The Gorgon and Omega Red vs Thor in Melee Fight

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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Skrank's double standards are hilarious.

Keep em coming ODG. I'm enjoying this. I think I'll pitch in tomorrow.

After nearly 90 pages, the pro Wolverine side in it's -near- entirety have resorted to:
[b](a) Ignoring and dismissing tons -and I mean tons- of Thor's feats.
(b) Low balling Thor continuously.
(c) Pretending aforementioned feats do not exist.
(d) Trying to base Thor's entire performance on purely his low showings.
(e) Crying foul when we use the other end of the spectrum.
(f) Rinse and repeat.

^That's been their non stop strategy. Debating with Skrank and Jinzin is like debating with creationists.

Seriously, how the hell can you in one post base Thor's performance entirely on one showing, then a few posts later resort to "averages" and claim you can't rely on a few dozen showings. They hypocrisy is mind boggling.

Thank god Izlie provide a brief respite from the constant stream of stupidity. [/B]

So yeah, are you going to get back to me on those "writer's opinions?" I mean, you bothered to mention me by name (kind of) and everything, so surely you haven't forgotten. Because without that, my latest post on Thor's speed feats has gone uncontested, and your list should read :

(a) Disproving and matching tons-and I mean tons- of Thor feats.
(b) Insisting that Thor should fight as his average dictates.
(c) Reminding you that we've disproven and matched aforementioned feats.
(d) Pointing out that there was an actual on panel confrontation between Thor and an inferior version of his opponents in this fight.
(e) Reminding you that we said the "average" should be used, not PIS moments or low showings. Also, one of the scans recently posted showed a weaker Wolverine who wasn't knocked out, and another one showed only the very tail end of one of the most brutal assaults Wolverine's ever endured, neither of which prove the point ODG was making. And those are just the scans I'm familiar with.
(f) Rinse and repeat.

Lol, so you're an evolutionist? Explains how you can be so condescending and arrogant that you're right about something we've never seen and that is widely contested by reasonable people. And of course, your justification for this is to call everyone who disagrees with you unreasonable, except for me. Yay me 🙄

^ You haven't done squat to rebut Thor's feats. You backed down from battlezone challenges over matching them too. You're even ready to rest your laurels on speed feats from Gorgon which Thor and Balder share. You've done next to nothing and Rage.Of.Olympus is throwing you bone because he knows how completely he's tackled your nonsense. It's one thing to disagree, it's another to act like you're accomplished.

Also, "tail end of one of the most brutal assaults ever..." ??? What, Mister X?

And Wolverine was knocked out in every scene. Don't go all Starscream M on me and act like Wolverine wasn't waking up from being unconscious after being beaten on by Victor Hudson.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ "Tail end of one of the most brutal assaults ever..." ??? What, Mister X?

And Wolverine was knocked out in every scene. Don't go all Starscream M on me and act like Wolverine wasn't waking up from being unconscious after being beaten on by Victor Hudson.

Read the entire issue, I've debated this before multiple times. Wolverine was assaulted by Mr. X's personal army, subjected to stabbings, bullets, explosions, flamethrowers, and two world class assassins and X's superhuman bodyguard for hours, before taking on Mr. X that night.

Not against Hudson, against Roughouse. In fact, not only did Roughouse's two hits not put him out, but he wasn't knocked out even after being blindsided by Roughouse on the next page, when Roughouse smashed his head into the ground from behind.

Originally posted by Ize19
Read the entire issue, I've debated this before multiple times. Wolverine was assaulted by Mr. X's personal army, subjected to stabbings, bullets, explosions, flamethrowers, and two world class assassins and X's superhuman bodyguard for hours, before taking on Mr. X that night.

