Deathstroke vs Havok

Started by Existere14 pages

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm repsonding to a statement that was made in the thread, so my comment was and is relevant.
You're responding to one of the first statements in the thread.

We're ten pages in. You've been 'responding' this entire time, even towards people who are interested in a completely different discussion.

Move the **** on.

Originally posted by Existere
You're responding to one of the first statements in the thread.

We're ten pages in. You've been 'responding' this entire time, even towards people who are interested in a completely different discussion.

Move the **** on.

If they are interested in a completely different discussion, why do they keep trying to convince me that Slade can kill Alex before he could activate his powers?

K. I'm out.

Yo.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, I'm not arguing that he'd use that tactic, I'm disagreeing with the notion that even if he did, Slade would be able to shoot him before Alex can activate his powers.

well hey now, disagreeing is all well and dandy; I do it myself every now & again........... 😄

Originally posted by Silent Master
Pay attention, I'm not defending the notion that he'd use that tactic. Again, look at page one. I'm disagreeing with the claim that in a quick-draw scenario Slade would be able to kill Alex before he could activate his powers.

well, specifically U said:

he still has to cross the distance before he can attack and there is no way he can do that before Alex thinks "blast".

........and THAT can be argued to not be accurate, seeing as how a man w/a snipers rifle can stay right where he is & take ya out from a great distance. 😉

Originally posted by Silent Master
He’s probably talking about the staff.

.......ok, that would make sense.

Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Actually, from what I've read, they go about a little under Mach 4 or 4000 FEET per second or 1212 m/s.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/MariaPereyra.shtml

Been posting this like several times already.. does no one read what I post? 🙁

but plz note: thats not applicable to EVERY caliber of bullet

Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by Existere
K. I'm out.

😆

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

but plz note: thats not applicable to EVERY caliber of bullet

Tazer

Its the fastest speed shown for bullets. To my knowledge, there are NO bullets clocked at 4000m/s as you stated.

Yeah, but we're talking DC. And Slade has advanced technology. Not to mention energy weapons like his staff.

Who's to say Havok wouldn't just rush him or go H2H after a few blasts?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Its the fastest speed shown for bullets. To my knowledge, there are NO bullets clocked at 4000m/s as you stated.

er, you're not really trying to use real life stuff to make an argument are you......? 😬

Yo.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Actually, from what I've read, they go about a little under Mach 4 or 4000 FEET per second or 1212 m/s.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/MariaPereyra.shtml

Been posting this like several times already.. does no one read what I post? 🙁

ahh, my mistake: I was using "meter", instead of "feet", which *would* drastically alter the power of any bullet..........my bad. 😮

Tazer

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Yeah, but we're talking DC. And Slade has advanced technology. Not to mention energy weapons like his staff.

Who's to say Havok wouldn't just rush him or go H2H after a few blasts?

Wouldn't Havok just metabolize an energy blast from Slade's staff...

Can he do that? 😑

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Can he do that? 😑

I thought during that Emperor Vulcan / Star Jammers stuff it was revealed Havok was functionally immune to most types of radiation / energy... but maybe I'm remembering wrong.

I thought that was just his brothers. Anybody got scans?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wouldn't Havok just metabolize an energy blast from Slade's staff...
That actually was the first thing i thought of. Turns out he only absorbs ambient energy and bio blasts. He can absorb bullets very well though.

Originally posted by leonidas
er, you're not really trying to use real life stuff to make an argument are you......? 😬

Why not? They're arguing that DS will be too fast for Havoc. That might be true, but distance and the bullet speed should still give Havoc enough time to react. Thus, we are arguing that the bullet still NEEDS to travel the distance needed to hit Havoc and the time it takes to do so would give Havoc sufficient time to think "omniblast" or "plasma shielding" in a quickdraw scenario.

Bullets exist in real life and (for the most part) are quite measurable. Thus, we should be able to use RL physics computations to make our points.

Unless there is something in comics that state that Slade's bullets somehow move faster than the fastest bullet that exists today, I don't see why we can't use this type of argumentation to make our case.

Is there any proof havock can just omniblast off the cuff with no prep to charge or situate himself? I know he's never done it in xfactor books. And doesn't he wear a suit that keeps his his energy contained. Like cyclops' visor. If he has to get naked to do it or be in street clothes, this fight is over before it starts.

Originally posted by long pig
Is there any proof havock can just omniblast off the cuff with no prep to charge or situate himself? I know he's never done it in xfactor books. And doesn't he wear a suit that keeps his his energy contained. Like cyclops' visor. If he has to get naked to do it or be in street clothes, this fight is over before it starts.

I'm not the Havoc experty, sadly, so I can't really tell ye. However, (IIRC) based on how his powers have been described in the past, its a constant omnidirectional blast that he contains via his suit as well as training/concentration similar to how Scott's eyes are in a constant energy blast (that's contained via ruby quartz). I don't see why he can't just let loose with an omniblast.

Also, he's been able to erect force fields before. I think in this scenario, he's more likely to do that than do an omniblast in a quick-draw.

I think this fight will come down to more than a quick-draw, tbh.

That's what i'm saying, his suit contains his energy. How does he omniblast through a suit that blocks his energy? I've seen the scans and he doesn't seem to be wearing his suit when he does it. DS's staff isn't some one trick pony, i've seen it do hundreds of different things. from blasts, KO gas, electric attacks, sound attacks, neural disruption to making a shield and in one issue, absorbing starfire's blast (although he's dodged her blasts so easily she comments 'he moves around them like they are standing still. Kid flash can't even do that'😉. It's basically a lethal version of batman's utility belt.

he blasts in all directions with the suit just fine. he just needs to want it. IIRC he doesnt even wear it anymore