X Men versus Push

There's a limit to how much "Psionic" detection the shield can handle (As fact, it just looks like they are trained to block, and the limit is the "area" of the shield and how long they can keep it up (the good ones can keep it up as long as they are awake). Violating the "no limits" fallacy would involve saying that they can block out everyone as far out as they want when they explicitly cannot block out unlimited area: it's kept to a certain area and the more training and experience they have, they can extend their "black hole" even farther)? Where is this shield "bombardment" limit and where did you find it? Additionally, how did you discover that a "limit" was even applicable to the shroud? It's like saying you "see" a black hole in the visible light spectrum if you get a bigger telescope: it's still completely missing. Granted, you can see a blackhole by observing the things around it which is what happened in the film: pretty cool tie-in, I think. *Adjusts belt buckle*

No, a no-limits fallacy would be to assume that it can block anything within its given area, even if God tried to pierce it. It's not a black hole, its a shadow, a shroud. Shadows can be illuminated, shrouds can be pierced.

Assuming that its unbrakable is a fallacy. Xavier is much more powerful than anything a Shadow has blocked, therefore you can't prove that they'd be able to block him.

Do you have a movie feat for that because it appears to be a few hundred yards in the films. Again, this thread is gimped, no cerebro.

Xavier senses Pheonix from the school when she awakens at the lake. Pheonix talks to Cyclops telepathically to get him to come to the lake.

What? You didn't know? The Force, in the real world, is considered fictional psionics." You didn't know that?

Only in a crude sense. The basic function is different.

No, it's up to you to prove that he can see through the shroud because that's what your claiming.

Xavier is more powerful than anything the Shadows have blocked.

2 > 1. Simple really.

No, Shadows can stop Sniffs and even more powerful/trained ones can stop Watchers.

Thats what I said. And its been a while, but I think ares is right. Shadows can't stop a Pusher's telepathy. Therefore, why do you think they'd be able to stop Xaviers?

Originally posted by Nephthys

Thats what I said. And its been a while, but I think ares is right. Shadows can't stop a Pusher's telepathy. Therefore, why do you think they'd be able to stop Xaviers?

They can't. All he'll do is ask you to prove that Xavier can see through the shroud lol. Blatant debating fallacy, and shameless.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, a no-limits fallacy would be to assume that it can block anything within its given area, even if God tried to pierce it. It's not a black hole, its a shadow, a shroud. Shadows can be illuminated, shrouds can be pierced.

No, what I said.

In this case, it's you assuming that a "black hole" can magically produce "light" if you look at it with a more intense "telescope."

There is another version of the "limits" fallacy that I've talked about before and that's applying an inappropriate limit to something.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Assuming that its unbrakable is a fallacy. Xavier is much more powerful than anything a Shadow has blocked, therefore you can't prove that they'd be able to block him.

Assuming that it can magically produce a "signal" when it's "black" is a fallacy. It's an apples to oranges comparison on your part.

Additionally, you still don't get it because you assume that a more intense "eye" is going to get information directly from a "black hole."

Originally posted by Nephthys
Xavier senses Pheonix from the school when she awakens at the lake. Pheonix talks to Cyclops telepathically to get him to come to the lake.

I thought my point was obvious because of me mentioning cerebro, but I'll rephrase to be nice because you're being nice:

Do you have a feat of "mind-raping" someone in a psionic shroud half-a continent away outside of cerebro?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Only in a crude sense. The basic function is different.

If this is the best I can get out of you, I'll take it. 😄

Originally posted by Nephthys
Xavier is more powerful than anything the Shadows have blocked.

2 > 1. Simple really.

Here's this: the powerful shadows block out all sniffers and watchers, combined. Is the professor greater than all of those combined? Do you have an "intensity" level of psionic "pressure" he can exert on the shroud (which is not a trait of the Shrouds they create in the film, btw.) On top of that, do you know how many sniffers and watchers there are in the film and how much psionic pressure they collectively exert on the shroud (again, there's no such trait in the film. It has to be invented in order to even have this discussion with you and others)?

