The Gorgon and Omega Red vs Thor in Melee Fight

Started by Silent Master117 pages
Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
how is he going to do any of that if gorgon is a high level telepath? he will read thor mind know what he is about to do and just either counter/avoid that or just blitz thor before he does anything? all gorgon has to do is run and cut thors eyes making him blind and then they will just massacre him , with omega red on his side its an overkill

Thor has a very high level of TP resistance, you'd have to prove that Gorgon could get past it, then you would have to prove that Gorgon is fast enough to close the distance before Thor can hit the ground.

Thor still wins.

Originally posted by jinzin
*sigh

Thor didn't use super speed there. He got blitzed by Hyperion who just bull rushed into him and hit Hyperion off of him AFTER being blitzed. It's not all that impressive except as a showing of what he can tank in blunt force.

A super speedy Hyperion attacks Thor and gets knocked away right after. Thor stops a blitz from a guy whose shown nanosecond combat speed since we know how much the brigade loves using that logic. More impressive than anything I’ve ever seen Logan do.

And IIRC, Hyperion who thought Thor was a friend attacks in the middle of a conversation.

Originally posted by jinzin
😂 Bloodlusted... in the same page where Gladiator flat out states he's HARDLY showing his best while having a noncholant conversation.
Hitting flying debris isn't that impressive, the ninja turtles do it on Saturday morning cartoons. Gladiator was using some amount of speed that's unquantifiable and again BLITZED Thor. At face value Thor wasn't even moving faster than the speed of sound, at logical value it's still unquantifiable.

facepalm

Gladiator was sent to kill Thor at any costs. In the beginning of the fight, he tried to use heat vision to incinerate Jake Olsen. The fact that Gladiator exclaims Thor has hardly seen his best and then flies at him immediately does not help your argument.

Gtfo. Thor threw two swings before a Gladiator that is blood lusted covered a few feet. Once again far more impressive than anything I’ve ever seen Logan do.

Calling it unquantifiable doesn’t change that.

Originally posted by jinzin
It doesn't say Thor is punching in between microseconds, it says that his punch is landing microseconds before he himself would be hit.
It would be more quantifiable and impressive if we say him start from a chambered position and then land that blow in the span of microseconds... but that's not what's being shown. We see the effect of his punch microseconds before his hammer connects... It may or may not be a speed feat.

Okay, Thor isn’t punching within microseconds, his doing the entire motion within microseconds.

Originally posted by jinzin
And, if it is a speed feat it's 1 feat that's heavily outside of the majority of Thor's career.
It's as relivent as me bringing up that Wolverine can do hand springs, cartwheels, and flips, while attacking, down a straight line nearly as fast as speed demon can run. It's heavily inconsistent with his typical representation and not worth discussion.

😂

This is the kind of shit I love.

The brigade adores low balling Thor, mentioning his lowest showings ever (You even brought up the bullet from Priest’s run) but post his higher end showings that blow Wolverine's out of the water, and they aren’t worth the discussion.

You can spew whatever bullshit you need to, to justify Thor not stomping in your heard. 👆

Originally posted by jinzin
When he has to... like while being stabbed and beat on? 🙄 He has to A LOT more than several times in his career where he needs to be reacting at these microsecond speeds, or anything even REMOTELY close and he doesn't that's why it's in question to begin with.

Yes, when he has to. Thor’s speed is very depended on plot. I have no doubt that when a writer needs him to be, he’ll be slower than Logan, but Thor can just as easily be operating at speeds far beyond Logan’s in the next comic.

Originally posted by jinzin
No it wasn't.
It says that the blow was too powerful for a "sword thrust to intercept" which seems to suggest Heimball was attempting to intercept the Hammer but the power was too great to do anything about it.

The panel also clarifies a distinction between "the eye"
And a "Mere swordthrust by Heimdall"
It specifies one sentence to Heimdall while leaving the other to generalization.

Yes it was. The sword was up in the previous panels in a defensive mode.

Originally posted by jinzin
In spite of reading all of Thor's appearances.... riiiiight 🙄

I highly doubt it.

