The Gorgon and Omega Red vs Thor in Melee Fight

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It was quite a massive building, and he did hold up a part of a building and break it recently.

Is that the one were he used webbing to help support the building?

Originally posted by jinzin
thumbsup

Fair enough.
Honestly, when I'm debating with a typical rival I have a habit of falling into those theatrics too. 😮
I know it's hard not to get emotionally motivated responding to these threads at times because everything in the comic world is open to a degree of interpretation and a matter of opinion. A natural result of dicussing inconsistent characters in hypothtical situations. This is why I tend to prefer "either this/or that" structured arguments in a lot of cases allowing for a reasonable conclussion on both sides of the debate.

BTW: Thanks for the compliment. 🙂

Bleergggh this is getting way too civil. I miss the good old days were we used to get into massive flame wars. All this politeness just doesn't feel right. 😘

I'm only joking....or am I.

Originally posted by jinzin
This is mostly reasonable.

I actually don't have a problem with Wolverine unable to cut through Thor's bones either. I think that makes plenty of sense, but if that's the case, again the rest of the issue doesn't.
Don't know if you've ever had a bone bruise, but they are excruciatingly painful. Having spikes plunged into your bones to any degree would be massive cause for this "nursing" Thor was forced into doing. 😬
Just sayin.

People often don't even feel certain injuries until well after the fact. Maybe Thor was plenty sore the next day? I dunno how long he takes to heal so. I've had my lip split right open and didn't even notice until I saw all the blood...in fact I didn't feel any pain until a few minutes after the damage had been done.

The most realistic scenario is that Tieri just didn't think things through...the sequence doesn't make the most sense to begin with. Why would a two-hander by Thor only send Logan 50-100 yards? He should be in orbit? The trajectory clearly shows Logan being struck with an upswing which should have at least sent him 50-100 miles away.

Nah, looks like he hit Wolverine downward.

And yeah, I've had my lip split open too, it's a flesh wound, not even remotely comparable to injury to the bone.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Why would a two-hander by Thor only send Logan 50-100 yards? He should be in orbit? The trajectory clearly shows Logan being struck with an upswing which should have at least sent him 50-100 miles away.

Wolverine knows how to brace himself from hits

If someone on Thor's strength level wanted to punch Wolverine into orbit, no amount of "bracing" would help him.

It's better to just realize that Marvel doesn’t pay much attention to physics when writing fight scenes.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yes easily mind you. Doubt red would even be moved by such an attack. He class 100 by the way.

Whirlwinds created by Thor? Not at all

The original Human Torch is easily taken out by Mjolnir's whirlwind.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Defendersstopped.jpg

The modern day Human Torch fares no better.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatFF42.jpg

A berserk Storm Giant fares no better.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CreatesGiantVortex.jpg

Thor creates a whirlwind with his hammer that has Namor completely trapped.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir26.jpg

Not even the Leir, the Celtic God of Lightning can stand up against the winds Mjolnir can create.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir156.jpg

The Ghost Rider fares no better against a whirlwind created Mjolnir.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/PinsGhostRiderVortex.jpg

Loki and a host of his duplicates cannot withstand the whirling power of Mjolnir either.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir25.jpg

Mjolnir can create whirlwinds so powerful it can blow away the Taj Mahal.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Createsdistasterseverwhere.jpg

Another famous monument falls before the power of Mjolnir when Thor uses a whirlwind to rip the Eiffel Tower to shreds.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Createsdestructioneverywhere2.jpg

Thor can create whirlwinds of such power that it can quell the flames of Surtur and drive him back with force so powerful, he has never felt anything like it.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsSurtur3.jpg

The team standing a chance of winning the battle hinges on Thor's speed, durability and combat effectiveness being at their lowest level while their capabilities are at probably the highest. If that isn't the case this won't be much of a fight at all.

Originally posted by carver9
He had on the belt of strength to pull that feat. He was 10 times stronger than his normal self. He could create shockwaves but not to that level.

Stop making shit up.

Originally posted by jinzin
Nah, looks like he hit Wolverine downward.

And yeah, I've had my lip split open too, it's a flesh wound, not even remotely comparable to injury to the bone.