After you've quantified those into exact measures, let me know which is greater. (I promise to not be a douche: I'll give you a leeway of 100 psi units. I am not aware of an psi unit measures from Marvel so you'll have to forgive my ignorance here, if there already exists an official one that I'm not aware of...yes...that means I'll accept a comic book answer.)

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats what I said. And its been a while, but I think ares is right. Shadows can't stop a Pusher's telepathy. Therefore, why do you think they'd be able to stop Xaviers?

Show me Xavier's telepathy and I'll concede this point, as well.

See, you can get me convinced of two points: I'm not COMPLETELY hard headed. 😆

Originally posted by Placidity
They can't. All he'll do is ask you to prove that Xavier can see through the shroud lol. Blatant debating fallacy, and shameless.

I know, right? It's rather fallicious to claim that Xavier can see the shroud when we aren't even sure if the mechanisms work the same or if the shroud even works in a manner that it can be "over-powered" because it acts more like a black hole than it does Enterprise D's shields.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I know, right? It's rather fallicious to claim that Xavier can see the shroud when we aren't even sure if the mechanisms work the same or if the shroud even works in a manner that it can be "over-powered" because it acts more like a black hole than it does Enterprise D's shields.

1. Its stated they can only block sniffers/watchers.
2. They can't block pushers (telepaths).

Stop talking about Xavier and prove that Shadows can block telepathy.

When you have proven this ability exists, then we'll talk about whether Xavier can overcome it or not. Of course you won't since you have zero evidence for your claims, which are made up.

Do it or concede.

Originally posted by Placidity
You know thats pathetic right?

What shroud? There is no shroud. They can only block sniffers and watchers, period.

Yes there is. And, not that's not true: they can block anyone that tries to see them while they are being protected with the Shadow's shroud in any thread unless the thread starter wants to remove the ability.

Originally posted by Placidity
What the shit are you on about, I've never mentioned TK.

I take it you have no response.

That's because I confused the label "pusher" for the "movers". 🙁

Originally posted by Placidity
Powers you are yet to prove, which you won't.

Powers that Xavier is supposed to have that you have yet to prove: when was he ever seen looking through the shroud of a Shadow?

We have an example of one and it was in the form of a Helmet on Magneto's head: it seemed to work just fine for Magneto. You gonna call him out and say: "MAGNETO! YOU BASTARD! THAT'S A NO LIMITS FALLACY ASS! TAKE THAT SHIT OFFFFFFF!"

Originally posted by Placidity
What a load of shit. Shadows have never blocked telepathy, let alone someone on Xavier's level (lets just pretend all telepathy is the same, oh wait they're not) so stop doing the strawman dance.

Funny you say that because I think it's a gigantic load of shit to think that professor can look through the shroud that specifically there to block people from "looking at them."

Originally posted by Placidity
Shadows can't block telepathy. They can only block sniffers and watchers specifically which are not telepaths, as stated in the film. They can't block Pushers, who are telepaths. The end.

Pushers inject information into a "seen" subject. If they can see the subject, it kind of defeats the point of a Shadow, now doesn't it? Additionally, what Xavier would be doing is retrieving information on an object that will not exist for his "remote viewing" purposes.

Originally posted by Placidity
Um, you said Dark Phoenix was just a "meatbag" who can be killed by a sniper, I proved she wasn't, then you and talk about Professor X???

I know it's difficult with multiple conversation threads going on so I'll make it so you can understand what happened:

You said:

Originally posted by Placidity
Are we talking about Dark Phoenix here? Cause she soloes.

To which I replied:

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't see how. One bullet from a mile out ends any meatbag, including Xavier sans Cerebro.

To which you replied:

Originally posted by Placidity
She was already shot at by a group of men. She killed all of them and leveled the island. I don't know if you remember that part. 🙄

To which I replied:

Originally posted by dadudemon
That is not addressing this:

[QUOTE=13272294]Originally posted by dadudemon
[B]I don't see how. One bullet from a mile out ends any meatbag, including Xavier sans Cerebro.

The distance between the "facility" and Jean is, at best, 100 yards.

Do you see why your reply to what I said was out of place?