Originally posted by jinzin
Again Thor being attacked and then reacting to the attacker while they're STILL attacking him isn't a speed feat.

If Wolverine was as half as fast as you guys like to pretend he is in comparison to Thor, the Odinson wouldn’t be able to turn around and bat him away. That very comic contradicts itself. If the tables were turned however, you’d argue that Thor’s thoughts were not finished and he meant faster than I thought or some shit like that, no doubt.

Originally posted by jinzin
There's no blood coming out of Thor's back.
There's no damage to his costume in the back.
No Damage to his cape.
Wolverine's claws are retracted the next time we see them in the very next panel.
Wolverine already cut Thor with swipes.
Stabbing would have ended one of two ways with Thor stabbed, or with Wolverine's claws being pushed back up his forearms. Since he already cut Thor it's not hard to come to a reasonable conclussion on the matter.. unless of course you're a Thor fan I guess.

facepalm

So Wolverine hurt Thor because he hit him that hard? A character doesn’t go “ARGGHH” when taken by surprise by the way if that’s the silly route you want to go with.

We even see the motion lines that are nearly exact to the ones from previous pages.

And because I know you’re going to try and argue something as silly as “when he landed his claws were retracted so they weren’t used”, in the previous page, we see his claws clearly out, and they were retracted when he was in the air:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/wolvie_thor3.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/wolvie_thor4.jpg

Heck, Wolverine having the claws out before the toss, and them being retracted after it, is enough to destroy any of those stances.

Yes he does.

I was impressed with how far the Wolverine side was willing to go in order to
ignore a Thor feat.

They are desperate.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor vs The Crusader: Part 1

Thor vs The Crusader: Part 2

How about you post their next encounter? This was a battle of faith or whatever, and Thor lost because he was losing faith in himself due to the confusion of worshiping or whatever. Later on, Thor even said the Crusder prayed on his wavering self confidence. It was a weird showing of Thor's power level or at the very least combat effectiveness directly linked to his state of mind and/or worship.

Thor was even shocked the mortal blade could draw his immortal blood, attributing it to sorcery and such.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine vs The Crusader:

Notice the difference? That is about how much trouble Wolverine would have with Thor in a melee confrontation.

Is their any evidence that the Crusader is as powerful as he was when he fought Thor? His power level took a drop after their last battle from what I remember. I think he had some other encounters, one with Luke Cage and Black Knight, that would hardly be encouraging from what I recall. One shot villains always take a hit after the first appearance.

You probably actually believe that.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor has a very high level of TP resistance, you'd have to prove that Gorgon could get past it, then you would have to prove that Gorgon is fast enough to close the distance before Thor can hit the ground.

thor being able to penetrate elektras mind and wolverines at the same time and they both are very resistant to telepathy mainly elektra .. thor never showed more resistance to telepathy than wolverine and elektra proffesor x had trouble going into wolverines head while gorgon read him like a book without any trouble so my point is proven now post feats of thor resisting telepathy

as was stated before gorgon was shown to move and fight at speeds that people with super speed couldnt believe he actually cut a speedster while she was using her powers making people say no one can be that fast, on the other hand there is thor who as was posted got blitzed by a lot of people even people like wolverine who has low super human speed so thats why thorgets his eyes cut and hiw arms cut by gorgon

again you fail

Lol rage stop making excuses out of your ass the crusader owned thor and prove he was depowered after that fight with thorshow me evidence of him getting depowered after that fight you hypocrite

I'm not making up anything and I am no hypocrite. Read Thor #331. Odin explains what happened, Thor contemplates, and then owns the Crusader. The Crusader stumbles off defeated and weakened IIRC.

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
thor being able to penetrate elektras mind and wolverines at the same time and they both are very resistant to telepathy mainly elektra .. thor never showed more resistance to telepathy than wolverine and elektra proffesor x had trouble going into wolverines head while gorgon read him like a book without any trouble so my point is proven now post feats of thor resisting telepathy

as was stated before gorgon was shown to move and fight at speeds that people with super speed couldnt believe he actually cut a speedster while she was using her powers making people say no one can be that fast, on the other hand there is thor who as was posted got blitzed by a lot of people even people like wolverine who has low super human speed so thats why thorgets his eyes cut and hiw arms cut by gorgon

again you fail

Mr X had no trouble reading Wolverine and he's not a high end telepath.

