Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So were Juvan, Quicksilver, Hermes, Gladiator, Hyperion, Zefra, etc. History does not paint Gorgon's chances of success based on speed alone in a good light. Right, Wolverine's speed helped him get two-shotted by a Thor who was holding back. A-maaazing speed. Your sh1tty strawman notwithstanding, Thor didn't need to be Superman when dealing with all the speedsters he's dealt with in the past on-panel. And Thor doesn't need to be Superman to beat Gorgon or Omega Red. QFT. Nowhere. The "most adamantium appearances were retconned into secondary adamantium" myth has been busted. Another pointless (but amusing) attempt to tangentially aggrandize Wolverine.
Juvan has no speed feats, he jumped over Herc once and talked some shit, and decked an unprepared Balder... assuming he is as fast or agile as Nightcrawler would be a stretch, pretending he is a speedster is just ridiculous.
Quick Silver was easily avoiding Thor's attacks. Thor got him by smashing the ground and pouncing before QS could recover. That is a strength feat. Against character's with healing factors and quick recovery times, that same tactic only resulted in him affording his enemy time to disappear and flank him, as Wolverine himself demonstrated.
Thor flew behind and grabbed the leg of an unsuspecting Hermes. Awesome? Outside running up a wall, blitzing Cap and holding his own against Makkari for a few panels, Hermes doesn't really have any impressive speed feats. We don't know how fast he is, all we know is isn't FTL based on his encounter with Photon.
A startled, newly created Zefra ran into Thor's cloak. Awesome? She might have been as fast as classic Quick Silver (max 300 mph)... but it wasn't a fight, and she had no experience with her powers at the time Thor managed to catch her.
Neither Gladiator nor Hyperion used their speed much against Thor... other than flying at him in a straight line. Awesome?
And how was Wolverine "two-shotted," by a "a Thor who was holding back." Thor was stated to be using his fiercest blows, so obviously he wasn't holding back, and Wolverine was never "two-shotted," he wasn't even injured. The best Thor could do with his most powerful blows was break Wolverine's mind control... Wolverine still ended the "fight" with a huge smile on his face.
Originally posted by srankmissingninYeah, he's zoomed around on-panel. Doesn't matter though, as by your own misbegotten standards, Nightcrawler is way more agile than Thor and Thor still handled Juvan with utter ease.
Juvan has no speed feats, he jumped over Herc once and talked some shit, and decked an unprepared Balder... assuming he is as fast or agile as Nightcrawler would be a stretch, pretending he is a speedster is just ridiculous.Quick Silver was easily avoiding Thor's attacks. Thor got him by smashing the ground and pouncing before QS could recover. That is a strength feat. Against character's with healing factors and quick recovery times, that same tactic only resulted in him affording his enemy time to disappear and flank him, as Wolverine himself demonstrated.
So Thor's lightning failing against Quicksilver's speed, but Thor meleeing and grabbing Quicksilver is somehow proof that Thor can't deal with Quicksilver's speed. Fine logic. "Thor himself easily dealing with Quicksilver (when his lightning can't) = Thor can't deal with speedsters, much less Wolverine." That makes as much sense as "Thor two-shotting Wolverine = Thor can't deal with Wolverine's speed."
Originally posted by srankmissingninHermes is the literal god of speed. Stop trying to drag Hermes down to Wolverine's level so you can drag Thor down to it. He's the equal of Makkari. And Thor took grabbed him by the scruff of his neck when Hermes rushed him head-on.
Thor flew behind and grabbed the leg of an unsuspecting Hermes. Awesome? Outside running up a wall, blitzing Cap and holding his own against Makkari for a few panels, Hermes doesn't really have any impressive speed feats. We don't know how fast he is, all we know is isn't FTL based on his encounter with Photon.
Originally posted by srankmissingninSo Thor catching a speedster rushing by him means he cannot possibly react to a speedster rushing at him. I see how this logic works.