Originally posted by Ize19
Not against Hudson, against Roughouse. In fact, not only did Roughouse's two hits not put him out, but he wasn't knocked out even after being blindsided by Roughouse on the next page, when Roughouse smashed his head into the ground from behind.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Oh, this whole, "Wolverine's healing factor is the best evaarrrrr and he can never be beaten because of it cuz he heals right away!!!!" coupled right next to, "that fight doesn't count, because Wolverine's healing factor was completely and utterly taxed!!!" Let us all know when ya'll eventually take a coherent position on that inherent contradiction

Wolverine's healing factor has proven to be extremely powerful and efficient, and he has taken many shots from beings as powerful as Thor, and healed from them. However, when his healing factor is taxed for hours, and is bled out to boot, then it has less energy to run off of, and becomes less efficient, enabling him to be knocked out by human level opponents. Also, his healing factor was weaker back then.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
As I recall, he's knocked senseless and slumps which permits them to escape with Tyger.

Nope. He is neutralized, when Roughouse is directly on top of him, ready to knock him down every time he gets back up, but he isn't senseless, and Tyger isn't captured-Karma comes and holds Roughouse and Bloodscream still, while Wolverine stands and takes Tyger to safety.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You haven't done squat to rebut Thor's feats. You backed down from battlezone challenges over matching them too. You're even ready to rest your laurels on speed feats from Gorgon which Thor and Balder share. You've done next to nothing and Rage.Of.Olympus is throwing you bone because he knows how completely he's tackled your nonsense. It's one thing to disagree, it's another to act like you're accomplished.

Rage.Of.Olympus wasn't just referring to me, but to our entire side. Likewise, I wasn't talking about just the feats I matched or disproved, but that our side had. And why should I battlezone you? I've seen Jinzin go down that route before, match everything you post, and then had to watch you use your double standards to "discredit" Jinzin's feats, without subjecting your own feats to the same scrutiny. The only reason I posted the rebuttals I did, was because nobody had done that yet in this thread, and I felt it should be here for those who haven't seen the previous threads.

Oh, and thanks for setting me straight about my "accomplishments" lol. And here I was so proud to be recognized 🙁

😆

Originally posted by Ize19
Wolverine's healing factor has proven to be extremely powerful and efficient, and he has taken many shots from beings as powerful as Thor, and healed from them. However, when his healing factor is taxed for hours, and is bled out to boot, then it has less energy to run off of, and becomes less efficient, enabling him to be knocked out by human level opponents. Also, his healing factor was weaker back then.

Wolverine ran through Mister X's goons effortlessly. Those two "world class assassins" stabbed him a few times and were immediately tooled. That "superhuman bodyguard," Blok that engages Wolverine at the end? He missed with his attack, fell through a roof and was choked out with his own tie. Yeah... sounds like one of the "most brutal assaults ever." Hours later, redressed and ready for action, Wolverine shows up to get his butt kicked in H2H by Mister X. Trying to act like Mister X only beat him because Wolverine endured one of the "most brutal assaults ever" is an hilariously bad excuse that is neither portrayed, nor stated, nor suggested before during or after their initial fight.

In any case, what was Wolverine's excuse when Blok sucker-punched Wolverine and knocked him out cold in the Mister X/Wolverine rematch? Let me guess, Wolverine stabbing through himself, a clip of bullets, a single flamethrower blast, and a few stabs was again... one of the "most brutal assaults ever" that utterly taxed Wolverine's HF, amirite?

Originally posted by Ize19
Nope. He is neutralized, when Roughouse is directly on top of him, ready to knock him down every time he gets back up, but he isn't senseless, and Tyger isn't captured-Karma comes and holds Roughouse and Bloodscream still, while Wolverine stands and takes Tyger to safety.

Originally posted by Ize19
Rage.Of.Olympus wasn't just referring to me, but to our entire side. Likewise, I wasn't talking about just the feats I matched or disproved, but that our side had. And why should I battlezone you? I've seen Jinzin go down that route before, match everything you post, and then had to watch you use your double standards to "discredit" Jinzin's feats, without subjecting your own feats to the same scrutiny. The only reason I posted the rebuttals I did, was because nobody had done that yet in this thread, and I felt it should be here for those who haven't seen the previous threads.

