Bat Girl (cassie) vs Punisher

Originally posted by Deadline
^ You don't read Punisher and don't know what you're talking about.

You don't know what I read.

And you don't read Batgirl, and don't know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by cdtm
You don't know what I read.

How about you explain why its a stomp then?

Originally posted by cdtm

And you don't read Batgirl, and don't know what you're talking about.

Whatever.

Originally posted by cdtm
And Castle hitting Spidey was pure PIS, period.

I don't care how good a shot Castle is, precog and super human speed > flawless aim and tracking, and Spidey's feats back this up.

Cassie beats his ass.

Cassandra takes a high majority in the city senarino and the majority in the featureless environment.

Her bullet dodging feats, plus her regular bat gadgets (smokescreen, explosive, batarangs) can help her distract Frank, until she comes in for the beat down. I'm positive she can even do it w/o them.

Cassie would stomp DD as well.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I agree.

Cassie beats his ass.

Originally posted by vansonbee
Cassandra takes a high majority in the city senarino and the majority in the featureless environment.

Her bullet dodging feats, plus her regular bat gadgets (smokescreen, explosive, batarangs) can help her distract Frank, until she comes in for the beat down. I'm positive she can even do it w/o them.

Cassie would stomp DD as well.

why was this thread even brought back up?? it should have stayed dead

Kung-fu this.

haw-som

Originally posted by namorsubby
I agree.

Cassie beats his ass.

Yea every example of Spiderman getting punched in the face is PIS.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea every example of Spiderman getting punched in the face is PIS.

Depends on the example.

But generally, if his spider sense isn't inhibited, he's fully alert, and he's getting hit by street levelers....

Originally posted by cdtm
Depends on the example.

No it doesn't. Spiderman has pre-cog and superhuman speed and hes getting hit by things which move much slower than bullets. Every example is PIS

Originally posted by cdtm

But generally, if his spider sense isn't inhibited, he's fully alert, and he's getting hit by street levelers....

Correct. Every example of him getting hit by street levelers and by bullets regardless of how good they are all examples of PIS.

Cassie.

Originally posted by Deadline
Correct. Every example of him getting hit by street levelers and by bullets regardless of how good they are all examples of PIS.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Cassie.

Originally posted by SamZED
No its not PIS. Ofcourse he can dodge lasers, lightnings, bullets after they're fired, super computers that track and anticipate his every move, homing bullets, machinegun fire from 2 hundred people shooting at him from every direction in a room all while having to carry a man on his shoulders, that doesnt mean he cant get shot by one guy with a pistol as long as he's an experienced marksman. Nothing wrong with that.

Ah but it is. For starters the Punisher is an ordinary guy. Also bare in mind that he shouldn't get punched in the face by some lone guy with a fist ie Captain America. Essentially Spiderman can dodge lasers with ease, so every example of him getting punched, grabbed or hit by something below the speed of light is PIS.

In fact if it's not going several times the speed of light Spiderman shouldn't get hit at all. In fact Spiderman comics are a load of crap are filled to the brim with PIS and he is beyond his rogues gallery. Spiderman should be fighting people like the Flash.

Originally posted by Deadline
Ah but it is. For starters the Punisher is an ordinary guy. Also bare in mind that he shouldn't get punched in the face by some lone guy with a fist ie Captain America. Essentially Spiderman can dodge lasers with ease, so every example of him getting punched, grabbed or hit by something below the speed of light is PIS.

In fact if it's not going several times the speed of light Spiderman shouldn't get hit at all. In fact Spiderman comics are a load of crap are filled to the brim with PIS and he is beyond his rogues gallery. Spiderman should be fighting people like the Flash.

And while we're at it Spider-man really should fight the likes of Flash. I mean if someone like Deathstroke can react to his light-speed movement then so should Spider-man. I mean Flash gets hit in comics all the time and as we all know such consistency is a definite proof that it cant possibly be PIS or CIS.

Originally posted by SamZED
Oh but Punisher is no ordinary guy,

Thought you said he was make your mind up.

