X Men versus Push

Originally posted by Nephthys
Obviously the sheer RAAAAGE just overcame me.

I know, man. Smoke a bowl or something.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Wow, learn to type less confusingly please.

No comment.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As I mentioned, against an intangible Xavier an entire army is useless.

Incorrect. 🙂

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh god, don't tell me you've been listening to RJ's bullshit. Sorry to dissapoint you but Rj has once again failed to make a spite thread properly.

I don't think it's a spite thread but he DID gimp both sides which I didn't like. No prep-time? That nulled THE best asset that Push peeps had going for them: seeing the future. No cerebro? That nulled Xaviers ability to kill all but the Shadows and the people they are guarding.

Originally posted by Nephthys
'The Push crew are all banded together and have decided to take on the X Men mutants, who they view as a threat. [b]The X Men mutants put their differences aside and team up to defeat the Push crew.'

The mutants are aware of the attack as per the OP as they would need to be to be able to team up against the threat.

This seems to be the main thing causing this argument, as you think the Push team will be able to catch Xavier completely by surprise and I do not.[/B]

Wrong. I think the Push peeps DIE in this thread. I was only commenting on a hypothetical thread in which there is prep time.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I have seen the movie. 😐

Kindly be a bit more polite in your responses.

Fair.

I was responding "in kind", btw.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again, I have seen the movie and calm down. Maybe you should go see someone about that rage.

Oh, so I'm supposed to "calm down" when I'm parodying your posting style? 😆

Wait, I think you're making a joke and it went over my head until just now (I'm not joking, now.)

Originally posted by Nephthys
To be frank, I think you've been spending too much time in that obnoxious internet troll thread, lol.

Wah?

To be Frank, it's only a paper moon so come fly with me.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ooooooh scary! Care to refresh my memory mister internet man?

Nah. I'd rather keep it to myself. I prefer that someone else point it out. I DID tell RJ about it, however, in private and he knows exactly what I'm talking about. I honestly think you know, too.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How? The fight takes place all over the world. Kitty is in his school. Which do you think's going to get to Xavier faster?

First, not in this thread, but in the hypothetical thread in which prep-time occurs.

Second, I honestly think the mutants win because the Watchers are pretty damn useless. They aren't like Alice from Twilight...being able to see microseconds into the future and reacting like a Jedi. They are useless meatbags in this thread.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And are you going to share it with the rest of the class....?

No. I think it's obvious and you're just playing around because you're bored or something.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Or you could just take the 30 seconds to just freakin' tell me.

Calm down. See above.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, but my retardese is a little rusty, so you'll have to speak more clearly.

"Is English not your first language" and you answered "yes" which means English is not your first language. Are you aware of that? Did you intend to answer the question in that manner? I was going to be nice and cut you some slack if English was not your first language but since you raged on me, even more, I am not very willing to help you understand.

It's probably because you called me an illiterate dogf*cker...not quite sure or indirectly referred to my "language" as "retardese."

Oh well, I forgive you.

Enjoy your answer:

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/get+a+jump+on

Do you want to know why I put "jump" in quotes, originally? It was to avoid the confusion between "Jumpers" from "Jump" and the English Language idiom. Yet, you someone reacted in the exact opposite manner.

You even hinted at knowing exactly what I meant when you said the following:

"Well what the hell did you mean about them having a 'jump' on the muties?"

Its as if you knew exactly what I was talking about but pretended not to. Now do you see why I don't think you're genuinely ignorant of my meaning but, instead, trolling?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh cool. See, this is the thing I'm talking about. More cleary please.

If I'm denied the right to make "witty" comments with adults, then what's the point of coming here? I could just create a comic book and movie club and argue with teenagers. I'm all about breaking balls and getting a laugh out of it...the wittier, the better.

Also, Neph, I still love you.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I was saying that WITH prep, they win 10 out of 10 times.

Yea I know, and I'm saying even with prep, they won't win.

Originally posted by dadudemon

And, did you watch Push? I've seen both Push and all the X-men movies. I think it's rather close-minded and bias to think that the Muties have a chance IF the Push peeps are given prep.

