Originally posted by Starscream MDa phuck do you think was going on that entire fight?
are you suggesting that if logan wanted to, he can't stab directly into thor?seriously?
Originally posted by Starscream MRight. This thread is different from the half-dozen other bait threads.
you're the only one acting immature and butt hurt here. this is not a bait thread at all.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
BS. I never said Thor can't ever get hit. I'm just dispelling the nonsense that somehow, a speedster's superior combat speed somehow equates to auto-victory because Thor has no reflex speed and is utterly outclassed. That's the [b]exact opposite of his on-panel encounters with speedsters and superspeedsters (i) zooming him from all sides, with or w/o Mjolnir, or (ii) speedsters trying to avoid/staying outside of Thor's range and dodging his ranged attacks. Thor's reflex feats are superior and outnumber streets, especially when you pull in all the laughable garbage aim-dodging and aim-blocking feats. Thor's not zooming around striking millions of hammer blows. But he isn't helpless in combatting a character who's best speed feat, Thor has replicated several times over.The "glancing blows" argument. Predictable. Wolverine couldn't run Thor through. On-panel. He kitty-scratched him. Despite having a clear double-shot to Thor's back. Enough with the excuses. That nonsense played itself out in this thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=532477&pagenumber=9 [/B]
A speedsters superior speed usually means next to nothing because they often lack the accompany attributes or weaponry to actually do any damage to Thor, and he has a host of other abilities (like lightening and aoe attacks), that make up for his lake of speed. However, in this scenario he is limited to melee and his opponents have weaponry capable of bypassing his durability.
Wolverine couldn't run Thor through on panel because he never landed a direct hit, and his claws were retracted when he jumped on Thor's back. A glancing blow to Thor's side was a hindrance, six inches of claw penetration lacerations would have ended the fight.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/th_Wolverine83_0008.jpg[/] [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/th_Wolverine83_0009.jpg[/] [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/th_Wolverine83_0010.jpg[/]Daken didn't just shrug off the blast, the panels of him still standing are his consciousness communicating with the Norn, he got deep fried like the soldiers he was with.
That's nice, but I asked for the scans where he "eats a godblast".
^ It's lightning. Mjolnir and Daken are both literally crackling with electricity:
Originally posted by srankmissingninNone of the encounters I've referenced involve Thor's lightning. Except the one where his lightning attacks are useless because Pietro's too fast and Thor still manages to put him down. His durability isn't going to be "bypassed" anymore than it was against Wolverine. Wolverine > Gorgon in piercing. That's not up for discussion. Wolverine kitty-scratched Thor. Gorgon isn't going to be doing any better.
A speedsters superior speed usually means next to nothing because they often lack the accompany attributes or weaponry to actually do any damage to Thor, and he has a host of other abilities (like lightening and aoe attacks), that make up for his lake of speed. However, in this scenario he is limited to melee and his opponents have weaponry capable of bypassing his durability.Wolverine couldn't run Thor through on panel because he never landed a direct hit, and his claws were retracted when he jumped on Thor's back. A glancing blow to Thor's side was a hindrance, six inches of claw penetration lacerations would have ended the fight.
... great, now Wolverine was retracting his claws voluntarily. Unbelievable. Are you deluded? Enough with the frikkin excuses. Wolverine's claws were failing to do significant damage because Thor's that durable, not because Wolverine was failing to land blows or there was some imaginary retraction of his claws.
FFS. sam
Originally posted by OneDumbG0lol at your own internal inconsistency
Enough with the frikkin excuses. Wolverine's claws were failing to do significant damage because Thor's that durable, not because Wolverine was failing to land blows or there was some imaginary retraction of his claws.
if logan didn't retract his claws, then that means his claws went through thor's back as his fists were on thor's back
also lol at logan not being able to pierce thor even though he cut through ben like spongecake
^ I get it, you have x-ray vision and can see through Thor's body here in this panel to verify that Wolverine's knuckes are pressing against Thor's back completely:
What other superpowers do you have?
Wolverine literally failed to slice, dice, run through Thor on-panel. Who the f has the right to be loling here?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0not x-ray, common sense
^ I get it, you have x-ray vision and can see through Thor's body here in this panel to verify that Wolverine's knuckes are pressing against Thor's back completely:What other superpowers do you have?
logan punches down...so off course his knuckles make contact with thor's back...you'd have to do pretty complex mental gymnastics to rationalize otherwise, but you seem good at that 😉
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
None of the encounters I've referenced involve Thor's lightning. Except the one where his lightning attacks are useless because Pietro's too fast and Thor still manages to put him down. His durability isn't going to be "bypassed" anymore than it was against Wolverine. Wolverine > Gorgon in piercing. That's not up for discussion. Wolverine kitty-scratched Thor. Gorgon isn't going to be doing any better.... great, now Wolverine was retracting his claws voluntarily. Unbelievable. Are you deluded? Enough with the frikkin excuses. Wolverine's claws were failing to do significant damage because Thor's that durable, not because Wolverine was failing to land blows or there was some imaginary retraction of his claws.
FFS. sam
Other than the chariot rush and Gladitor and Hyperion, most of the encounters you've referenced don't even involve fighting. Hermes is minding his own business and Thor flies up behind him and grabs hims leg. Quicksilver is asking Thor to let him interrogate Loki... and Thor attacks him. Zefra is running around scared, and Thor traps her in his cape.
Gorgon's been given an Adamantium Katana for this thread, his cutting ability should be equal to Wolverine's but, but ordinarily I would agree with you that neither Grasscutter nor Godkiller would be on par with Wolverine's cutting edge.
Wolverine retracts his claws from time to time in combat... it happens. Lets not pretend that panel where Wolverine's hands are completely blocked from sight is somehow definitive proof that he tried and failed to cut Thor, because it isn't. Without filling in blanks from our imagination, what we actually saw on panel in that fight was Wolverine connecting with glancing slashes several times and drawing blood.
^ Juvan was fighting, Quicksilver was staying out of Thor's range (somethign you keep arguing Gorgon does), Zefra was trying to escape everyone (same concept), and yea, we agree that every other situation involved fighting. I fail to see how this isn't proof that Thor deals with rushing speedsters rushing him or trying to play keep away.
Glad we agree on that much.
Give me a break. "Lets not pretend that panel where Wolverine's hands are completely blocked from sight is somehow definitive proof that he retracted his claws and tried to punch Thor, because it isn't." What we actually know is, every single time Wolverine connected with his claws clearly, he didn't do much damage. There's no imagination involved with that. Why wouldn't it be the same when he tries to claw his back? That's a rhetorical question.
Originally posted by Starscream MYour flippancy is wasted. Good job pretending that you can see Wolverine's knuckles touching Thor's back instead of, say, being a claw's length away from Thor's back.
not x-ray, common senselogan punches down...so off course his knuckles make contact with thor's back...you'd have to do pretty complex mental gymnastics to rationalize otherwise, but you seem good at that 😉
But I imagine you prefer the idea of Thor crying out in pain because Wolverine punches him rather than Wolverine simply failing to manage to do much damage to Thor with a clear double claw strike.
