X Men versus Push

Originally posted by Nephthys
Seeing someone doesn't mean shit when there is [b]literally no way to affect them. [/B]

My bad: I did not know that there was only one character participating from the Push side.

Edit - *Checks the OP*

Huh?

I'm confused now. What are you talking about in that? Your point makes no sense, even in the slightest.

Granted, I don't think you intended to trick me...but I almost DID fall for it. 😬

Originally posted by Nephthys
Could you rephrase that, please? I don't see how they could stop her, but anyway, with prep she can be touching him before the fight even starts.

Time - Kitty has to move from point A to point B, touch the professor, and activate her powers.

Future events being "present" with a Watcher: That event is seen and prevented.

Result: RJ not giving each side Prep time was almost completely a gimp for the Push side.

Conclusion: Push was gimped from the beginning and I do not see a way they can win, at all, without a "jump" on the muties.

My bad: I did not know that there was only one character participating from the Push side.

Edit - *Checks the OP*

Huh?

I'm confused now. What are you talking about in that? Your point makes no sense, even in the slightest.

Granted, I don't think you intended to trick me...but I almost DID fall for it.

Are you high, or just being intentionally dense?

Do you understand the concept of intangibility? They cannot touch him. They cannot affect him. There is nothing they can do to stop him from turning their minds into mush.

Time - Kitty has to move from point A to point B, touch the professor, and activate her powers.

Future events being "present" with a Watcher: That event is seen and prevented.

HOW!? It's prep, you can't attack each other during prep! Thats the whole ****ing point of prep. And how exactly can they stop her from going to touch Xavier? Swords of ****ing Revealing Light? They can't stop her. They can't teleport on top of her and stop her from just walking over to him and touching him. Even if they could, she's intangible. They can't do shit to her.

Result: RJ not giving each side Prep time was almost completely a gimp for the Push side.

No, X-verse stomps either way.

Conclusion: Push was gimped from the beginning and I do not see a way they can win, at all, without a "jump" on the muties.

Jump? This isn't Jumper, this is Push. They're completely different movies.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Are you high, or just being intentionally dense?

No, I was pretending to not know that there was more than one person participating in the thread from the Push side, then checking the OP, then seeing that there were lots of other characters (which both you and I already knew), and then posting about it, sarcastically, that you had almost tricked me.

And, I pose the same question to you:

"Are you high, or just being intentionally dense?"

Originally posted by Nephthys
Do you understand the concept of intangibility? They cannot touch him. They cannot affect him. There is nothing they can do to stop him from turning their minds into mush.

In this thread, yes, because RJ didn't give prep time: a requirement for anyone with Clairvoyance or "future" seeing abilities.

Originally posted by Nephthys
[b]HOW!? It's prep, you can't attack each other during prep! Thats the whole ****ing point of prep. And how exactly can they stop her from going to touch Xavier? Swords of ****ing Revealing Light? They can't stop her. They can't teleport on top of her and stop her from just walking over to him and touching him. Even if they could, she's intangible. They can't do shit to her.[/B]

You're so angry. Please tell me how not attacking each other during prep affects anything I've stated? 😬 In all honesty, I think you're quoting the wrong person...cause there's no way that you could be talking to me with the above post.

And, also, please tell me how she's "intangible" to everything that the Push people have to throw at her?

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, X-verse stomps either way.

No, Push wins when prep is involved, easily. Push loses without prep, easily.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Jump? This isn't Jumper, this is Push. They're completely different movies.

ZOMG! Thank you sooooooo much for telling me that. WHAT WOULD I DO WITHOUT YOU TELLING ME THAT? Man, you're such a life-saver.

Or is it possible that you WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off with your commment!>!>!>!>!L:jlfk as;lfjk a;lfkj aslkfj as;dlfkj aljkf ;

Nephthys, you are...I don't even. It's more like you're posting at me...with rage. You're not even making counters...you're just raging. Calm down, think clearly, and stop raging. Yes, I'm serious.

With prep the X-men can start off with Xavier as intangiable, along with whoever else they want... They can also create a super powered Rouge.

Originally posted by ares834
With prep the X-men can start off with Xavier as intangiable, along with whoever else they want... They can also create a super powered Rouge.

Okay, I change my mind.

