Originally posted by Silent Mastertheres realworld logic and theres comic logic
If he's going to use logic as an argument, which he was by saying that those types of injuries are harder to heal and thus "taxed' Wolverine's healing factor(even though that was never stated in the book)....then he has to deal with the fact that logic disproves the argument.
hes using comic logic imo
The fail continues... How on God's Green earth can the Wolverine side keep using a situation that really disproves their entire conclusion (Wolverine is faster and can't be hit by thor). If someone is trying to talk some sense into somebody the entire fight and not trying to hurt them.. while the other is bloodlusted..we call one side holding back and the other going for the kill. One clearly has an advantage over the other. you would think they could see this actually supports Thor looking superior but somehow it doesn't... WTF.
Then a holding back character momentarily doubts that he could hit somebody because a couple blows were dodged.. yet... moments later (mid sentence mind you) proves that thought wrong.. Is now proof that Wolverine is faster than Thor and can't be tagged by him.. Yet he actually did tag him... WTF is going on here. Honestly, this thread truly gives me a headache trying to figure out the twisted illogical reasoning going on here.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosidood, even if you think wolverine is only slightly faster than thor, you still have to realize that gorgon is MUCH faster than thor
The fail continues... How on God's Green earth can the Wolverine side keep using a situation that really disproves their entire conclusion (Wolverine is faster and can't be hit by thor). If someone is trying to talk some sense into somebody the entire fight and not trying to hurt them.. while the other is bloodlusted..we call one side holding back and the other going for the kill. One clearly has an advantage over the other. you would think they could see this actually supports Thor looking superior but somehow it doesn't... WTF.Then a holding back character momentarily doubts that he could hit somebody because a couple blows were dodged.. yet... moments later (mid sentence mind you) proves that thought wrong.. Is now proof that Wolverine is faster than Thor and can't be tagged by him.. Yet he actually did tag him... WTF is going on here. Honestly, this thread truly gives me a headache trying to figure out the twisted illogical reasoning going on here.
gorgon killed phobos, whose melee skills and speed shit on thor's
I think a battlezone should settle this, honestly. Considering we have quite a few knowledgeable and unbiased posters here worthy of judging such a contest fairly, why not see this be put to rest once and for all? I'm pretty sure that ODG and Rage have agreed to do a BZ concerning this topic a while back; not sure if any of the Logan supporters accepted the challenge or not.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankwhat are we debating...whether gorgon is much faster than thor? I'm down
I think a battlezone should settle this, honestly. Considering we have quite a few knowledgeable and unbiased posters here worthy of judging such a contest fairly, why not see this be put to rest once and for all? I'm pretty sure that ODG and Rage have agreed to do a BZ concerning this topic a while back; not sure if any of the Logan supporters accepted the challenge or not.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The fail continues... How on God's Green earth can the Wolverine side keep using a situation that really disproves their entire conclusion (Wolverine is faster and can't be hit by thor). If someone is trying to talk some sense into somebody the entire fight and not trying to hurt them.. while the other is bloodlusted..we call one side holding back and the other going for the kill. One clearly has an advantage over the other. you would think they could see this actually supports Thor looking superior but somehow it doesn't... WTF.Then a holding back character momentarily doubts that he could hit somebody because a couple blows were dodged.. yet... moments later (mid sentence mind you) proves that thought wrong.. Is now proof that Wolverine is faster than Thor and can't be tagged by him.. Yet he actually did tag him... WTF is going on here. Honestly, this thread truly gives me a headache trying to figure out the twisted illogical reasoning going on here.
