Originally posted by CosmicComet
Well, are you saying Thor can move his arms at lightspeed or not?It seems you can't make up your mind.
No, he can't. What he can do, is start spinning Mjolnir, then allow Mjolnir's enchantment to take over, which then starts spinning his arm at light speed (or whatever speed it needs to go to enable the hammer to travel at greater than light speed).
Originally posted by Ize19
Seen and rebutted. Here you go:
Originally posted by Ize19
Not a bad feat, but, seeing how the guy who WAS hit by Mjolnir wasn't killed, or knocked unconscious, just hurt,
You do realise that the Hulk has been hit by Mjolinir and not been Koed or killed right? I think you could include Magog on that list.
Originally posted by Ize19
it doesn't look like that was a full speed Mjolnir.
It doesn't matter, even if its not at full speed its still pretty fast. Your the one whos arguing that it can go faster than light then anything below that including lightspeed is fair game.
Originally posted by Ize19
Here in this scan, Wolverine both dodges and helps Storm dodge one of Cyclop's optic blasts, which he sensed just a split second before it hit them:
He said he sensed the pressure wave, the laser wasn't inches from his face when he dodged. Read what Wolverine said again "A split second before the beam itself" Also Thor didn't sense anything it was pure reflexes.
Originally posted by Deadline
You do realise that the Hulk has been hit by Mjolinir and not been Koed or killed right? I think you could include Magog on that list.It doesn't matter, even if its not at full speed its still pretty fast. Your the one whos arguing that it can go faster than light then anything below that including lightspeed is fair game.
He said he sensed the pressure wave, the laser wasn't inches from his face when he dodged. Read what Wolverine said again "A split second before the beam itself" Also Thor didn't sense anything it was pure reflexes.
So Ares is capable of tanking a Mjolnir that travels billions of times the speed of light (which is what one return speed of the hammer is clocked at) to the head, without even falling unconscious? Thor didn't throw it that far, it clearly wasn't going full speed.
What are you talking about? Yeah, he sensed the beam, due to it's pressure wave, an instant before the beam arrived. And no, Thor didn't "sense" Mjolnir, he saw it, but he still registered it before it arrived, just like Wolverine.
Originally posted by Ize19
It doesn't matter. The fact that it was that way, shows that Mjolnir can pull Thor's entire body at faster than light speeds, I see no reason to believe that it can't pull his arm fast enough to create one of its time vortex's.
First of all, it does matter. Second, originally Thor threw the hammer, and that force propelled him. Then while in the air, he could change direction with his thoughts.
So you're saying that Mjolnir spins Thor's arms for him?
facepalm
Wow. And how exactly do you explain Thor spinning his body at those speeds? In the very scan you're using as evidence, Odin tells Thor to spin his body as fast as he can.
In some of the scans I posted, Thor is literally swinging Mjolnir around, arms bent and all.
This thread has officially peaked.
Originally posted by Ize19
Prove that it was forgotten? Yeah, there's those options, or Thor begins spinning his hammer, the enchantment on his hammer takes over, and it achieves greater than light speed, dragging his arm/sometimes body with it. Not really, it simply allows Thor to achieve feats that he is unable to match without his hammer.
The fact that has never been the case since. I don't think it ever was the case but this is for arguments sake.
Lawlz.
Originally posted by Ize19
You're the one making the claim that Thor moves his arm/spins his body at greater than light speed, so I don't see what needs clarification. And I'm sorry, but I don't think it's clear, what was shown was Thor spinning as fast as he could, it not being enough, and Mjolnir taking over to reach the speed necessary. If it was truly the strength of his arms, then why are there so many scenes where his arms are straight in front of him, stationary? Why does he always credit his feats to his hammer? I'm sorry, but you haven't proven your point yet.
Yea, completely disagreed with this silliness.
Thor can spin his hammer while holding on the thong. I do not see how this somehow supports your stance. It's how he operates. Mjolnir acts as nothing more than a conduit for some of Thor's innate powers but he almost always credits it. That is not an argument that disproves mine. There are scenes where Thor credits himse
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSurtur3.jpg
"As I whirl Mjolnir faster than the speed of thought..."
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/TransportHim2.jpg
"Now I swing him not once..."
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/SpinsMjolnir2xlight.jpg
"By swinging it at exactly...."
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir156.jpg
"Whirling his mystic mallet at dazzling speeds...."
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/hulkthor1fight5.jpg
"By merely whirling my enchanted hammer at prescribed...."
The scans exist. I just don't think it matters at all if Thor gives credit to himself or Mjolnir unless it's an obviously exotic ability.
I've never seen even evidence of Mjolnir directly amping Thor's speed in his vast array of comics or mentioned in any handbooks or bios. That seems to be wishful thinking, tbh.
I always figured it was obvious that Thor was the one spinning the hammer at the needed speeds for Mjolnir to activate his exotic abilities, not Mjolnir doing all of the work for him. *shrug*
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
First of all, it does matter. Second, originally Thor threw the hammer, and that force propelled him. Then while in the air, he could change direction with his thoughts.So you're saying that Mjolnir spins Thor's arms for him?
facepalm
Wow. And how exactly do you explain Thor spinning his body at those speeds? In the very scan you're using as evidence, Odin tells Thor to spin his body as fast as he can.