😆

See, this is what reasoning does for me. lol Take notes, Nephthys .

No, I was pretending to not know that there was more than one person participating in the thread from the Push side, then checking the OP, then seeing that there were lots of other characters (which both you and I already knew), and then posting about it, sarcastically, that you had almost tricked me.

And, I pose the same question to you:

"Are you high, or just being intentionally dense?"

Yes, I understood your joke. It was hilarious and oh so witty. What I didn't understand was how it had any relevence to what I said. I didn't say that there was only one person on the field. I didn't even insinuate that. What I said was that due to intangibility, them having clairvoyance doesn't matter because even if they can see the future they cannot affect it whatsoever. I'm..... honestly struggling to see how you could be confused on that point, which is why I was asking whether you were 'mentally impaired' in some way or just trolling me. To be frank, I'm still not sure you're not.

In this thread, yes, because RJ didn't give prep time: a requirement for anyone with Clairvoyance or "future" seeing abilities.

Which goes back to my first question: Even if they had prep time, how would they deal with intangibility? How does clairvoyance negate that in any way?

You're so angry. Please tell me how not attacking each other during prep affects anything I've stated? 😬

'Time - Kitty has to move from point A to point B, touch the professor, and activate her powers.

Future events being "present" with a Watcher: That event is seen and prevented.'

How will they 'prevent' her from walking over and touching him during prep time? Your argument makes no sense, again causing me to question your state of mind.

And, also, please tell me how she's "intangible" to everything that the Push people have to throw at her?

Movers can't move her, Xavier mentally shitstomps the Pushers and the Wipers, Bleeders can't bleed her, Stitchers can't touch her and of course they can't be shot. Nothing will be able to stop them at all.

No, Push wins when prep is involved, easily. Push loses without prep, easily.

No, see above.

ZOMG! Thank you sooooooo much for telling me that. WHAT WOULD I DO WITHOUT YOU TELLING ME THAT? Man, you're such a life-saver.

Or is it possible that you WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off with your commment!>!>!>!>!L:jlfk as;lfjk a;lfkj aslkfj as;dlfkj aljkf ;

Well what the hell did you mean about them having a 'jump' on the muties? The **** does that even mean?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Okay, I change my mind.

😆

See, this is what reasoning does for me. lol Take notes, Nephthys .

THATS THE EXACT SAME THING I'VE BEEN SAYING YOU ILLITERATE DOGFVCKER.

Seems you guys are taking this thread as a toe to toe battle in an open field. From the OP:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

The Push crew are all banded together and have decided to take on the X Men mutants, who they view as a threat. The X Men mutants put their differences aside and team up to defeat the Push crew. The fight takes place all over the world, and both sides can use any and all resources to win. This is not necessarily a fight to the death, just to the win, incapacitation can achieve victory. Jean Grey is Jean Grey here, not Dark Phoenix. No Cerebro bullshit either.

The Push crew has decided to take on the X Men. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the X Men are initially unaware of the pending attack. Both sides have general knowledge of their enemy. Now.....Seeing as how Carver is not an idiot, he'll likely keep the attack a secret until it comes time to execute. There will be planning, there will be time to get organized, all that shit. Now.......During this time (could be days), the Watchers will see the future, will know where Xavier is, will know where all the X Men are. Now.......Division sends a sniper to snipe Xavier first and foremost. .50 caliber bullet from 500 yards out>>>>>Xavier.

Now....With Xavier out of the picture, it's a cakewalk. Kitty? Lulz, same. They see where she is, send in a stitch, have the stitch walk up to her as Kitty is being an emo *****, and lay a finger on her.

Question: In X2, let's say that Stryker's sole reason for raiding the X mansion was to kill Xavier. Now, if he had two Watchers and a kickass sniper, how easy would it have been for him to kill Xavier?

Answer: Beyond easy.

Seeing the future>>>>>Anything the X Men can bring.

In X2 the strongest X-men weren't even there.

Xavier or Jean would have sensed their presence before they even reached the mansion, just saying.

The Push crew are all banded together and have decided to take on the X Men mutants, who they view as a threat. The X Men mutants put their differences aside and team up to defeat the Push crew. The fight takes place all over the world, and both sides can use any and all resources to win. This is not necessarily a fight to the death, just to the win, incapacitation can achieve victory. Jean Grey is Jean Grey here, not Dark Phoenix. No Cerebro bullshit either.

