^ Mods have already told you multiple times to stow your own attitude.
Declaring that Thor wins doesn't make everybody else arguing that Thor wins wrong. Pretending that nobody has made an argument why Thor is able to deal with Gorgon's speed doesn't make it true. And demanding that we make your own arguments for you isn't a winning strategy. That ain't our job.
Nobody even knows what you're attempting to do (other than venting your own butt-hurt). It's not our fault that the very behavior you're accusing everybody else of, "not proving Thor wins the majority," you are, in fact, the one most guilty of. You've reached an entirely new plateau of hypocrisy. Stow it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So dealing with a speedster = Thor can't deal with a speedster.
Virtually every character has feats of dealing with speedsters, believable or otherwise. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not it is accomplished through speed, and none of the examples were.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, you are. Transparently. Somehow Thor being able to grab a Hermes speeding straight into him = Thor cannot deal with a speedster speeding at Thor.
No, I'm not. I just happen to be aware of what Hermes actually accomplishments are, which puts a real damper in your strategy of shouting "GOD OF SPEEEEEEEEEEEED!" and hoping that is impressive enough to overcompensate actual showings.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
She was zig-zagging everybody else. in just two panels right before Thor seizes her. Reading comprehension phail.
She zig-zagged through the room, prior to making a bee-line for Thor. If she had continued to serpentine, she would likely have been able to elude capture.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Acting like Gladiator and Hyperion are beyond Thor's level is retarded.
They are beyond Thor's level of speed.
^ Because Thor relented, ffs. facepalm
Originally posted by srankmissingninYeah, and Thor doing it throughout his career =/= Thor can never do it.
Virtually every character has feats of dealing with speedsters, believable or otherwise. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not it is accomplished through speed, and none of the examples were.No, I'm not. I just happen to be aware of what Hermes actually accomplishments are, which puts a real damper in your strategy of shouting "GOD OF SPEEEEEEEEEEEED!" and hoping that is impressive enough to overcompensate actual showings.
She zig-zagged through the room, prior to making a bee-line for Thor. If she had continued to serpentine, she would likely have been able to elude capture.
They are beyond Thor's level of speed.
Go ahead and post the scan of Hermes battling Makkari. You even referenced it. Stop trying to bring Hermes down to Wolverine's level. It ain't working.
Yeah, I'm sure. Zefra zig-zagged around everyone with super-speed except Thor, means she didn't use her speed at all effectively when Thor caught her. Good job assuming your conclusion. Fact: Zefra is zooming around everyone. Fact: Thor catches her rather effoortlessly. This somehow means Thor cannot possibly react to a zooming speedster.
And they're not beyond Thor's ability to fight and defeat. Go figure.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Because Thor relented, ffs. facepalm Yeah, and Thor doing it throughout his career =/= Thor can never do it.Go ahead and post the scan of Hermes battling Makkari. You even referenced it. Stop trying to bring Hermes downt o Wolverine's level. It ain't working.
Yeah, I'm sure. Zefra zig-zagged around everyone with super-speed except Thor, means she didn't use her speed at all effectively when Thro caught her. Good job assuming your conclusion.
And they're not beyond Thor's ability to fight and defeat. Go figure.
I'm not sure what you are on about, I never said Thor can never do it, I said what you have cited has little to do with Thor's speed.
Hermes battling Makkari is two or three-panels, and then a narration box that says "This happened in less than a second!" I'm not trying to bring Hermes down to any level but the one he is actually on, and not your deluded exaggerated fantasy version.
If we are going to analyze the feat to death, she actually zig-zagged into everyone, and when she tried to bowl over Thor she got caught in his cloak.
They aren't beyond Hulk's level to fight or defeat either! FTL HULKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!! 😱
^ Whether it's speedsters actively rushing him head-on or from behind or trying to escape or dodging his lightning, Thor has put down every single one of them.
Somehow, Thor deals with speedsters and superspeedsters but he really doesn't.
Yet... Gorgon sneaking up on Wolverine and running him through from behind = Gorgon will zoom around a helpless Thor.
But... Gorgon dealing with a straight-line zooming Yo-Yo (I.R.O.N.Y.) = Gorgon will zoom around a helpless Thor.
The one pretending that a comic character is some Superman-level speedster beyond all reckoning is you. Invert some of your witless arguments onto Gorgon's amazing speed and see how you come out. Prediction: "Yeah but he blitzed Wolverine! I rest my case!"
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Whether it's speedsters actively rushing him head-on or from behind or trying to escape or dodging his lightning, Thor has put down every single one of them.Somehow, Thor deals with speedsters and superspeedsters but he really doesn't.
Yet... Gorgon sneaking up on Wolverine and running him through from behind = Gorgon will zoom around a helpless Thor.
Gorgon dealing with a straight-line zooming Yo-Yo (I.R.O.N.Y.) = Gorgon will zoom around a helpless Thor.The one pretending that a comic character is some Superman-level speedster beyond all reckoning is you. Invert some of your witless arguments onto Gorgon's amazing speed and see how you come out. Prediction: "Yeah but he blitzed Wolverine! I rest my case!"
