Originally posted by Q99
Two, you can see the normal human flail several times in the time it takes for the bullet to move.
Wait a minute several flails? Where? Not what you said before. Are you arguing she did several fails before the bullet hit.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/Batgirl%20bullet%20dodging/SaintSaturn/Batgirl13pg03.jpg
Just because he didn't do that doesn't mean that the feat is superior there are other factors. When Spidey dodged the bullet was closer and he wasn't expecting it.
He has spider sense, not expecting it only matters if he ignores that. And in terms of speed shown, her dodging is obviously moving a whole lot faster. More space covered by a significant amount. Two direction changes. All four shots were fired at the same time.
There are other factors. They just aren't enough to make the feats close to even.
Originally posted by Deadline
Wait a minute several flails? Where? Not what you said before. Are you arguing she did several fails before the bullet hit.
In the Spider-man page.
The bullet's incoming, look at the right side of the panels. While the bullet is inching forward, some random punk apparently has time to grab at Spidey multiple times.
inimalist
/facepalmI give up on everything
If the argument is one pistol shot is supposed to stop her, I think that example might not be the best one to pick.
Originally posted by Q99
If the argument is one pistol shot is supposed to stop her, I think that example might not be the best one to pick.
fact: your quote was that she took AR rounds to both legs and the shoulder. If this is what people who read comics think makes for an interesting story, I give up. (notice, I actually didn't challenge the feat, just saying it is asinine)
fact: Punisher's standard equip isn't a single shot pistol.
Originally posted by inimalist
fact: your quote was that she took AR round[b]s to both legs and the shoulder. If this is what people who read comics think makes for an interesting story, I give up. (notice, I actually didn't challenge the feat, just saying it is asinine)[/b]
Ah, just saying how unrealistic it is, hard to argue there 🙂 (Protip: In real life, 'training' to resist bullet wounds by fighting with them gets you chronic injuries that'll permanently affect you, not make you better at fighting with bullets in you!)
Just so you know, she did collapse from bloodloss not long after and did require serious medical care. It wasn't "I took multiple rifle rounds, I'm fine!", it was "I took significant injuries, just didn't let them take me down for just long enough to get things done."
fact: Punisher's standard equip isn't a single shot pistol.
Yea, but I think I posted that in response to a comment about hitting her with a pistol.
My point was the way she's portrayed, one hit generally won't equal a win. And on the single shot thing, the idea would be that most shots against her are probably going to miss (I mean, while he gets some hits against agile types, they don't come easily).
Oooh yea, one more thing: Her cowl includes an armored skullcap and her batsuit should be standard whatever kevlar-like material Bruce makes 'em out of. As Punisher does use AP rounds, maybe not too useful, but there you go.
Originally posted by Q99
Ah, just saying how unrealistic it is, hard to argue there 🙂 (Protip: In real life, 'training' to resist bullet wounds by fighting with them gets you chronic injuries that'll permanently affect you, not make you better at fighting with bullets in you!)Just so you know, she did collapse from bloodloss not long after and did require serious medical care. It wasn't "I took multiple rifle rounds, I'm fine!", it was "I took significant injuries, just didn't let them take me down for just long enough to get things done."
fair enough, and obviously this isn't just comics, but all entertainment media, but that isn't close to realistic.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, but I think I posted that in response to a comment about hitting her with a pistol.My point was the way she's portrayed, one hit generally won't equal a win. And on the single shot thing, the idea would be that most shots against her are probably going to miss (I mean, while he gets some hits against agile types, they don't come easily).
punisher's standard gear is an AR, not a pistol. I used ballistic speeds from a pistol to give Cass the best chance at evasion.
bullets from an M16 travel at ~3x the speed of sound, and punisher has exceptional aim.
One bullet might not be a killshot, but the idea that she would only be shot once is a red herring.
Originally posted by Q99
Oooh yea, one more thing: Her cowl includes an armored skullcap and her batsuit should be standard whatever kevlar-like material Bruce makes 'em out of. As Punisher does use AP rounds, maybe not too useful, but there you go.
a typical AR will chew through kevlar like tissue paper. I don't think even the top ballistic armor in use today will stand up to rifles... though caliber is a big deal...
ah yes, and batman's armored cowl that can stop sniper fire...
Re: Bat Girl (cassie) vs Punisher
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganPunisher
If this has been done before please merge.Who wins between these two, both wielding standard equipment?
First scenario is New York city.
Second scenario is featureless environment
Much smarter and will not get into a H2H fight with Cassie.
He will probably snipe her from a distance or blow up the building she is in or poison her.
Originally posted by kmcisforvirgins\
the fact that this is even being debated says alot about kmc user base as a whole and how stupid the community here is.
the fact that people take the time out of their life to create an account and troll/sock says alot about "community" they come from.
Anyway back to the thread...
1. Frank if he gets lucky.
2. Cass anyone that can fight on even teams and take a beating from Lady shiva is gonna be able to take it to the punisher.