Oh well then this thread is much crappier than I thought. 🙄

Xavier flies around the world in the X-Jet putting everyone on the Push-side into coma's.

/thread.

The Push crew has decided to take on the X Men. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the X Men are initially unaware of the pending attack.

🙄

Now.......Division sends a sniper to snipe Xavier first and foremost. .50 caliber bullet from 500 yards out>>>>>Xavier.

He'd sense the sniper. Easily.

Seeing the future>>>>>Anything the X Men can bring.

Cerebro.

Dark Pheonix.

I like how you have to take away the two greatest weapons from the X-verse, then give Push unlimited prep and have the X-verse completely unaware of the attack to have them stand a chance.

Yeah obviously this is a fair thread. 🙄

What utter horseshit.

Originally posted by Mindset
In X2 the strongest X-men weren't even there.

Xavier or Jean would have sensed their presence before they even reached the mansion, just saying.

Shadows: Shadows are trained to block the vision of other clairvoyants such as Sniffs, making any subject within their target radius appear "dark". Experience will enhance the size of the area they can shadow and the intensity of their shielding effect. Shadows need to be awake to manifest their ability, so it is common for a detail of two Shadows to operate in shifts while protecting a person or object for extended periods. Most Shadows are effective only against Sniffs, but some extremely powerful Shadows are able to block even Watchers.

Also, what I just said:

The Push crew has decided to take on the X Men. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the X Men are initially unaware of the pending attack. Both sides have general knowledge of their enemy. Now.....Seeing as how Carver is not an idiot, he'll likely keep the attack a secret until it comes time to execute. There will be planning, there will be time to get organized, all that shit. Now.......During this time (could be days), the Watchers will see the future, will know where Xavier is, will know where all the X Men are. Now.......Division sends a sniper to snipe Xavier first and foremost. .50 caliber bullet from 500 yards out>>>>>Xavier.

Xavier cannot see the future. None of them have precog. If a watcher sees where Xavier will be in 24 hours, the division sends a sniper to snipe his ass.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh well then this thread is much crappier than I thought. 🙄

Xavier flies around the world in the X-Jet putting everyone on the Push-side into coma's.

/thread.

🙄

The Push crew has decided to take on the X Men. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the X Men are initially unaware of the pending attack. Both sides have general knowledge of their enemy. Now.....Seeing as how Carver is not an idiot, he'll likely keep the attack a secret until it comes time to execute. There will be planning, there will be time to get organized, all that shit. Now.......During this time (could be days), the Watchers will see the future, will know where Xavier is, will know where all the X Men are. Now.......Division sends a sniper to snipe Xavier first and foremost. .50 caliber bullet from 500 yards out>>>>>Xavier.

He'd sense the sniper. Easily.

Cerebro.

Dark Pheonix.

I like how you have to take away the two greatest weapons from the X-verse, then give Push unlimited prep and have the X-verse completely unaware of the attack to have them stand a chance.

Yeah obviously this is a fair thread. 🙄

Seeing the future>>>>>Cerebro and DP.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Shadows: Shadows are trained to block the vision of other clairvoyants such as Sniffs, making any subject within their target radius appear "dark". Experience will enhance the size of the area they can shadow and the intensity of their shielding effect. Shadows need to be awake to manifest their ability, so it is common for a detail of two Shadows to operate in shifts while protecting a person or object for extended periods. Most Shadows are effective only against Sniffs, but some extremely powerful Shadows are able to block even Watchers.

Also, what I just said:

The Push crew has decided to take on the X Men. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the X Men are initially unaware of the pending attack. Both sides have general knowledge of their enemy. Now.....Seeing as how Carver is not an idiot, he'll likely keep the attack a secret until it comes time to execute. There will be planning, there will be time to get organized, all that shit. Now.......During this time (could be days), the Watchers will see the future, will know where Xavier is, will know where all the X Men are. Now.......Division sends a sniper to snipe Xavier first and foremost. .50 caliber bullet from 500 yards out>>>>>Xavier.

Xavier cannot see the future. None of them have precog. If a watcher sees where Xavier will be in 24 hours, the division sends a sniper to snipe his ass.