In some of the scans I posted, Thor is literally swinging Mjolnir around, arms bent and all.
This thread has officially peaked.
The fact that has never been the case since. I don't think it ever was the case but this is for arguments sake.
Lawlz.
Yea, completely disagreed with this silliness.
Thor can spin his hammer while holding on the thong. I do not see how this somehow supports your stance. It's how he operates. Mjolnir acts as nothing more than a conduit for some of Thor's innate powers but he almost always credits it. That is not an argument that disproves mine. There are scenes where Thor credits himse
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSurtur3.jpg
whirl Mjolnir faster than the speed of thought..."
"As [b]Ihttp://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/TransportHim2.jpg
"Now I swing him not once..."http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/SpinsMjolnir2xlight.jpg
"By swinging it at exactly...."http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir156.jpg
"Whirling his mystic mallet at dazzling speeds...."http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/hulkthor1fight5.jpg
"By merely whirling my enchanted hammer at prescribed...."The scans exist. I just don't think it matters at all if Thor gives credit to himself or Mjolnir unless it's an obviously exotic ability. [/B]
Well, to be honest, I don't think I'm going to change your mind on this one. This is a belief you've held for years, and my interpretation, which may fit the facts better, but which had never even occurred to you before (by your own admission) will simply have too uphill of a battle to fight. The fact is, in some scans, Thor, the narration, or others credit his hammer. In others Thor or the narration credit him.
I see all of the scans you post, and the scans posted in the respect thread, and almost all of them attribute these abilities to his mystical hammer, even some among the scans you've just posted. Another fact is, Thor's hammer is capable of self propulsion. It has dragged him through the air before, and sped up while it was doing so.
I can see how you can credit Thor spinning it at those speeds, though as Carver pointed out, just because his hammer attained those speeds while spinning, doesn't mean Thor was moving his arm that fast, but will you acknowledge that it is at least possible that Thor spins Mjolnir to begin, then Mjolnir becomes the motive power of the vortex, and carries his arm/body along with it? Is that a possibility?
Originally posted by Deadline
Oh man I don't want a scan war.He does have superhuman speed and reflexes...
Like how he does with superspeedsters?
I doubt he'll be gravely injured, even if he gets restrained OR is still attached to the coils and there are was of dealing with it.
No scan war necessary, just give me examples of Thor clearly fighting at superspeed. Not just singular reflex/reaction feats but a fight where Thor's speed is depicted as something that's above the realm of lets say, what Spiderman can accomplish in h2h.
I know Thor has superhuman speed, that much as been accredited to him on panel by narrative and proven. But a lot of street level guys have superhuman speed soooooo.
Cap negotiates speedsters, does that make him a speedster?
We'll just have to disagree on that last point. If OR picks him up of the ground he'll lose his leverage like Hulk did with Dock Ock.
Originally posted by Deadline
Whats scans with afterimages? So Doomsday doesn't have superspeed now?
Well that's not really a fair comparison.
Doomsday was accredited to fight as fast as Flash, which may not mean much by itself, but the notion was compounded by surprising Superman with his speed.
Compounded again when he fought too fast for Maxima.
Compounded again when he was once again accredited by being "too fast" as he fought Superman.
Compounded again when he tied Wonder Woman up in her own lasso and turned around to smash her into an oncoming Flash.
Some people have argued Doomsday doesn't have superspeed, but it's been accredited to him in a number of his encounters with characters who DO have superspeed reflexes and combat speed.
Originally posted by jinzin
No scan war necessary, just give me examples of Thor clearly fighting at superspeed. Not just singular reflex/reaction feats but a fight where Thor's speed is depicted as something that's above the realm of lets say, what Spiderman can accomplish in h2h.
I don't feel like doing it, you will find something wrong with the feat.
Originally posted by jinzin
I know Thor has superhuman speed, that much as been accredited to him on panel by narrative and proven. But a lot of street level guys have superhuman speed soooooo.
I think theres a difference between street lvl speed and genuine superhuman speed.
Originally posted by jinzinCap negotiates speedsters, does that make him a speedster?
Cap doesn't negotiate super speedsters, doesn't matter if it makes him a speedster its if he can.
Originally posted by jinzinWe'll just have to disagree on that last point. If OR picks him up of the ground he'll lose his leverage like Hulk did with Dock Ock.
So based on one example you've decided that Thor won't cope, that sound reasonable to you?
Originally posted by jinzin
Well that's not really a fair comparison.Doomsday was accredited to fight as fast as Flash, which may not mean much by itself, but the notion was compounded by surprising Superman with his speed.
Compounded again when he fought too fast for Maxima.
Compounded again when he was once again accredited by being "too fast" as he fought Superman.
Compounded again when he tied Wonder Woman up in her own lasso and turned around to smash her into an oncoming Flash.Some people have argued Doomsday doesn't have superspeed, but it's been accredited to him in a number of his encounters with characters who DO have superspeed reflexes and combat speed.
Feats against superspeedsters but you managed to find something wrong with every single example. Whats the probability of that, either its a coincedence or..