Oh, and thanks for setting me straight about my "accomplishments" lol. And here I was so proud to be recognized 🙁

😆

Same schtick, different poster. Make excuses, act like proof isn't posted, act like Gorgon's two/three speed feats outnumber Thor's dozens, and pretend that Wolverine somehow came out smelling lke roses in his fight with Thor. He got humiliated and kitty-scratched Thor for all his vaunted speed advantages. How's a character with lesser piercing capability and fewer speed feats than Thor/Balder provide some insurmountable foe to Thor? Eyes. Be. Rolling.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Oh, so you're following up your "Wolverine's HF is almost impossible to overcome (except when it serves to excuse his beatdowns)" manuever with a "somehow, Wolverine during this period of his career wasn't portrayed right" excuse. How predictable.

So, how does my saying that he healed slower back then, turn into me saying that his healing "wasn't portrayed right"? Two different concepts, buddy.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolverine ran through Mister X's goons effortlessly. Those two "world class assassins" stabbed him a few times and were immediately tooled. That "superhuman bodyguard," Blok that engages Wolverine at the end? He missed with his attack, fell through a roof and was choked out with his own tie. Yeah... sounds like one of the "most brutal assaults ever." Hours later, redressed and ready for action, Wolverine shows up to get his butt kicked in H2H by Mister X. Trying to act like Mister X only beat him because Wolverine endured one of the "most brutal assaults ever" is an hilariously bad excuse that is neither portrayed, nor stated, nor suggested before during or after their initial fight.

Sure, he might have wrecked Mr. X's army, but they still took their toll. Not only was he repeatedly shot up, but he was also stabbed and burned multiple times, enough for one of X's goons to state "You can't hurt this guy either... you name it, he just laughs it off." Yeah, they "stabbed him a few times" including in the throat, and before Blok's rush at the end, he'd smashed in Logan's face twice before, and sliced him up with his spear. But yeah, we'll take your misrepresentation over what actually happened.

And I don't know who told you that Wolverine's healing factor takes just a couple of hours to recharge, but they told you wrong. When Wolverine takes that much punishment, it takes time for his healing factor to recover. And yeah, it was suggested, by the fact that the same writer had Wolverine take multiple piercings, shootings, explosions, and shots to the face, without losing consciousness, also wrote him being knocked out with a few punches and kicks later on. But no, there's NO reason for that whatsoever, amirite?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In any case, what was Wolverine's excuse when Blok sucker-punched Wolverine and knocked him out cold in the Mister X/Wolverine rematch? Let me guess, Wolverine stabbing through himself, a clip of bullets, a single flamethrower blast, and a few stabs was again... one of the "most brutal assaults ever" that utterly taxed Wolverine's HF, amirite?

Lol, no, just those things-PLUS everything else he'd gone through! What's hard to understand? Wolverine's healing factor runs on energy, the less it has, the poorer it performs. A couple of hours was NOT enough time to recover from extensive use, so why would the few minutes he was unconscious suddenly make him alright? Please.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Excuse me, but he did slump to his knees and he couldn't even move. His body wouldn't even respond.Patch was lucky Roughouse wasn't following up with more of a beatdown and they were more concerned with kidnapping Tyger.

Slump to his knees? You mean push himself off the ground, after getting his face planted in it, right? Yeah, his body couldn't respond-for all of one panel. Then he was up again, carrying Tyger away. And this was a much weaker Wolverine than the one that fought Thor. And did you even read the fight? The only thing that kept Roughouse from following up was Karma. Bloodscream was taking care of Tyger, Roughouse was totally focused on Logan. Read it again before responding this time.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah, we saw what a clusterf@ck that mockery of a battlezone turned out to be. Trying to act like aim blocking and aim dodging are FTL or FTB feats. I imagine you like to use aim dodging and aim blocking as speed feats too, amirite? Thor's got them in spades. But let me guess, they're good for Wolverine... but not Thor, amirite? What? You're not going to act like a hypocrite and allow us to match all of Wolverine's aim blocking/dodging nonsense with Thor's? Oh? So man up or shut up. We know what you chose. So again, you haven't posted anything worth spit.