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm not sure 500 yards puts him at of Xavier's range to sense...

How does he know to do so? He has no precog and cannot see the future.

He doesn't need it. He senses the attack and stops it, then he wheels himself down to Cerebro The X-Jet and wipes out all opposition.

No, he won't. He does not have precog.

He can sense Pheonix half a continet away but he can't sense a sniper 500 feet away? Yeah, no.

Neither of which are in this thread.

I'm sorry I can't hear you over the gimping.

K, then Cassies mom sees a decade into the future and the division kills all the X Men a decade prior.

So they get to kill the X-men a decade in the past.

The thread is so ****ing awesome. 😐

Seeing the future>>>>>Cerebro and DP.

No, unlimited prep time >>>>>> Cerebro and DP.

I seem to recall you initially wanted this to be just the X-men as well. Have you even heard of the word bias?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sense what? He's unaware of the pending attack. You saying Xavier has precog? Fail.

Which I'm not sensing right now...where in that statement did I say anything about precog? Fail indeed.

Your original post didn't say anything about Shadows, are you adding them in now?

Also not sure about the accuracy of a 50cal round traveling 500 yards and through multiple walls(?) to hit a human sized target.

So they snipe Xavier... Big deal. There are still many other mutants out there such as Magneto who can move the ****in golden gate bridge! Hell Xavier could just place his mind in some guy with a coma.

besides all magneto will do anyway is take away all of their guns the same way he did onscreen

I'm thinking of making a more balanced version of this thread. You guys game?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, I understood your joke. It was hilarious and oh so witty.

I know it was...but you didn't seem to have the capacity to understand what was actually taking place.

Originally posted by Nephthys
What I didn't understand was how it had any relevence to what I said.

What you don't understand is how your original reply to what I said had any relevance to what I said. 😬

I said:

"You don't see how seeing the future will help? Time is 'perception' of events."

To which you said:

"Seeing someone doesn't mean shit when there is literally no way to affect them."

Because you were being deliberately dense because you were in rage mode, you didn't see how being able to see into the future when you have an entire army to take out the mutants, gave an advantage, at all. You made it seem as though one person seeing into the future had no way to affect another person from the other side when AN ENTIRE ****ING ARMY is there to go to down based on those future visions: something the other side does not have.

You played ignorant, again, on purpose, pretending as though a single watcher is all there is to it and they cannot do anything to the professor, at all, despite the fact that THEY WILL HAVE THE DROP ON THE PROFESSOR AND THERE IS NOTHING HE CAN DO ABOUT IT.

Is that clear enough for you? Actually, it's not. You still will pretend not to get it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I didn't say that there was only one person on the field. I didn't even insinuate that. What I said was that due to intangibility, them having clairvoyance doesn't matter because even if they can see the future they cannot affect it whatsoever.

Seeing the future means they can't affect it, huh? Obviously, you didn't watch the same film I did. You literally have no clue what you're talking about. Kindly GTFO out of this thread until you've seen the movie. Once you have, you may be a tad (not likely) more rational.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm..... honestly struggling to see how you could be confused on that point,

Don't struggle too hard because the reason is obvious: I'm not the one confused.

Originally posted by Nephthys
which is why I was asking whether you were 'mentally impaired' in some way or just trolling me.

Yeah, I'm mentally impaired when you're the one that lacked understanding and I'm the one trolling you when YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE DAMN MOVIE and are clueless to the powers of the other side.

Originally posted by Nephthys
To be frank, I'm still not sure you're not.

To be frank, you're definitely an internet rager, you troll the shit out of people when they disagree with you, and you are extremely biased and cannot see reason.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Which goes back to my first question: Even if they had prep time, how would they deal with intangibility?

The answer to that question is horribly obvious. If you had even the slightest clue as to what the Push side was bringing...

Originally posted by Nephthys
How does clairvoyance negate that in any way?

Other than being able to get the drop on Xavier before Kitty touches him...there's one glaringly obvious reason why pseudo-intangibility is not a way to avoid death.

Originally posted by Nephthys
'Time - Kitty has to move from point A to point B, touch the professor, and activate her powers.

Future events being "present" with a Watcher: That event is seen and prevented.'

How will they 'prevent' her from walking over and touching him during prep time? Your argument makes no sense, again causing me to question your state of mind.

