Dormammu vs Shuma-Gorath

Originally posted by zopzop
The hyperbole is strong with this one.....

Dude you realize Dormammu has been called the ruler of hundreds of dimensions too right? It means nothing since we don't know who or what inhabited said dimensions.

Fact remains, the ONLY thing we saw on panel that was even slightly impressive from Gorath was his creation of that voodoo doll of Earth. That's it.

Dormammu's gone up against way more impressive people (Odin, Eternity, Zom, Mephiso/Hela/Pluto/Daimon Hellstrom, etc..) and he's likewise unkillable. His fight against Eternity caused worlds to ignite. He's fought Odin himself in Asgard to a standstill. He's chained Zom. It took the combined power of Mephisto/Pluto/Hela/Daimon Hellstrom to drive him off.

The whole "unkillable" thing is over done anyway. How many times has Mephisto, Satannish, Dormammu and crew been killed only to resurface later no worse for wear?

1. Yeah but regardless he has one main one and Shuma still has 1,000. We've seen a few more but its been so long since I read his stuff I vaguely remember it. Shuma hasn't ever been killed though he's only been bfred. It was eternity who chained Zom not Dorm. Yes most of Shumas stuff isn't seen he is one of those assumed characters mostly.

No it was Dormammu. But Eternity had to finish the job by imprisoning him in the Amphora and banishing him beyond all space and time.

And again, we have no clue what the inhabitants of those dimensions were capable of (both in Dormammu and Gorath's cases).

Originally posted by zopzop
No it was Dormammu. But Eternity had to finish the job by imprisoning him in the Amphora and banishing him beyond all space and time.

And again, we have no clue what the inhabitants of those dimensions were capable of (both in Dormammu and Gorath's cases).

Yeah I knew eternity had some play in that lol. Yeah it isn't known, but in terms of scale though taking over a dimension and reality isn't a reality bigger? A dimension be like Asgard or something right? Reality be like 616 I think not sure how big a dimension could e anyway

Yeah it's confusing, the whole dimension thing. Some forum members posted scans of 616 reality being considered a multiverse because of all the pocket dimensions that accompany it like Asgard, the "Hell" dimensions, Olympus, etc...

So ultimately I have no clue 🙁

Regarding Sue hurting Shuma, and vertigo tripping him, he was asleep most of that fight. Once he woke up, Strange had to finish the fight himself at stonehenge. Shuma-Gorath takes awhile to manifest himself fully in this dimension, he hasn't actually been here at full power since prehistoric days when Sise-Nig put him to sleep and banished him. At his full power in his own realm, or fully manifested, he's on par with eternity. And the way Strange beat is impossible for anyone else to duplicate. He used Shuma's own power to defeat him. And he still had to commit suicide at the end.

Whosoever defeats Shuma-Gorath, becomes Shuma-Gorath. Strange had to destroy his own ego after beating Shuma. A large portion of Strange's artifacts are dedicated specifically to keeping him out of this dimension. Hell, he took over the Ancient One's mind.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah it's confusing, the whole dimension thing. Some forum members posted scans of 616 reality being considered a multiverse because of all the pocket dimensions that accompany it like Asgard, the "Hell" dimensions, Olympus, etc...

So ultimately I have no clue 🙁

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Regarding Sue hurting Shuma, and vertigo tripping him, he was asleep most of that fight. Once he woke up, Strange had to finish the fight himself at stonehenge. Shuma-Gorath takes awhile to manifest himself fully in this dimension, he hasn't actually been here at full power since prehistoric days when Sise-Nig put him to sleep and banished him. At his full power in his own realm, or fully manifested, he's on par with eternity. And the way Strange beat is impossible for anyone else to duplicate. He used Shuma's own power to defeat him. And he still had to commit suicide at the end.

Whosoever defeats Shuma-Gorath, [b]becomes Shuma-Gorath. Strange had to destroy his own ego after beating Shuma. A large portion of Strange's artifacts are dedicated specifically to keeping him out of this dimension. Hell, he took over the Ancient One's mind. [/B]

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Regarding Sue hurting Shuma, and vertigo tripping him, he was asleep most of that fight. Once he woke up, Strange had to finish the fight himself at stonehenge.

