕

i agree, when ever thor has 1000 fights where he gets beat up or taken out his fans always got excuses calling the writer biased or calling it a "weaken thor" but when thor is amped like crazy like in blood and thunder and when he has a freakin gem his fans are trying to make those feats as his ordenery feats and actually use those feats in thor debates

What fans exactly have tried to use B&T feats as Thor's average?

Originally posted by Silent Master
What fans exactly have tried to use B&T feats as Thor's average?

idiots like you and rage of course silly vanilly boy 😛

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
idiots like you and rage of course silly vanilly boy 😛

Post examples of us trying to use B&T feats as Thor's average.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post examples of us trying to use B&T feats as Thor's average.

Lol in case you didnt notice i said idiots LIKE you and rage which means fanboys like the 2 of you and of course rage posted it countless times, again your problem with understanding contex

please stop riding rages nutts you look like his puppy running after him posting after he posts you are humiliating yourself

now please post evidence of you not being a complete idiot unless you post some evidence you are considered an idiot 😛

optic_blast, personal attacks are against the rules, so please, stop.