A startled, newly created Zefra ran into Thor's cloak. Awesome? She might have been as fast as classic Quick Silver (max 300 mph)... but it wasn't a fight, and she had no experience with her powers at the time Thor managed to catch her.Neither Gladiator nor Hyperion used their speed much against Thor... other than flying at him in a straight line. Awesome?
And how was Wolverine "two-shotted," by a "a Thor who was holding back." Thor was stated to be using his fiercest blows, so obviously he wasn't holding back, and Wolverine was never "two-shotted," he wasn't even injured. The best Thor could do with his most powerful blows was break Wolverine's mind control... Wolverine still ended the "fight" with a huge smile on his face.
Right. I'm sure they were fighting at speeds lower than Wolverine. Fine job bringing the likes of Gladiator and Hyperion down to Wolverine's level now.
Thor's cracked open Celestials and knocked Galactus over. Enough with your faulty reliance over Thor's own purple prose. Wolverine ended the fight face-down in a crater. How you can paint that fight as ending on a good note for Wolverine is fantastical.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Quote the rule where it states that placing a fight in an arena negates the starting distance.
its called simple logic we are talking here about fighting arena and fighting arenas arent 5 km because that will cancel the purpose of a FIGHTING arena which intended to pit fighters in a closed place for people to watch them fight again you fail
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Couldn't have described you any better, except for the one time you stuck your foot in your mouth and conceded that Thor wins the majority.Of course, you just want everybody else except yourself to prove that Thor wins the majority. Because somehow demanding people make your own arguments for you means you're debating superiorly.
Hint: No, it's not. It's just exacerbating your own butt-hurt.
yet again you avoid the fact you got basically owned when you were asked to prove your points and prove me being wrong which you did non of that and instead you try to put some lame ass bullshit as your argument thinking you can just avoid the main subject which is the fact you are avoiding me because i owned you
Originally posted by optic_blast!!!Owned by who? A poster who concedes that Thor wins the majority? I have to prove to you, your own argument that Thor wins the majority because you demand it?
yet again you avoid the fact you got basically owned when you were asked to prove your points and prove me being wrong which you did non of that and instead you try to put some lame ass bullshit as your argument thinking you can just avoid the main subject which is the fact you are avoiding me because i owned you
Shut up. I've already posted scans, you haven't. I've posted a battle-zone challenge here in this thread, none of you nunces wanted to bring it. I declare that Thor wins the majority. Somehow, you declaring that Thor also wins the majority means I'm wrong.
Wolverithmetics ftw. Phail trolling is phail.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Owned by who? A poster who concedes that Thor wins the majority? I have to prove to you, your own argument that Thor wins the majority because you demand it?Shut up. I've already posted scans, you haven't. I've posted a battle-zone challenge here in this thread, none of you nunces wanted to bring it. I declare that Thor wins the majority. Somehow, you declaring that Thor wins the majority also means I'm wrong.
Wolverithmetics ftw.
and again you just twist the things up since my argument was that you have to prove thor being able to match gorgon in fighting speed which you didnt, then i asked you to tell me how even if he is able to match gorgon in fighting speed can he avoid getting his ass kicked by gorgons telepathic abilities to read his next move which again you didnt
so basically you didnt udress anything i pointed out you avoided it and then you bring up some lame excuse talking about my overall opinion which has nothing to do with the fact i called you out on those points which once again you avoid
you are pathetic seriously... you fool people by doing that making them think you actually debate but all you do is use all kind of ways to slip away once you are cornered because you are not even man enough to admit when you are wrong get out of my sight
^ Posting Thor's speed feats, dispelling all of the nonsensical straw-mans detracting from Thor's speed, etc. =/= never proving Thor can deal with Gorgon's speed. Just because you declare I haven't attempted to prove anything doesn't mean I didn't.
The only one failing to prove anything is you. You're trolling. That's the story. End of.
