The Gorgon and Omega Red vs Thor in Melee Fight

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So has Thor.

Yes...and Wolverine and Thor have comparative combat reflexes..that's the point. Thor is not so far above Wolverine as to avoid is every stike. Wolverine doesn't look like he's moving in slow motion to Thor. Which is what is required in order for Thor's reflexes to be lightspeed. You could literally take Captain America, Hulk, Rulk, Wolverine, Namor, and the entire wrecking crew. Throw Thor in there minus the Odinforce and have him own all of them within the span of 5 seconds. That's the kind of thing that lightspeed combat reflexes gives you. It's taking Thor to a level he doesn't belong.

Except, Thor has far better high-end feats.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... Thor's dodged Hulk too. And this coming from the camp that argues that Wolverine aim-blocking lasers means he has lightspeed reflexes. This isn't hypocrisy or even irony anymore. I'm not getting sucked into this type of stupid any further.

Because we all think exactly alike. This coming from the same camp that interprets the fight between Rulk and Wolverine as a win for Rulk..even though Logan managed to cab back in time while Rulk was staggering around holding his eyes. The fight was still on but was interrupted. Don't pretend that just because Logan was knocked into the river that somehow he lost. There is never a specific radius that determines wins and loses of someone gets knocked beyond that radius. A winner is determined only if the character is knocked so far that he can't actually return to the fight. Which he promptly did.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
There is never a specific radius that determines wins and loses of someone gets knocked beyond that radius.

BFR.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Except, Thor has far better high-end feats.

That's illogical. Thor was clearly the slower of the two combatants when he fought Logan. Logan even accused him (believing he was Creed) to have traded some speed for strength.

So now the question is...if Thor does indeed have lightspeed combat reflexes, and Logan was able tododge Thor's finest blows with ease and counterattack to the point where Thor needed to use lighting to snap Wolverine out of it....what level of speed reflexes does that put Wolverine on? Beyond the speed of light? Either way, his combat reflexes, judging from this fight alone are clearly superior to Thor's.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
BFR.

Only counts if your opponent can't get back to the fight. Which Logan did.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
That's illogical. Thor was clearly the slower of the two combatants when he fought Logan. Logan even accused him (believing he was Creed) to have traded some speed for strength.

Illogical? Why? Despite it's decades worth of showings which support it versus the single Thor/Logan encounter? I think a majority of comics supporting Thor's speed/reflexes holds more weight than a single issue which doesn't. Even though Thor still managed to strike and grab Logan in said issue. So, iow, "I don't like it, it didn't happen?"

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Either way, his combat reflexes, judging from this fight alone are clearly superior to Thor's.

That's the problem. You and others are hinging your entire arguments for the team - and by proxy - Wolverine based off of that fight alone while willingly and admittedly ignoring Thor's own feats as a whole, which surpass what Logan has done. Per forum rules, combatants fight at the very best of their ability.

Willful ignorance of Thor is still ignorance of Thor.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
That's illogical. Thor was clearly the slower of the two combatants when he fought Logan. Logan even accused him (believing he was Creed) to have traded some speed for strength.

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/wolvie_thor4.jpg

Which is funny 'cuz according to Wolverine: Thor's speed > Creed's. 😛

While "less strength" can be explained by Thor holding back (obviously).

Can anyone pull any speed/skill feats for Creed? ;P

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
That's illogical. Thor was clearly the slower of the two combatants when he fought Logan. Logan even accused him (believing he was Creed) to have traded some speed for strength.

So now the question is...if Thor does indeed have lightspeed combat reflexes, and Logan was able tododge Thor's finest blows with ease and counterattack to the point where Thor needed to use lighting to snap Wolverine out of it....what level of speed reflexes does that put Wolverine on? Beyond the speed of light? Either way, his combat reflexes, judging from this fight alone are clearly superior to Thor's.

And yet, Thor still has better high-end feats.

Originally posted by carver9
Can you show me a scan of these tko?

I don't remember Rulk or Thor koing him with brute force.

Because that never happened.

^ What happened was Thor two-shotted Wolverine and Rulk one-shotted him. Let's not expand/promote the misdirection that carver9 unintentionally started.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
That's illogical. Thor was clearly the slower of the two combatants when he fought Logan. Logan even accused him (believing he was Creed) to have traded some speed for strength.

So now the question is...if Thor does indeed have lightspeed combat reflexes, and Logan was able tododge Thor's finest blows with ease and counterattack to the point where Thor needed to use lighting to snap Wolverine out of it....what level of speed reflexes does that put Wolverine on? Beyond the speed of light? Either way, his combat reflexes, judging from this fight alone are clearly superior to Thor's.

EXACTLY:

Wolverine's blocked lazers, jumped over living lazer in mid attack, "dodged" lazers by on panel narrative, "dodged" lazers by accredidation of other characters with pre-cognative abilities, "dodges" lazers by his own assertions, and moves as fast as human thought... Clearly he's a light speed combatant. 🙄

Oh wait, no, he's FTL because Thor fights at light speed, and apparently think's Wolverine's faster than he is.

It's pretty absurd for people to try and pass that entire fight off as irrelevant to a h2h scenario/comparison between the two.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ What happened was Thor two-shotted Wolverine and Rulk one-shotted him. Let's not expand/promote the misdirection that carver9 unintentionally started.

Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah neither of those incidents happened.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/wolvie_thor4.jpg

Which is funny 'cuz according to Wolverine: Thor's speed > Creed's. 😛

While "less strength" can be explained by Thor holding back (obviously).

Can anyone pull any speed/skill feats for Creed? ;P

According to Wolverine Thor's slower than Creed. Which makes perfect sense since according to that comic Wolverine is faster than Thor in h2h.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Phail. This thread is now approaching "Thanos stalemated Odin" levels.

😖

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Phail. This thread is now approaching "Thanos stalemated Odin" levels.

Nope. Those incidents never happened.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Yes...and Wolverine and Thor have comparative combat reflexes...

When has wolverine ever dug a trench faster than the eye can see, or swing a hammer faster than light speed?

^ Wolverine's blocked lasers a few times. Which Thor has done in every other comic he's been in. So Wolverine's faster AND he's light speed. Somehow. Pay attention!

Originally posted by jinzin
Nope. Those incidents never happened.

You've got a speckle of Rule #62 of Wolverithmetics: "If IDLI, I'll also just pretend it happened differently. Somehow."

Basically, lazer dodzing unless blatantly specified or proved to be a FTL feat is not FTL. It's simply far too much of a misused trope to qualify on its own.

Usually I'm cool with real life analogues for feat calcs, but for certain things it just doesn't add up within the story, and lazer dodging is THE prime example. How many peak human level characters have we seen be able to dodge 'lazers' so to speak?

At most it can be assigned as a high hypersonic reaction feat as you can comfortably assume that they (writers that is) at least intended the lazers to be faster than bullet speed.

So yeah, we all agree that Wolverine is not FTL in CQC, but what feats does Thor have that could possibly designate him as FTL in CQC either? Lazer dodging/blocking don't count.