Yep, I've watched Push and I was impressed with them. About 16 (i think thats what someone said) Push mutants (+ the human agency) vs all X-men mutants? They are outnumbered and outclassed in every way. Seeing the future is not an automatic win. If you could see the future DDM, and I sent Shadow Cat after you (or a heavily protected Professor X, or any mutant really), you'd still die no matter what prep you made. Even with the Asian precog, she doesn't see every specific detail, just visions of a small duration.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Why haven't you made actual good arguments, though?

Such as: Clairvoyance is not telepathy.

Um the part where I said "you pulled it out of your bum" was pretty much referring to this. Also the Shadow guy is no assassin, he ain't doing jack crap.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Jean has been gimped because she cannot use her full powers.

I'm okay with that though, cause this would be a spite thread if she did have all her powers.

Originally posted by dadudemon

The only thing I've read in this thread is whining/complaining/bitching/trolling about what one side can do or cannot do.

Not really. There have been a few ways shown how the X-men can't be stopped, and there have been no responses to them, only things like "they can see the future man!!!1".

Basically, Team Push has no winning method, even with prep. I'd like to see how you would script it though. But short of something ridiculous like dropping a nuke on the X-men (even then Shadow cat finishes the job), they can't win. X-men will find them no matter what, and they can't do anything to stop them from killing them, even with some precog.

Originally posted by Placidity
Yep, I've watched Push and I was impressed with them. About 16 (i think thats what someone said) Push mutants (+ the human agency) vs all X-men mutants? They are outnumbered and outclassed in every way. Seeing the future is not an automatic win. If you could see the future DDM, and I sent Shadow Cat after you (or a heavily protected Professor X, or any mutant really), you'd still die no matter what prep you made. Even with the Asian precog, she doesn't see every specific detail, just visions of a small duration.

RJ is stating that there are much more Push muties than Marvel Muties...even when I brought up the field at the Alcatraz having what looks like hundreds of mutants, he still contends that there are more Push muties. I disagreed but, granted, I've seen the movie once. There could be some obscure line said by one the characters that makes you and I wrong.

Originally posted by Placidity
Um the part where I said "you pulled it out of your bum" was pretty much referring to this. Also the Shadow guy is no assassin, he ain't doing jack crap.

There are "far seers" and "clairvoyants" in push. There's not just Clairvoyants. There's also people that have a gift akin to Demetri's: they can sniff out a person from anywhere in the world.

The Shadow types are not for assasinating, though: they are for making people "dark" to those with mind powers.

Originally posted by Placidity
I'm okay with that though, cause this would be a spite thread if she did have all her powers.

I disagree. She's still very much a "meat bag" just a very powerful meatbag.

Originally posted by Placidity
Not really. There have been a few ways shown how the X-men can't be stopped, and there have been no responses to them, only things like "they can see the future man!!!1".

I disagree, obviously. I think the RJ hate runs much too deep in the MVF to actually ever have any sort of normal conversation with him.

Originally posted by Placidity
Basically, Team Push has no winning method, even with prep. I'd like to see how you would script it though. But short of something ridiculous like dropping a nuke on the X-men (even then Shadow cat finishes the job), they can't win. X-men will find them no matter what, and they can't do anything to stop them from killing them, even with some precog.

I may script it for you, in PMs. I really don't like the attitudes of multiple people in this thread and they are definitely not deserving of any real discussion.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I don't think it's a spite thread but he DID gimp both sides which I didn't like. No prep-time? That nulled THE best asset that Push peeps had going for them: seeing the future. No cerebro? That nulled Xaviers ability to kill all but the Shadows and the people they are guarding.

Cassie's mom was capable of seeing a decade into the future. Just saying.

Originally posted by dadudemon
RJ is stating that there are much more Push muties than Marvel Muties...even when I brought up the field at the Alcatraz having what looks like hundreds of mutants, he still contends that there are more Push muties. I disagreed but, granted, I've seen the movie once. There could be some obscure line said by one the characters that makes you and I wrong.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
When did I say no prep time? It's literally impossible to have future seers on any team and not have them having prep time. If someone can see even 20 minutes in to the future, that's prep time.