Poster A: "Thor sucks. He's stupid. Thor fanboys suck even more and rely on stupid arguments."
Poster B: "I say Thor wins the majority."
Poster A: "Ha! I say Thor wins the majority! You lose this debate!"
Poster B: ". . ."
Fine debating strategery right thar.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Poster A: "Thor sucks. He's stupid. Thor fanboys suck even more and rely on stupid arguments."Poster B: "I say Thor wins the majority."
Poster A: "Ha! [b]I
say Thor wins the majority! You lose this debate!"Poster B: ". . ." [/B]
poster A : my overall opinion is that thor takes the majority but i am sick and tired of thor fanboys saying that without any reason so i want to hear any reason for that
poster B : i dont need to give any reason he is thor
poster A : ok i will give you a situation tell me how can thor overcome that i want to know the reason why people just give thor wins on nothing but air
poster B : you just said thor wins the majority so whats your argument?
poster A : did you miss my whole point of challenging the thor fan(boy)s to actually prove there point? what is it with thor fan(boy)s and context? why do you hate it so much?
poster B : i dont understand much but i will go circles with you and not respond to the actual points until you get tired of this will leave and then i think it will look like i actually stood my point which i never had in the first place , oh ye and i have some complex with anal blood
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, he's zoomed around on-panel. Doesn't matter though, as by your own misbegotten standards, Nightcrawler is way more agile than Thor and Thor still handled Juvan with utter ease.So Thor's lightning failing against Quicksilver's speed, but Thor meleeing and grabbing Quicksilver is somehow proof that Thor can't deal with Quicksilver's speed. Fine logic. "Thor himself easily dealing with Quicksilver (when his lightning can't) = Thor can't deal with speedsters, much less Wolverine." That makes as much sense as "Thor two-shotting Wolverine = Thor can't deal with Wolverine's speed." Hermes is the literal god of speed. Stop trying to drag Hermes down to Wolverine's level so you can drag Thor down to it. He's the equal of Makkari. And Thor took grabbed him by the scruff of his neck when Hermes rushed him head-on. So Thor catching a speedster rushing by him means he cannot possibly react to a speedster rushing at him. I see how this logic works.
Right. I'm sure they were fighting at speeds lower than Wolverine. Fine job bringing the likes of Gladiator and Hyperion down to Wolverine's level now.
Thor's cracked open Celestials and knocked Galactus over. Enough with your faulty reliance over Thor's own purple prose. Wolverine ended the fight face-down in a crater. How you can paint that fight as ending on a good note for Wolverine is fantastical.
When did Juvan ever zoom around on panel? The closest thing to that was a green blur for one panel with he ambushed Balder. Anyway, I should hope Thor handled Juvan with ease, the kid never did anything.
Quicksilver smacked his head of the ground and Thor pinned him. He was injured and Thor pounced before he could recover.
I'm not dragging Hermes anywhere, but I do expect him to stand on the merits of his documented abilities, unlike I don't feel comfortable arbitrarily increasing his abilities because he is the "God of Speed." Thor ambushed Hermes grabbed his foot once while Hermes was minding his own business, and closed lined him on a second occasion when he was riding a chariot.
She straight lined into his cloak and he closed it up. If she had the presence of mind to zig-zag or serpentine, he wouldn't have been able to catch her. It's like Flash running into Deathstroke's sword, except Zefra has a reason for being so stupid.
I'm not bring Gladitor or Hyperion down to Wolverine's level, Marvel brought them down to Thor's level... so they wouldn't blitz his ass.