Lol, this is hilarious. Why? Here's why:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[b]III. SUPERSPEED

As for FTL reactions that can be measured in nanoseconds (light travels one foot per nanosecond), he's swung and swatted away Blastaar's energy blasts in Thor #270:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed15270.jpg

Far from a one-off FTL feat, he does the same to Mole Man's energy blaster shot in Marvel Two-In-One #96:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed15aMarvelTwo-In-One96.jpg

Here, Enchantress shoots a blast at Captain America and Thor reacts with FTL speed to cut off the energy blast in mid-flight, from Marvel Comics Presents #44:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed17bMCP44.jpg[/B]

Wait, who was that posted by? OneDumbGo? You mean you? So, when Wolverine does it, it's aim blocking, but when Thor does it, then they're nanosecond reaction time feats. And lol at you trying to say that we were the ones not allowing it. You were the one who initially tried to say that Thor is too fast for Wolverine because of his FTL reaction speed. Jinzin and S-Rank posted scans of Wolverine reacting to lasers, you refused to accept them, even though it was similar scans that made you believe Thor had FTL reflexes in the first place, and then you had the battlezone. Again, nice misrepresentation though.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Same schtick, different poster. Make excuses, act like proof isn't posted, act like Gorgon's two/three speed feats outnumber Thor's dozens, and pretend that Wolverine somehow came out smelling lke roses in his fight with Thor. He got humiliated and kitty-scratched Thor for all his vaunted speed advantages. How's a character with lesser piercing capability and fewer speed feats than Thor/Balder provide some insurmountable foe to Thor? Eyes. Be. Rolling.

Lol at you expecting us to "outnumber" Thor's feats with a character like Gorgon, who's been in how many issues now? Less than 50, that's for sure. Still, he has been consistently portrayed as operating at a speed that is faster than Thor is consistently portrayed at. Add a healing factor that is on par or better than Wolverine's, and low level superstrength, and an adamantium sword, and the ability to know Thor's moves before he makes them, AND an ally who also has weapons that Thor can't break, and yeah, he wins.

If human attacks can "take their toll" how exactly can he "tank" cl 100 hits?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
As I recall, he's knocked senseless and slumps which permits them to escape with Tyger.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If human attacks can "take their toll" how exactly can he "tank" cl 100 hits?

Bleedouts affect his healing factor more than punches do. It gives his healing factor less to work with, forces it to reproduce more than recycle. Always has.

A cl 100 hit would cause several thousand times the amount of damage as being stabbed or cut by a human.

Originally posted by Silent Master
A cl 100 hit would cause several thousand times the amount of damage as being stabbed or cut by a human.

only wolverine wasnt cut once ot twice or 3 times he was shot, burned , stabbed, cut... you just name it and all those caused massive blood lost and tissue lost so suggesting that a strong punch which can be countered by adamantium skeleton in the first place can make more damage is not very smart to say the least

And a cl 100 hit would still do thousands of times the damage.

Originally posted by Silent Master
And a cl 100 hit would still do thousands of times the damage.

Different type of damage, different ability to heal it. It's why Sabretooth is more dangerous to him than Roughouse is, despite Roughouse being far stronger than Sabretooth.

Cl 100 hits would liquefy all the organs in a human body, I'm not buying that bullet wounds and stabbings are harder to heal.

Originally posted by Silent Master
A cl 100 hit would cause several thousand times the amount of damage as being stabbed or cut by a human.

in a comic, a stab often is more deadly than blunt force. ie spiderman takes longer to heal from a stab from logan than a punch from hulk.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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A character with fewer speed feats than even Thor has, with inferior piercing capability than Wolverine, isn't taking down Thor. Cry more. What is really discussed is that you acknowledge that Thor deals with Gorgon's abilities (since you believe he wins the majority).