Yeah, the art clearly portrays him being hit downward..hence the craters in the ground where Wolverine landed. But you know...it DOES look like he double-punched Thor. I mean, he's about twenty feet away from Thor when Thor is at the end of his swing. Which means he was moving hella fast. Which means he didn't have time to retract his claws. Damn, I should pay more attention to context. Or he does have time but he would had to do it the moment Thor made contact..which is possible but unlikely given the fact that He wasn't even hurt by the strike. He would have definately had to had retract his claws voluntarily because in order for him to involuntarily retract them, SIGNIFICANT damage needs to be done. And considering his resistance to blunt force trauma I doubt the damage was sufficient in order for Logan to involuntarily retract his claws. Besides, with the amount of force that he was swinging down on Thor with? That would have penetrated into the muscles...Thor would have been bleeding profusely..even if Logan hit the shoulder blades, he still would have torn up the skin enough to cause some obvious flesh wounds.

Gorgon and OR don't have the feats needed to win more than 1/10.

You know..I was reading on Marvel wiki that Thor uses the Odinforce to greatly enhance his natural abilities. He has super strength and ubber dense bones. But I never read anything about combat reflexes which allow him to move at light speed. Unless I just missed it...perhaps a Thor fan can point out to me on Marvel wiki where it says he had light-speed combat reflexes. Perhaps when he uses the Odinforce he can temporarily reach ubber combat reflexes but the whole freakin' point is that he's not allowed to use the Odinforce in these fights? So he gets his jugular sliced by Gorgon the moment the fight begins...

He doesn't need light-speed combat reflexes to beat theis team.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Gorgon and OR don't have the feats needed to win more than 1/10.

Really? Please provide scans that show Thor is capable of reacting to Gorgon's katana WITHOUT using the Odinforce. For all we know he was using it in every ubber reflex and speed feat that's ever been posted here.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He doesn't need light-speed combat reflexes to beat theis team.

Honestly, can you even show that Thor's combat reflexes are even close to Gorgons when he's not using the Odinforce?

Odd, seeing as none of the feats posted were of Odin-force Thor.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Really? Please provide scans that show Thor is capable of reacting to Gorgon's katana WITHOUT using the Odinforce. For all we know he was using it in every ubber reflex and speed feat that's ever been posted here.

What?

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
You know..I was reading on Marvel wiki that Thor uses the Odinforce to greatly enhance his natural abilities. He has super strength and ubber dense bones. But I never read anything about combat reflexes which allow him to move at light speed. Unless I just missed it...perhaps a Thor fan can point out to me on Marvel wiki where it says he had light-speed combat reflexes. Perhaps when he uses the Odinforce he can temporarily reach ubber combat reflexes but the whole freakin' point is that he's not allowed to use the Odinforce in these fights? So he gets his jugular sliced by Gorgon the moment the fight begins...

Stop reading wikis.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Odd, seeing as none of the feats posted were of Odin-force Thor.

I don't trust your word on that. But I don't read Thor so...either way he clearly doesn't have the speed reflexes that were being claimed by his fans. People need to grasp the OVERALL portrayal of the character not just snap shots of ambiguous statements and panels here and there.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
I don't trust your word on that. But I don't read Thor so...either way he clearly doesn't have the speed reflexes that were being claimed by his fans. People need to grasp the OVERALL portrayal of the character not just snap shots of ambiguous statements and panels here and there.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I've never read a Thor comic in my life. I have no idea how Thor uses the Odinforce or when he aquired it. But I do no that he's not capable of punching at half a million punches per second. Regardless of what one or two panels say.

I trust the Marvel entries over your opinion that he has lightspeed combat reflexes.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
I don't trust your word on that. But I don't read Thor so...either way he clearly doesn't have the speed reflexes that were being claimed by his fans. People need to grasp the OVERALL portrayal of the character not just snap shots of ambiguous statements and panels here and there.

Thor didn't get the Odin-force until after Odin died fighting Surtur back in 2001.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
I've never read a Thor comic in my life. I have no idea how Thor uses the Odinforce or when he aquired it. But I do no that he's not capable of punching at half a million punches per second. Regardless of what one or two panels say.

I trust the Marvel entries over your opinion that he has lightspeed combat reflexes.

Whatever measure of the Odin Force Thor possesses is incorporated into his very being with whatever heritage he got from his mother Gaea. The only time he possessed a level of Odin Force that would be considered illegal under these stipulations would be after Odin died, and he accessed it directly in Vol. 2, around the early 00's.

Half a million punches per second? Did you calculate some Thor speed feat or something? If so, kudos. I don't really care what the math turns out to be. Won't discourage me in any way from using the feat in this particular thread.

I don't think Thor operates at light speed in terms of reflexes. Not on a comic to comic basis. I do however thing he is capable of using his speed to the best of it's abilities when needed. And that might include at least one light speed level feat. I.e. his more than fast enough to tag Gorgon or Omega Red and rip them to pieces.

There is so much fail is this thread I don't even know what to think about it.