And Hulk has one-shotted planetoids larger than earth, and held together tectonic plates... and Wolverine's eat his best shots too... that's what he does. Thor hit Wolverine with his best shots, Wolverine shrugged them off, the fight only ended because the mind control was broken and there was no reason for them to fight... but Wolverine was fine, and Thor was injured. Wolverine landed more hits, took less damage, and was in better shape then Thor when the fight ended.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Posting Thor's speed feats, dispelling all of the nonsensical straw-mans detracting from Thor's speed, etc. =/= never proving Thor can deal with Gorgon's speed. Just because you declare I haven't attempted to prove anything doesn't mean I didn't.The only one failing to prove anything is you. You're trolling. That's the story. End of.
your side posted feats of thor which were adressed by our side and proved to be invalid showings of thor either using mjolnir to do the trick or it was flight speed but actual fighting speed was never adressed so until you bring something that actually valid to the debate you can post 100 scans per hour because random scans wont do the trick
^ Yeah, somehow, Thor winning the majority disproves my conclusion that Thor wins the majority. You're a genius and a troll. You should feel accomplished.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I get it....Step 1 = Ask for scans
Step 2 = Makes excuses for why they don't count
Step 3 = Claim it's PIS
Step 4 = Claim it's the hammer
Step 5 = Strawman
Step 6 = Ignore what the scans show
Step 7 = Claim scans haven't been posted
Step 8 = Ask for scans
Originally posted by optic_blast!!!you're being off topic and nonsensical...
poster A : my overall opinion is that thor takes the majority but i am sick and tired of thor fanboys saying that without any reason so i want to hear any reason for thatposter B : i dont need to give any reason he is thor
poster A : ok i will give you a situation tell me how can thor overcome that i want to know the reason why people just give thor wins on nothing but air
poster B : you just said thor wins the majority so whats your argument?
poster A : did you miss my whole point of challenging the thor fan(boy)s to actually prove there point? what is it with thor fan(boy)s and context? why do you hate it so much?
poster B : i dont understand much but i will go circles with you and not respond to the actual points until you get tired of this will leave and then i think it will look like i actually stood my point which i never had in the first place , oh ye and i have some complex with anal blood
Originally posted by srankmissingninRead a comic.
When did Juvan ever zoom around on panel? The closest thing to that was a green blur for one panel with he ambushed Balder. Anyway, I should hope Thor handled Juvan with ease, the kid never did anything.Quicksilver smacked his head of the ground and Thor pinned him. He was injured and Thor pounced before he could recover.
So dealing with a speedster = Thor can't deal with a speedster.
Originally posted by srankmissingninYeah, you are. Transparently. Somehow Thor being able to grab a Hermes speeding straight into him = Thor cannot deal with a speedster speeding at Thor.
I'm not dragging Hermes anywhere, but I do expect him to stand on the merits of his documented abilities, unlike you I'm not going arbitrarily increase his abilities because he is the "God of Speed." Thor ambushed Hermes grabbed his foot once while Hermes was minding his own business, and closed lined him on a second occasion when he was riding a chariot.She straight lined into his cloak and he closed it up. If she had the presence of mind to zig-zag or serpentine, he wouldn't have been able to catch her. It's like Flash running into Deathstroke's sword, except Zefra has a reason for being so stupid.
She was zig-zagging everybody else. in just two panels right before Thor seizes her. Reading comprehension phail.
Originally posted by srankmissingninYeah, you just tried. Acting like Gladiator and Hyperion are beyond Thor's level is retarded.
I'm not bring Gladitor or Hyperion down to Wolverine's level, Marvel brought them down to Thor's level... so they wouldn't blitz his ass.
Originally posted by srankmissingninTake your wovlergoggles off for just one second. This isn't a situation where Wolverine proves superior to Thor ffs:
And Hulk has one-shotted planetoids larger than earth, and held together tectonic plates... and Wolverine's eat his best shots too... that's what he does. Thor hit Wolverine with his best shots, Wolverine shrugged them off, the fight only ended because the mind control was broken and there was no reason for them to fight... but Wolverine was fine, and Thor was injured. Wolverine landed more hits, took less damage, and was in better shape then Thor when the fight ended.
F.F.S. Stop it. Infinite x facepalm