Originally posted by SamZED
his marksman skills make him more effective then 2 hundred people shooting at the same time. And his popularity has nothing to do with it at all.

Punisher didn't even have his own comic series when he shoot Spiderman, so we can rule that out completely.

Originally posted by SamZED
Frank is just that skilled that the ability to dodge bullets after they're fired means jack, Frank's bullets are just special that way that they can change the trajectory in midair.

Hes been hit by punches that didn't change direction. You can't change the direction of a punch half way through.

Originally posted by SamZED

And even though Spider-man can react to say symbiote tendrils that move faster than bullets it only makes perfect sense that he gets punched in the face by Ox and street thugs. PIS/CIS has nothing to do with it.

Well getting shot isn't neccesarilly going to kill him either, why doesn't he allow himself to get hit by bullets? Its also PIS when he gets punched by people with superhuman speed as well eg Aloysha Kravinoff. So forget about street levelers any character with superhuman speed who can't move FTL who hits Spiderman is PIS.

Originally posted by SamZED

And while we're at it Spider-man really should fight the likes of Flash. I mean if someone like Deathstroke can react to his light-speed movement then so should Spider-man.

Deathstrokes has never reacted to Flash moving at lightspeed.

Originally posted by SamZED

I mean Flash gets hit in comics all the time and as we all know such consistency is a definite proof that it cant possibly be PIS or CIS.

Except we know for a fact that Flash can move many times faster than the speed of light. Spiderman can't even move faster than the speed of sound therefore it doesn't even make any sense that he can dodge something moving at the speed of light, even if he gets a warning he shouldn't be able to move fast enough.

You are also arguing that anybody who can dodge lasers with ease should'nt be hit by anything unless it's moving FTL. Therefore it doesn't just apply to Spiderman. It applies to Wolverine, Captain America, Iron Fist, Daredevil etc. Therefore it's actually PIS for Spiderman or Captain America to be able to hit Daredevil especially when you consider that Daredevil can actually bat a bullet afters it's been fired and redirect it.

Originally posted by Deadline

Deathstrokes has never reacted to Flash moving at lightspeed.

Cassandra Cain for a majority, even though Frank's damage soak and strength are going to net him some wins.

Originally posted by Deadline
Thought you said he was make your mind up.

Punisher didn't even have his own comic series when he shoot Spiderman, so we can rule that out completely.

Hes been hit by punches that didn't change direction. You can't change the direction of a punch half way through.

Well getting shot isn't neccesarilly going to kill him either, why doesn't he allow himself to get hit by bullets? Its also PIS when he gets punched by people with superhuman speed as well eg Aloysha Kravinoff. So forget about street levelers any character with superhuman speed who can't move FTL who hits Spiderman is PIS.

Deathstrokes has never reacted to Flash moving at lightspeed.

Except we know for a fact that Flash can move many times faster than the speed of light. Spiderman can't even move faster than the speed of sound therefore it doesn't even make any sense that he can dodge something moving at the speed of light, even if he gets a warning he shouldn't be able to move fast enough.

You are also arguing that anybody who can dodge lasers with ease should'nt be hit by anything unless it's moving FTL. Therefore it doesn't just apply to Spiderman. It applies to Wolverine, Captain America, Iron Fist, Daredevil etc. Therefore it's actually PIS for Spiderman or Captain America to be able to hit Daredevil especially when you consider that Daredevil can actually bat a bullet afters it's been fired and redirect it.

Originally posted by SamZED
Ok you convinced me. Punisher cant possibly shoot Spider-man, looking back at all Pete's dodging feats I must've been out of my mind to concider it even for a second. 💃

You're dodging the points? Hasn't Deapool got similar dodging feats to Spiderman? Why weren't you arguing its PIS for Punisher or Frankencastle to hit him. According to you whenever street levelers get into a fight they should never get hit, PIS applies to them as well.

Originally posted by Deadline
You're dodging the points? Hasn't Deapool got similar dodging feats to Spiderman? Why weren't you arguing its PIS for Punisher or Frankencastle to hit him. According to you whenever street levelers get into a fight they should never get hit, PIS applies to them as well.