Cassie's mom was capable of seeing a decade into the future. Just saying.

The part where you didn't say, "prep" or "preparation" at any point in your post.

You didn't even allude to "prep" time. The fight starts with them trying to kill each other. Sure, they can get together and start planning, but that's not the same as prep time which prevents one side from attacking another.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I most certainly did not. I said that the Push crew had far more resources, and far more members. Only some of them were mutants, most of the division/triad are humans.

Suck my balls.

Originally posted by dadudemon
RJ is stating that there are much more Push muties than Marvel Muties...even when I brought up the field at the Alcatraz having what looks like hundreds of mutants, he still contends that there are more Push muties. I disagreed but, granted, I've seen the movie once. There could be some obscure line said by one the characters that makes you and I wrong.

Ok, now he says there isn't. So Push mutants are way outnumbered.

Originally posted by dadudemon

There are "far seers" and "clairvoyants" in push. There's not just Clairvoyants. There's also people that have a gift akin to Demetri's: they can sniff out a person from anywhere in the world.

The Shadow types are not for assasinating, though: they are for making people "dark" to those with mind powers.

They block sniffers and watchers specifically. They aren't blocking anything else (they can't even block their own Pushers), especially not someone like Xavier. They are irrelevant.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I disagree. She's still very much a "meat bag" just a very powerful meatbag.

Are we talking about Dark Phoenix here? Cause she soloes.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I may script it for you, in PMs. I really don't like the attitudes of multiple people in this thread and they are definitely not deserving of any real discussion.

Hmm, I don't really do PM debates, whats the point?

Originally posted by Placidity
Ok, now he says there isn't. So Push mutants are way outnumbered.

I agree, but he's saying that they have all sorts of resources like the chinese mafia and governments. If that's the case, they destroy the mansion with a missile from hundreds of miles away.

Originally posted by Placidity
They block sniffers and watchers specifically. They aren't blocking anything else (they can't even block their own Pushers), especially not someone like Xavier. They are irrelevant.

They block all mind-to-mind powers for the purposes of versus matches. If you say differently, I say, "you can't prove your way and I can't prove my way." However, without trying to gimp one side over the other, they make people invisible to those with mind powers (not to be confused with TK.) That means they will be invisible to Xavier and people like that. If you say that they don't, then I say that they do. It's an endless and futile discussion. How about we avoid it and not gimp one side in favor of the other as we see fit? I'm not removing anything from either side. The shadows get to keep their abilities in this thread.

Originally posted by Placidity
Are we talking about Dark Phoenix here? Cause she soloes.

I don't see how. One bullet from a mile out ends any meatbag, including Xavier sans Cerebro.

Originally posted by Placidity
Hmm, I don't really do PM debates, whats the point?

It's definitely not a debate. You wanted me to script, so I told you how I would script. I had no interest in debating it.

But, to actually answer you question, the point would be discussing the thread. I don't need an audience to have a discussion: I'm not that egotistical. Additionally, I don't need an audience for debates, either.

Originally posted by dadudemon

They block all mind-to-mind powers for the purposes of versus matches. If you say differently, I say, "you can't prove your way and I can't prove my way." However, without trying to gimp one side over the other, they make people invisible to those with mind powers (not to be confused with TK.) That means they will be invisible to Xavier and people like that. If you say that they don't, then I say that they do. It's an endless and futile discussion. How about we avoid it and not gimp one side in favor of the other as we see fit? I'm not removing anything from either side. The shadows get to keep their abilities in this thread.

Where is it said they block all mind-to-mind powers? They block Sniffers and Watchers. If you have any evidence that they can block anything other than specifically those two types of powers, then present it now.

You also ignored my point about how they can't block Pushers.

I'm not gimping anything, you're trying to add powers to them that they don't have.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I don't see how. One bullet from a mile out ends any meatbag, including Xavier sans Cerebro.

She was already shot at by a group of men. She killed all of them and leveled the island. I don't know if you remember that part. 🙄

Originally posted by Placidity
Where is it said they block all mind-to-mind powers?