I don't think anyone has said that Gorgon will be "zooming" around Thor. A character can be faster without being a complete landslide. Gorgon is faster than Thor, but he isn't the Flash. Gorgon has quicker reflexes, he has a longer reach with his katana, and he is a telepath. He isn't going to run around the field like Speed Gonzales, what he will do is come into melee and hit Thor first, and hit Thor more often from outside Thor's hit box with a weapon that can bypass Thor's durability.
Gorgon had his back turned with Yo-yo tried to blitz him. 😎
Originally posted by srankmissingninSame could be said of every speedster and superspeedster Thor has ever dealt with. None of that came to fruition. The conclusion isn't going to change now that we're dealing with Gorgon. Wolverine managed to score more hits on Thor also, and didn't come out successful (despite your ridiculous view of that fight). Gorgon kitty-scratching Thor to a lesser degree than Wolverine isn't going to win him this battle. And don't even pretend that Gorgon can achieve a finer slicing edge than Wolverine. Wolverine's piercing effectiveness is unparalleled.
I don't think anyone has said that Gorgon will be "zooming" around Thor. A character can be faster without being a complete landslide. Gorgon is faster than Thor, and the fight is limited to melee. He has a longer reach with his katana, and he is a telepath. He isn't going to run around the field like Speed Gonzales, what he will do is come into melee and hit Thor first, and hit Thor more often from outside Thor's hit box.Gorgon had his back turned with Yo-yo tried to blitz him. 😎
Thor's back was turned when Juvan and Hermes rushed him. I neglected to point out that when Hermes first rushes Thor, Thor's back is turned and by the time he's on his return route, he still hasn't squared up to him. Doesn't stop Thor from simply grabbing him by the scruff of his neck.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Same could be said of every speedster and superspeedster Thor has ever dealt with. None of that came to fruition. The conclusion isn't going to change now that we're dealing with Gorgon. Wolverine managed to score more hits on Thor also, and didn't come out successful (despite your ridiculous view of that fight). Gorgon kitty-scratching Thor to a lesser degree than Wolverine isn't going to win him this battle. And don't even pretend that Gorgon can achieve a finer slicing edge than Wolverine. Wolverine's piercing effectiveness is unparalleled.Thor's back was turned when Juvan and Hermes rushed him. I neglected to point out that when Hermes first rushes Thor, Thor's back is turned and by the time he's on his return route, he still hasn't squared up to him. Doesn't stop Thor from simply grabbing him by the scruff of his neck.
You are acting like Thor never gets hit, which simply isn't the case. Thor gets tagged. He gets tagged all the time. He spends the majority of his time slugging it out with low speed, low skill bruisers... but against Wolverine or Gorgon, he is now the flash and can't be touched? Please. The fact of the mater is that Thor's combat speed feats are inferior to top level streets. Should they be? That's a different question entirely, but for whatever reason no writer has decided to show case Thor's combat speed. There has been plenty of opportunity to do so, and considering he has had many of the same writers as Superman over the years, and those same writers have had written Superman speed feats, I would say the omission of these speed feats is intentional for one reason or another.
Wolverine never landed a direct hit on Thor during that encounter, and his glancing blows managed to break skin and draw blood, one can only imagine that a direct hit would be significantly more effective.
Originally posted by srankmissingninBS. I never said Thor can't ever get hit. I'm just dispelling the nonsense that somehow, a speedster's superior combat speed somehow equates to auto-victory because Thor has no reflex speed and is utterly outclassed. That's the exact opposite of his on-panel encounters with speedsters and superspeedsters (i) zooming him from all sides, with or w/o Mjolnir, or (ii) speedsters trying to avoid/staying outside of Thor's range and dodging his ranged attacks. Thor's reflex feats are superior and outnumber streets, especially when you pull in all the laughable garbage aim-dodging and aim-blocking feats. Thor's not zooming around striking millions of hammer blows. But he isn't helpless in combatting a character who's best speed feat, Thor has replicated several times over.
You are acting like Thor never gets hit, which simply isn't the case. Thor gets tagged. He gets tagged all the time. He spends the majority of his time slugging it out with low speed, low skill bruisers... but against Wolverine or Gorgon, he is now the flash and can't be touched? Please. The fact of the mater is that Thor's combat speed feats are inferior to top level streets. Should they be? That's a different question entirely, but for whatever reason no writer has decided to show case Thor's combat speed. There has been plenty of opportunity to do so, and considering he has had many of the same writers as Superman over the years, and those same writers have had written Superman speed feats, I would say the omission of these speed feats is intentional for one reason or another.Wolverine never landed a direct hit on Thor during that encounter, and his glancing blows managed to break skin and draw blood, one can only imagine that a direct hit would be significantly more effective.
The "glancing blows" argument. Predictable. Wolverine couldn't run Thor through. On-panel. He kitty-scratched him. Despite having a clear double-shot to Thor's back. Enough with the excuses. That nonsense played itself out in this thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=532477&pagenumber=9