You either talked out of your a$$ (and don't know "jack"😉, or you realize the truth but still feel entitled to demand people make your own arguments (and have got "sh1t"😉.

So thanks for trolling.

Gorgon's best speed feat, Thor's matched multiple times. More ironic, it's a speed feat that's been replicated by Thor so many times, you nunces keep trying to find ways to arbitrarily dismiss those Thor feats, e.g., the speedster wasn't really effectively using their speed and just blitzed in a single line. Like that isn't exactly what Yo-Yo did when she tried to attack Gorgon?

This thread stinks of desperation and ironic self sabotage. And you stink of self-loathing for not being able to offer up anything more than, "I know Thor wins the majority. But you won't tell me why. So somehow, you're wrong." Good job contributing "jack" and "sh1t." [/B]

Lol so suddenly the amount of showings is the real factor? gorgon has 90% of all his showings presenting him at speeds beyong what thor is showing normally or should i dare to say ever... yes i am talking about fighting speed, thor on the other hand even if having any feats of combat and reflex speed would be what? 5% of his entire career? thats what you call a PIS and even those PIS showinmgs cant portray him as above gorgon or at least at his level of speed so again you fail

you know your butt got kicked in this thread so you try to stick with everything you got to my statement that thor wins the majority Lol you just refuce to answer my questions or reffer to my points you choose to ignore everything people tell you and you think you will be the one making the shots? you are a coward that avoids questions and points when ever it suits you a hypocrite as well stating that we cant bring aiming feats for wolverine but you sure did that for thor so a hypocrite a coward and as i said before.. onedumb you sure are 🙂

what are the speed feats that thor matched? what are those feats? everything that thor did that can lets say scratch gorgons showings were done with mjolnir without it thor never operated at those speeds in a middle of a fight otherwise he could doge opponents like hulk and wouldnt get all bloody like some virgin every time he fights him

Originally posted by Silent Master
Cl 100 hits would liquefy all the organs in a human body, I'm not buying that bullet wounds and stabbings are harder to heal.

wolverine has an adamantium skeleton that recieve the impact before the organs recieve that and can absorb the impact to high levels even for world war hulk who was physically stronger than thor it took several hits directed to the head to cause him any brain damage and he focused on a small area the brain so again you fail

When Cl100's hit Wolverine, part of the force is diffused by his skeleton, When somebody cuts Wolverine, they don't touch his skeleton. In addition, while those hits certainly liquify his organs, all of the "pieces' that his healing factor needs to fix are still there, just in a different form. When Wolverine is cut and shot, he loses blood, tissue, etc., and his healing factor needs to replace it. Does it totally make sense in the real world? No. Does it make enough sense for a comic book explanation? Why not? And AGAIN, this is ALWAYS the way that it's been.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yes, logically you would be right. but remember, in a comics, often things are different. ie superman survives blackholes but can get KOed by a CL100.

in a comic, a stab often is more deadly than blunt force. ie spiderman takes longer to heal from a stab from logan than a punch from hulk.

If he's going to use logic as an argument, which he was by saying that those types of injuries are harder to heal and thus "taxed' Wolverine's healing factor(even though that was never stated in the book)....then he has to deal with the fact that logic disproves the argument.

Originally posted by Ize19
When Cl100's hit Wolverine, part of the force is diffused by his skeleton, When somebody cuts Wolverine, they don't touch his skeleton. In addition, while those hits certainly liquify his organs, all of the "pieces' that his healing factor needs to fix are still there, just in a different form. When Wolverine is cut and shot, he loses blood, tissue, etc., and his healing factor needs to replace it. Does it totally make sense in the real world? No. Does it make enough sense for a comic book explanation? Why not? And AGAIN, this is ALWAYS the way that it's been.

Where is this stated in a book?