Originally posted by leonidas
neither rage nor i questioned this. it's an impressive speed feat for glads, no doubt--personally i think it's his best one.the issue was with thor and the field. not sure how far it stretched. while he was battling thor, i always just thought he was within the field itself since no one seems to really have gear on to make THEM move at hyperspeed. glads also trailed the ship at various points and needed to keep up with it. at those times he was OUTSIDE the field.
i don't think it's a speed feat for thor, in all honesty. if we say that, don't we need to say EVERYONE--reed and ben, etc--were also moving unaided at those speeds? or did we see them all specifically wearing gear? can't recall and REALLY don't wanna go look. it just seems to me if we say EVERYONE was in the field range, it makes more sense to me, unless there is sure proof otherwise. which maybe there is. shrug
Naah, I don't think its his best one but it was impressive when he aided them with the computer and actually boosted his speed up to hyper speed levels, for hours... that's some flash shit.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Everyone was shown wearing gear. Only Thor was excluded. I flipped through the arc, and I couldn't find an instance (Maybe I missed a panel). Heck, there are times when Thor doesn't have gear and someone does in the very same panel. Doesn't really help make the situation any clearer.
hmm. i wonder if it mentioned the fact that the field extended all around the vehicle they travelled in. it would likely be hard to find that--it would require a pretty close reading. but it would make more sense to me. otherwise no gear gets the big shrug from me.
Read said that the field could extend a short distance. That along with Gladiator's comment about speed when he flew in, and the reason for the harnesses being handed out (So they could move around the armory without any trouble) points to the field not being a factor.
Huge speed feat for Thor? Huge speed feat for Thor. Weird though.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Read said that the field could extend a short distance. That along with Gladiator's comment about speed when he flew in, and the reason for the harnesses being handed out (So they could move around the armory without any trouble) points to the field not being a factor.Huge speed feat for Thor? Huge speed feat for Thor. Weird though.
yeah. my guess would be that simonson didn't intend to display thor as having hyperspeed, but.... who knows. i personally would never use the 'feat' in a debate. too much is unclear about it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor speed blitzes Superman? Thor speed blitzes Superman.
That's if its legit... you have to be hellava fast to even accomplish a feat like that and again, they were moving at hyper speed... limbs, senses, everything was increased.
Like I said before, no one under Flash should be able to do this and has never shown that they could do this on panel (minus Gladiator 🙂 ) . If Thor actuall did that, then yes, no one under Flash could prevent a blitz from him but I'm about to do some research because I also believe Thor speed was increased during this incident... I can't see Thor moving at hyper speeds (far faster than light).
Originally posted by leonidas
neither rage nor i questioned this. it's an impressive speed feat for glads, no doubt--personally i think it's his best one.the issue was with thor and the field. not sure how far it stretched. while he was battling thor, i always just thought he was within the field itself since no one seems to really have gear on to make THEM move at hyperspeed. glads also trailed the ship at various points and needed to keep up with it. at those times he was OUTSIDE the field.
i don't think it's a speed feat for thor, in all honesty. if we say that, don't we need to say EVERYONE--reed and ben, etc--were also moving unaided at those speeds? or did we see them all specifically wearing gear? can't recall and REALLY don't wanna go look. it just seems to me if we say EVERYONE was in the field range, it makes more sense to me, unless there is sure proof otherwise. which maybe there is. shrug
I almost forgot to post this.
This is the best speed feat for Glads and remember, he was doing this for hours.
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8585/hyperspeed35nr.jpg
Blitz flash for the win.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thankfully Thor's fast enough that Gladiator's speed won't counter his advantages.Not really. Thor would strike Gladiator with a few Celestial busting blow and the fight would end.
By the way, Gladiator busted the planet after like 3 hits.
Thor doesn't have that type of power without building up speed and slamming. In the fight he would be throwing more like jab strikes with the hammer (far less powerful). Plus I think it's more impressive for one to 3 shot a planet than to bust a celestial's armor.
Thor is not fast enough to counter Glad's top speed (especially under full confidence). Thor would have some serious issues countering spider-man, Gamora, Wolverine, etc.
Originally posted by h1a8Um, did you just say Thor would have problems countering Wolverin, Gamaor, and Spiderman? What in Hershey's name?
Thor doesn't have that type of power without building up speed and slamming. In the fight he would be throwing more like jab strikes with the hammer (far less powerful). Plus I think it's more impressive for one to 3 shot a planet than to bust a celestial's armor.Thor is not fast enough to counter Glad's top speed (especially under full confidence). Thor would have some serious issues countering spider-man, Gamora, Wolverine, etc.
Originally posted by NewYoker545Both are easily strong enough to hurt each other. But Thor is not splitting Glad's face open with a jab hammer strike. Glad's under full confidence would do far more damage than Thor would do, plus Glad's is faster.
Um, did you just say Thor would have problems countering Wolverin, Gamaor, and Spiderman? What in Hershey's name?
You are correct, throwing the hammer does take build up but, he doesn't need to throw it to bust Gladiator's chin open. Thor's strong enough, with the hammer's magical enchantments added, to just you know, split Glad's face open.
What's your position if Glad's takes the gem away?
Or Glad's knocks the hammer from Thor, or causes Thor to drop the hammer?
Speed blitz for the win.
I take a few days off and this nonsense is still going strong. Let's discuss some facts, though.
Fact #1: Gladiator is fully confident unless explicit shown or alluded to not being fully confident. Full confidence isn't some psychological amp; it's only when he doubts himself does his power wane. So adding "full confidence" to a thread with Glads doesn't mean anything special at all outside of the norm per forum rules: full capacity. Pretending it amps him or some other shit is ridiculous. Otherwise all the times Gladiator is NOT said to be at full confidence we're supposed to assume he's what? Only kinda confident? Absurd.
Fact #2: Thor beats Gladiator for the majority normally. Based on their encounters with one another and their own feats, Thor beats Glads for the majority without factoring in amps (in which Thor actually has a legit amp and Gladiator is just at full capacity). Trying to argue this is asinine as an out for blood, prepped Gladiator couldn't even manage to overcome Thor without exploiting the knowledge of his mortal alter ego and the 60 second Mjolnir enchantment - which is nullified for current Thor, anyway. Trying to twist that fight into something it was not - you know who you are - instead of accepting it as Thor obliterating Gladiator once he stopped holding back is just lol worthy.
Fact #3: Thor w/ Power Gem >>> Gladiator. I don't even...WTF. This is common sense. Gladiator would get demolished. End of discussion.