Let's recap:

You say Xavier sees into the Shroud of the Shadows with his remote viewing abilities, I say that directly contradicts what we see the Shadows being able to block. You say that it's a logical fallacy that the Shadows can block someone as powerful as Xavier, I say it's a logical fallacy because increasing the "size" of your "telescope" is not going to magically light up a black hole.

That's it.

There's really no need to discuss anything else.

If you have something new to bring to the table, I'm all "ears."

Originally posted by Placidity
1. Its stated they can only block sniffers/watchers.
2. They can't block pushers (telepaths).

Stop talking about Xavier and prove that Shadows can block telepathy.

Remote viewing = telepathy. End of discussion. Thanks for playing.

Originally posted by Placidity
When you have proven this ability exists, then we'll talk about whether Xavier can overcome it or not. Of course you won't since you have zero evidence for your claims, which are made up.

Do it or concede.

So you need to concede, now, right? If that's the whole basis of your argument, you need to concede.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Remote viewing = telepathy. End of discussion. Thanks for playing.

You're really lame.

Thats how you play it when you lose huh? Can't explain your way out of shadows not being able to block pushers? "Remote viewing" = telepathy?" So desperate.

Last time I even bother with you. Its sad.

Originally posted by Placidity
You're really lame.

Thats how you play it when you lose huh?

You can't keep from turning into a troll very long, can you?

I won't report you, though cause I love you too much. 🙂

Please show me where remote viewing is not telepathy.

"Remote viewing (RV) is a fancy name for telepathy or clairvoyance, the alleged psychic ability to perceive places, persons, and actions that are not within the range of the senses. "

http://www.skepdic.com/remotevw.html

What I see is you knowing your defeat so you resort to insults because actually taking 3 seconds to look up "remote-viewing" would reveal what I said to very true. I didn't even need to prove that to you because you already knew it. Why would you even take us down that path? Were you hoping for one of those famous ignorant moments like I had earlier when I confused the labels "push" and "mover"?

Originally posted by Placidity
Can't explain your way out of shadows not being able to block pushers? "Remote viewing" = telepathy?" So desperate.

Last time I even bother with you. Its sad.

I nicely smacked down that notion of yours:

"Pushers inject information into a "seen" subject. If they can see the subject, it kind of defeats the point of a Shadow, now doesn't it? Additionally, what Xavier would be doing is retrieving information on an object that will not exist for his "remote viewing" purposes."

So you can't pretend that I didn't address it.

Originally posted by dadudemon

So you can't pretend that I didn't address it.

Pretend you aren't ignoring the fact that shadows can't block pushers, actual telepaths (not your other bullshit you made up), but can somehow block Xavier.

Fcking troll. Ignore-listed.

Originally posted by Placidity
Pretend you aren't ignoring the fact that shadows can't block pushers, actual telepaths (not your other bullshit you made up), but can somehow block Xavier.

Fcking troll. Ignore-listed.

Yeah, I addressed that in the most direct way possible and you are still ignoring it...

Yet, I'm trolling you when you:

1. Have called me names.
2. Called my arguments all sorts of names which included "bullshit."
3. Claimed that I ignored things you stated when I had directly addressed them.
4. Were proven wrong in the most direct way possible.

Seems you're the obvious troll.

About point #4:

You said:

"Stop talking about Xavier and prove that Shadows can block telepathy.

When you have proven this ability exists, then we'll talk about whether Xavier can overcome it or not. Of course you won't since you have zero evidence for your claims, which are made up.

Do it or concede."

The tone of that is rather short, to begin with, but I did what you asked.

I not only proved that remote viewing is telepathy, it was an apples to apples comparison as the visions of the Sniffers are "remote viewing." Remote viewing...nulled. Professor remote viewing the Shadows? Nulled.

I proved it and you hate that you're wrong: I'm wrong about lots of things. It's not that bad to be wrong, man. Don't take this stuff so seriously. I'm not out on a personal vendetta against you or anything: we can have arguments and leave the thread and be amicable. The arguments should stay here.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The part where you didn't say, "prep" or "preparation" at any point in your post.

You didn't even allude to "prep" time. The fight starts with them trying to kill each other. Sure, they can get together and start planning, but that's not the same as prep time which prevents one side from attacking another.

Suck my balls.

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