No Trickster, he was wide awake. What makes it worse, is that later, 3 of the FF lose their powers and it's just the Human Torch and the Salem Seven vs Gorath and Scratch and they were holding their own. Strange shows up, tp's Gorath to Stonehenge (against Gorath's will by the way) and pwns him there. Sure Strange got beat up but he won and banished Gorath.

Like I said, Shuma needs time or a sacrifice to get up to full strength here. Beating him on earth isn't that hard, if you've got the juice. It's taking him down when he's at full strength that's hard.

Zop u have some serious anti-shuma rage going ever since that greatest demons discussion.

Shuma Gorarth takes Dormammu down hard. There is no comparison. g-asskick

Dormammu really doesn't need prep like Strange did to beat Shuma. He can kill himself and just reform once he absorbs Shuma and goes about his day.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Zop u have some serious anti-shuma rage going ever since that greatest demons discussion.

In your opinion. I'm just pointing out that the vast majority of scans in Gorath's favor are either all hyperbole or highly questionable. That's all. In fact, I was HOPING Gorath would r@pe stomp other demons because I was gonna make a VS thread based on Marvel Tarot correspondences but I held off till I saw more scans in Gorath's favor.

That whole idea is now shot to hell because I'm not convinced Gorath could hang. Too bad, it could have been fun.

Wow, zopzop is talking his usual crap about Shuma.

Dormammu is only above Shuma with his stupid 'cosmic axis' plot device. Aside from that he gets stomped. Strange even recognizes Shuma's superiority. This isn't even a fight. Plus, the Defenders mini-series was used as a joke by Keith Giffen. Dormammu spend the entire time complaining that Umar didn't love him, and Umar was more concerned how to seduce the Hulk.

well i was dormammu in MvC 3 and i beat shuma pretty bad...so ill give it dormy via MvC 3 rape

Originally posted by bbrem123
well i was dormammu in MvC 3 and i beat shuma pretty bad...so ill give it dormy via MvC 3 rape

If we're going to bring MvC3 into the picture it's suggested by Dormammu's character entrance quote "what is thy will Ancient One?" that Shuma is above Dormammu.

But of course you know game things don't mean anything.

Originally posted by CortSether
If we're going to bring MvC3 into the picture it's suggested by Dormammu's character entrance quote "what is thy will Ancient One?" that Shuma is above Dormammu.

But of course you know game things don't mean anything.

haha for real?...im gonna have to check that out

Originally posted by CortSether
Wow, zopzop is talking his usual crap about Shuma.

Dormammu is only above Shuma with his stupid 'cosmic axis' plot device. Aside from that he gets stomped. Strange even recognizes Shuma's superiority. This isn't even a fight. Plus, the Defenders mini-series was used as a joke by Keith Giffen. Dormammu spend the entire time complaining that Umar didn't love him, and Umar was more concerned how to seduce the Hulk.

Then what about the Marvel Knights Four arc? Where Gorath was being tripped up like crippled child by Vertigo (exploiting his biggest weakness)? How about a nearly powerless FF (only Torch still had his powers) and the Salem Seven (talk about D-listers) holding their own and actually embarrassing Gorath till Strange showed up and handed him his ass?

Or the Invaders Now arc where a bunch of ghosts were holding him off while the Invaders completely ignored him and focused on the super powered Nazis? 😆

shuma for the stomp
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Originally posted by zopzop
In your opinion. I'm just pointing out that the vast majority of scans in Gorath's favor are either all hyperbole or highly questionable. That's all. In fact, I was HOPING Gorath would r@pe stomp other demons because I was gonna make a VS thread based on Marvel Tarot correspondences but I held off till I saw more scans in Gorath's favor.

That whole idea is now shot to hell because I'm not convinced Gorath could hang. Too bad, it could have been fun.