you are using things you just made up to give you more credibility thats sad, no one here ever and i repeat ever said thor cant hit wolverine, our side said that wolverine is faster than thor thats it, and if during the entire fight wolverine dodged and landed blows at thor and after all this thor managed to grab a foot and you call it a feat that proves thor is faster? allow me to laugh and vomit on you for thinking something like that
yeah yeah thor was holding back bla bla he enjoyed getting stubbed he was so enjoing it that he had to fly and use lightning to stop wolverine because he couldnt take any more hits like he stated himself GTFO of here and dont shove your nose where it doesnt belong
Originally posted by Starscream M
what are we debating...whether gorgon is much faster than thor? I'm down
It seems to be that the thread keeps coming back to Wolverine vs. Thor, in all honesty. And the idea is that if Wolverine is faster than he, two enemies significantly faster than Wolverine are much much faster than Thor and therefore Thor has no method of attacking or defending himself. Proving or disproving Wolverine's own speed would pretty much seal the deal on this thread if we're projecting his own feats onto the team and adding a + to them.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankit comes back to wolverine vs thor because that is the best basis for how gorgon vs thor would be like, other than arguably gorgon vs phobos
It seems to be that the thread keeps coming back to Wolverine vs. Thor, in all honesty. And the idea is that if Wolverine is faster than he, two enemies significantly faster than Wolverine are much much faster than Thor and therefore Thor has no method of attacking or defending himself. Proving or disproving Wolverine's own speed would pretty much seal the deal on this thread if we're projecting his own feats onto the team and adding a + to them.
I honestly dont see battlezone settling it any better than this thread is...just because speed is such a complex issue in comics, and so inconsistently portrayed.
you got to love the thor fan(boy)s , thor stated wolverine is faster, wolverine stated that sabretooth exchanged his speed for strength, wolverine dodged thor and hit him several times and yet thor grabbing his foot somehow disproves all that ... thats just amazing how the fanboy side here is trying to grasp on everything they can its just amazing
If someone creates one, I guess I'm willing to give it a go. Still, it took me two days to prepare my initial post on this thread, and I have limited time available on here, so there'll need to be some leeway on time constraints. With that one condition, Battlezone accepted.
Oh, and Silent Master, you wanted to know where it was stated in a comic that bleedout takes more out of Wolverine's healing factor than blunt damage? Nowhere, as far as I know. Where has it been stated that loss of blood and fluids is hard for his healing factor to replace? Here you go:
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1477/wolverinev1ch06708.jpg
The rest of it is logic, supported by years of seeing what kind of damage Wolverine gets back up from, and what kind of damage puts him down. And when Hulk goes into a rage, just by recognizing "Little man who always there to hurt Hulk!" it's doubtful that he holds back against him.
Originally posted by Starscream M
the technical term is 'thorbags'
yeah i also love how everytime the writers portray thor as the losing side they get hate mails from all the thorbags and they change it in the next issue, need exmaples?
rulk beating the hell out of thor... later on after dozens of hate mails thor beats him up suddenly his hits are able to hurt rulk and you see thor saying stuff like "you will never be able to beat me" thats pathetic
thor getting his ass kicked by the U FOES and taskmaster hits him with some shield and thor is bleeding... next one osborn saying to taskmaster " do you really think you hurt thor"? well thats what we saw didnt we? the thorbags are so amusing seriously
and the fight when its supposly thor remember hulk smashing his face with his own hammer its clear as sun that the writer wanted to show us how hulk can hust beat him up but just to not get all the thorbags upset at the end he wrote thor questioning his memory if that happened or not
Originally posted by Ize19
If someone creates one, I guess I'm willing to give it a go. Still, it took me two days to prepare my initial post on this thread, and I have limited time available on here, so there'll need to be some leeway on time constraints. With that one condition, Battlezone accepted.
I'm pretty sure no one would fault timeliness against you in all honesty. I think some BZ's are going down that have lasted for a quite some time.
The only real things that need to be decided are:
-Who's participating in said BZ for either side.
-Judges.
-The actual topic for the battlezone.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm pretty sure no one would fault timeliness against you in all honesty. I think some BZ's are going down that have lasted for a quite some time.The only real things that need to be decided are:
-Who's participating in said BZ for either side.
-Judges.
-The actual topic for the battlezone.
if its gorgon vs thor sign me in i am ready to go up i will get all the scans ready all the info everything and i am ready to debate his side
Well, for the first one, like I said, I'm willing to do it. For the second, I don't have any suggestions, but I'm willing to look at any that you have. And for the third, let me state our position real quick.
Wolverine is slightly faster than Thor, going by average depictions. Going by top feats, they're in the same ball park, and Thor doesn't have enough of an edge to top his disadvantage on average. Add to that, an actual confrontation, where Wolverine wasn't untouchable, but WAS faster than Thor, and it's clear who has the edge. If this is what the Battlezone is about, then let's get started creating it.