Where is it said that Xavier can see into the shroud a Shadow creates?

Originally posted by Placidity
They block Sniffers and Watchers. If you have any evidence that they can block anything other than specifically those two types of powers, then present it now.

If you have any evidence that Xavier can see into the shroud created by the Shadows, present it now.

Originally posted by Placidity
You also ignored my point about how they can't block Pushers.

I did not. It was irrelevent. TK != telepathy, clairvoyance, or farseeing.

Originally posted by Placidity
I'm not gimping anything, you're trying to add powers to them that they don't have.

I'm not adding powers that they don't have, you're trying to take them away.

By your logic, here's what we can do:

The force doesn't work in any versus match unless it takes place inside of the Galaxy the force users are from.

No HP magic works in any universe unless the fight takes place in the HP universe.

Xaviers powers don't work in other universes that don't have psionics.

Shadows cannot block Xavier from seeing them because they are from different universes and Xavier's power work in both universes but the Shadows only can block "mind" muties from seeing them ONLY in their own universe.

If you want to argue that the Shadows are blocking something other than Psionics, be my guest: it's a very futile conversation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psionics

Originally posted by Placidity
She was already shot at by a group of men. She killed all of them and leveled the island. I don't know if you remember that part. 🙄

That is not addressing this:

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't see how. One bullet from a mile out ends any meatbag, including Xavier sans Cerebro.

Just who are the Pushers going to send anyway if they manage to get to the X-mansion. They would need to hope they are standing right in windows like idiots while and not get deeper inside the mansion or use the escape tunnels. So who would they send inside?

Shadow's have never blocked anything even close to as powerful as Xavier. Saying that they can is a fallacy.

I don't see how. One bullet from a mile out ends any meatbag, including Xavier sans Cerebro.

No, lol. Xaviers and Pheonix's telepathy extends about half a continent. They'll be able to sense a sniper, easily. If it was that easy Mags could have done it years ago.

If you want to argue that the Shadows are blocking something other than Psionics, be my guest: it's a very futile conversation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psionics

Is the Force TK? Is pyrokinesis magic?

It's up to you to prove that they're the same thing. We don't just assume on this forum. By RJ's own words most Shadows can just stop Sniffs. Xavier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sniffs.

I'm not going to bother replying to the other argument we were having btw. You more or less conceeded anway so alls thats left is bullshit macho posturing. Yawn.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I did not. It was irrelevent. TK != telepathy, clairvoyance, or farseeing.

Good thing Xavier doesn't use TK but uses telepathy... Considering the fact that Shadows can't stop Pushers' TP, I don't see how they will stop Xavier's TP which is far more impressive than Pushers'.

By the way, this:

'To be Frank, it's only a paper moon so come fly with me.'

Is hilarious. Brilliant.

Originally posted by ares834
Good thing Xavier doesn't use TK but uses telepathy...

I agree, which was exactly my point.

He said that the Pushers can't be blocked by the Shadows to prove that the Shadows couldn't block...TK...which was irrelevant to our discussion as we already knew that (he was actually making another point.)

Originally posted by ares834
Considering the fact that Shadows can't stop Pushers' TP, I don't see how they will stop Xavier's TP which is far more impressive than Pushers'.

Pushers have TK, not TP. I don't know what TP is. Xavier has Telepathy.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Pushers have TK, not TP. I don't know what TP is. Xavier has Telepathy.

TP=Telepathy.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Pushers: Pushers have the ability to implant memories, thoughts and emotions into the minds of other people in order to manipulate them. The skill level of the Pusher determines how many people the Pusher is able to control at one time, and how vivid the implanted memories are. A powerful Pusher can push a large group of people at the same time, basically creating a personal army. A Pusher is able to make a person do anything the Pusher desires, even commit suicide. A Pusher's eyes indicate how powerful they are: their pupils will dilate to certain degrees depending on how powerful the push is (for example, Henry Carver's eyes are rendered completely black, signifying that he is an extremely able and effective Pusher).