How will they not prevent her? The answer to this question is very very basic. If you knew what the other side was bringing, you'd know the answer instead of trolling the thread.

Go to the OP, read about the powers, and then shit yourself with enlightenment. It should click as to how they would prevent Kitty from touching the professor before they kill her and the professor.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Movers can't move her, Xavier mentally shitstomps the Pushers and the Wipers, Bleeders can't bleed her, Stitchers can't touch her and of course they can't be shot. Nothing will be able to stop them at all.

HA! You're wrong.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, see above.

No, see the item you posted that to.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well what the hell did you mean about them having a 'jump' on the muties? The **** does that even mean?

Is English not your first language?

Originally posted by Nephthys
THATS THE EXACT SAME THING I'VE BEEN SAYING YOU ILLITERATE DOGFVCKER.

I was joking. 😬

Still, the young did a far better job of NOT raging than you did and that's the lesson you needed to learn. You go from normal to raging in just a couple of posts in just about every thread in the MVF that you participate in. Let's also not forget the little troll posts you drop while in "normal" mode.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm thinking of making a more balanced version of this thread. You guys game?

I am. Fo sho.

I know it was...but you didn't seem to have the capacity to understand what was actually taking place.

Obviously the sheer RAAAAGE just overcame me.

What you don't understand is how your original reply to what I said had any relevance to what I said. 😬

Wow, learn to type less confusingly please.

Because you were being deliberately dense because you were in rage mode, you didn't see how being able to see into the future when you have an entire army to take out the mutants, gave an advantage, at all. You made it seem as though one person seeing into the future had no way to affect another person from the other side when AN ENTIRE ****ING ARMY is there to go to down based on those future visions: something the other side does not have.

As I mentioned, against an intangible Xavier an entire army is useless.

You played ignorant, again, on purpose, pretending as though a single watcher is all there is to it and they cannot do anything to the professor, at all, despite the fact that THEY WILL HAVE THE DROP ON THE PROFESSOR AND THERE IS NOTHING HE CAN DO ABOUT IT.

Oh god, don't tell me you've been listening to RJ's bullshit. Sorry to dissapoint you but Rj has once again failed to make a spite thread properly. It's right there in the OP:

'The Push crew are all banded together and have decided to take on the X Men mutants, who they view as a threat. The X Men mutants put their differences aside and team up to defeat the Push crew.'

The mutants are aware of the attack as per the OP as they would need to be to be able to team up against the threat.

This seems to be the main thing causing this argument, as you think the Push team will be able to catch Xavier completely by surprise and I do not.

Seeing the future means they can't affect it, huh? Obviously, you didn't watch the same film I did. You literally have no clue what you're talking about. Kindly GTFO out of this thread until you've seen the movie. Once you have, you may be a tad (not likely) more rational.

I have seen the movie. 😐

Kindly be a bit more polite in your responses.

Yeah, I'm mentally impaired when you're the one that lacked understanding and I'm the one trolling you when YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE DAMN MOVIE and are clueless to the powers of the other side.

Again, I have seen the movie and calm down. Maybe you should go see someone about that rage.

To be frank, you're definitely an internet rager, you troll the shit out of people when they disagree with you, and you are extremely biased and cannot see reason.

To be frank, I think you've been spending too much time in that obnoxious internet troll thread, lol.

The answer to that question is horribly obvious. If you had even the slightest clue as to what the Push side was bringing...

Ooooooh scary! Care to refresh my memory mister internet man?

Other than being able to get the drop on Xavier before Kitty touches him...

How? The fight takes place all over the world. Kitty is in his school. Which do you think's going to get to Xavier faster?

here's one glaringly obvious reason why pseudo-intangibility is not a way to avoid death.

And are you going to share it with the rest of the class....?

Go to the OP, read about the powers, and then shit yourself with enlightenment. It should click as to how they would prevent Kitty from touching the professor before they kill her and the professor.

Or you could just take the 30 seconds to just freakin' tell me.

HA! You're wrong.

Is English not your first language?

Yes, but my retardese is a little rusty, so you'll have to speak more clearly.

I was joking.

Oh cool. See, this is the thing I'm talking about. More cleary please.

I am. Fo sho.

Anyone else?