So no, you haven't proven that he'll be able tp read Thor, not have you proven that he's fast enough.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Mr X had no trouble reading Wolverine and he's not a high end telepath.

So no, you haven't proven that he'll be able tp read Thor, not have you proven that he's fast enough.

this is ridiculous...what next, we have to prove adamantium can pierce thor too?

Originally posted by Starscream M
this is ridiculous...what next, we have to prove adamantium can pierce thor too?

Thor wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor wins.
k.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Mr X had no trouble reading Wolverine and he's not a high end telepath.

So no, you haven't proven that he'll be able tp read Thor, not have you proven that he's fast enough.

how is gorgon mister x? i want you to prove that there telepathy is on the same level

i have proved everything from gorgons speed to gorgons telepathy abilities now its up to you to prove

A . prove that thor is more resistant to telepathy than elektra and wolverine

B. prove that thor can speed blitz speedsters or hell show me any scan showing thor speedblitzing anyone who is above street level in speed

its up to you to do the proving so you either prove that or get lost

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not making up anything and I am no hypocrite. Read Thor #331. Odin explains what happened, Thor contemplates, and then owns the Crusader. The Crusader stumbles off defeated and weakened IIRC.

again how does it change the fact thor got owned by the crusader? it doesnt

i want to see the scan that tells that crusader is depowered after thor defeated him

Sock.

You're missing the point, you are trying to use Wolverine in order to prove the level of Gorgon's TP, Wolverine isn't a good measuring stick as Prof X might have trouble, but other less powerful TP users(Mr X) have been able to read him with zero trouble,

IOW, you have failed to prove the level of Gorgon's TP.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're missing the point, you are trying to use Wolverine in order to prove the level of Gorgon's TP, Wolverine isn't a good measuring stick as Prof X might have trouble, but other less powerful TP users(Mr X) have been able to read him with zero trouble,

IOW, you have failed to prove the level of Gorgon's TP.

you are avoiding me and not providing the things i asked you to prove, i asked you a simple thing didnt i? i asked you to show me 2 things, thor being more resistant telepathically than wolverine and elektra which bove have high telepathy resistance and specially elektra who is a telepath herself which means gorgon was able to penetrate a mind of a telepath now show me any feat of thor supressing that in the telepathy department

and i asked you to show me thor blitzing somebody with super human speed in a battle which means battle speed

unless you prove those 2 things your argument is nothing but a big FAIL

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not making up anything and I am no hypocrite. Read Thor #331. Odin explains what happened, Thor contemplates, and then owns the Crusader. The Crusader stumbles off defeated and weakened IIRC.

Crusader's powers are faith based, Thor's are not. The second encounter isn't exactly relevant, Crusader got deus ex machina'd. He was weakened, and had completely lost his faith by the end of the encounter. It took years for him to regain his faith and reforge his sword before he showed up again.

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
again how does it change the fact thor got owned by the crusader? it doesnt

i want to see the scan that tells that crusader is depowered after thor defeated him

I think it's Avenger's Spotlight where it states that Crusader lost his faith after his battle with Thor and spent years trying to regain it and reforge his sword.

Originally posted by optic_blast!!!
you are avoiding me and not providing the things i asked you to prove, i asked you a simple thing didnt i? i asked you to show me 2 things, thor being more resistant telepathically than wolverine and elektra which bove have high telepathy resistance and specially elektra who is a telepath herself which means gorgon was able to penetrate a mind of a telepath now show me any feat of thor supressing that in the telepathy department

and i asked you to show me thor blitzing somebody with super human speed in a battle which means battle speed

unless you prove those 2 things your argument is nothing but a big FAIL

You haven't proven that Gorgon's TP is good enough to get past Thor's resistance, nor have you proven that he's fast enough to cover the starting distance before Thor can hit the ground.

Which means that there is zero reason for me to humor you.