That is not TK (i'm assuming TK=telekinesis), but is telepathy. Movers, however, use TK.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Shadow's have never blocked anything even close to as powerful as Xavier. Saying that they can is a fallacy.

There's a limit to how much "Psionic" detection the shield can handle (As fact, it just looks like they are trained to block, and the limit is the "area" of the shield and how long they can keep it up (the good ones can keep it up as long as they are awake). Violating the "no limits" fallacy would involve saying that they can block out everyone as far out as they want when they explicitly cannot block out unlimited area: it's kept to a certain area and the more training and experience they have, they can extend their "black hole" even farther)? Where is this shield "bombardment" limit and where did you find it? Additionally, how did you discover that a "limit" was even applicable to the shroud? It's like saying you "see" a black hole in the visible light spectrum if you get a bigger telescope: it's still completely missing. Granted, you can see a blackhole by observing the things around it which is what happened in the film: pretty cool tie-in, I think. *Adjusts belt buckle*

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, lol. Xaviers and Pheonix's telepathy extends about half a continent. They'll be able to sense a sniper, easily. If it was that easy Mags could have done it years ago.

Do you have a movie feat for that because it appears to be a few hundred yards in the films. Again, this thread is gimped, no cerebro.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Is the Force TK? Is pyrokinesis magic?

What? You didn't know? The Force, in the real world, is considered fictional psionics." You didn't know that?

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's up to you to prove that they're the same thing.

No, it's up to you to prove that he can see through the shroud because that's what your claiming.

Originally posted by Nephthys
We don't just assume on this forum.

So stop: the shroud stays as a shroud: don't assume that Xavier sees through it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
By RJ's own words most Shadows can just stop Sniffs. Xavier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sniffs.

No, Shadows can stop Sniffs and even more powerful/trained ones can stop Watchers.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not going to bother replying to the other argument we were having btw. You more or less conceeded anway so alls thats left is bullshit macho posturing. Yawn.

That's a good thing because we both know my balls are much... smoother.

Originally posted by ares834
TP=Telepathy.

That is not TK (i'm assuming TK=telekinesis), but is telepathy. Movers, however, use TK.

AHA! I figured that's what you meant but I wasn't sure. Telepathy is one word, but I have also been known to make initialisms, incorrectly, like that, so I don't think you did anything wrong.

Originally posted by McNasty996
Just who are the Pushers going to send anyway if they manage to get to the X-mansion. They would need to hope they are standing right in windows like idiots while and not get deeper inside the mansion or use the escape tunnels. So who would they send inside?

I wanna reply to this soooo bad...but I don't want to show my bewbeez just yet.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Where is it said that Xavier can see into the shroud a Shadow creates?

If you have any evidence that Xavier can see into the shroud created by the Shadows, present it now.

You know thats pathetic right?

What shroud? There is no shroud. They can only block sniffers and watchers, period.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I did not. It was irrelevent. TK != telepathy, clairvoyance, or farseeing.

What the shit are you on about, I've never mentioned TK.

I take it you have no response.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I'm not adding powers that they don't have, you're trying to take them away.

Powers you are yet to prove, which you won't.

Originally posted by dadudemon
By your logic, here's what we can do:

The force doesn't work in any versus match unless it takes place inside of the Galaxy the force users are from.

No HP magic works in any universe unless the fight takes place in the HP universe.

Xaviers powers don't work in other universes that don't have psionics.

Shadows cannot block Xavier from seeing them because they are from different universes and Xavier's power work in both universes but the Shadows only can block "mind" muties from seeing them ONLY in their own universe.

What a load of shit. Shadows have never blocked telepathy, let alone someone on Xavier's level (lets just pretend all telepathy is the same, oh wait they're not) so stop doing the strawman dance.

Shadows can't block telepathy. They can only block sniffers and watchers specifically which are not telepaths, as stated in the film. They can't block Pushers, who are telepaths. The end.

Originally posted by dadudemon

That is not addressing this:

Um, you said Dark Phoenix was just a "meatbag" who can be killed by a sniper, I proved she wasn't, then you and talk about Professor X???