Originally posted by Omega Vision
No you're right, it wasn't any kind of distinct power beyond that of his own immense will.He was falling so he grabbed the Multiverse by the balls and started to drag it down with him.
I agree with this.. I just want to make it clear... he didn't display any multiversal power to accomplish this. The perfect sequence of events had to take place, most of which, he didn't even want or plan on happening.
Originally posted by Allankles👆
I don't know what you're arguing against. I've repeated myself to Quan over and over, about the same thing. He was a God of Evil under Kirby as well. Apokoliptan gods were the gods of evil. I've read Kirby's thoughts and even seen an interview where he describes them as the gods of evil.When Kirby wrote about the character he said and I quote "All who worship death and holocaust, worship Darkseid". The whole idea about him being the god of evil was not some independent idea from Morrison. This doesn't mean he took over the Black Racer's role (as the grim reaper of that pantheon) it simply means that he is a god "of" death, not the god of death.
In many pantheons roles can overlap. Odin is a god of war, but so was Thor. Odin was the god of the gallows, in fact he was a god of death, but not the death god. Comprende?
We had a similar argument I recall about Morrison echoing or emulating Kirby with his work, and you disputed that, and you were wrong. Everything Morrison has done has been in reference to Kirby, he never lost site of Kirby's vision in his work. Interview after interview, he's said as much. That's why his New Gods translate so well.
Also just to repeat my damn point again for clarity, and not just argument for argument's sake - because nothing you've said is in contradiction with my view of DS - Darkseid is lawful evil in his alignment.
It means that he's (on the surface) after laudable ideals, he wants peace, order and some sought of progress for the universe, however he has a sociopathic detestation for any will in opposition to his vision (that is the source of his evil). Again read the FC annotations.
No one says he enjoys torture for torture sake, but let's not pretend that he wasn't a murderer under Kirby as well. Read Hunger dogs, read what he's done, deliberately, to his people. The man is evil, that doesn't mean he's not nuanced, it just means there things about him that are like a force of nature.
You're not saying anything, that I disagreed with. The idea that he's not nuanced with the label "god of evil" is something we'll have to disagree on. As you said, he's never tortured people in a barbaric way, but he will torture the mind and spirit. He's always been about breaking the spirit, he did to the Hunger Dogs under Kirby.
Originally posted by AllanklesHe isn't a god of death he uses death and fear to accomplish his means. You are the king of adjectives and every post you write when describing darkseid is just ripe with them. And you say my o.q. is limited. LOL.
Now this is what I dsilike about you Quan, being over patronizing. It's a mark of a limited IQ imo. Honestly, [b]the "god of death"? Just because I called him a "god of death" doesn't mean I gave him the Black Racer's role. You honestly think I'd forget something as obvious? How about giving people the benefit of the doubt, and ask them to calrify at least before jumping to conclusions?If you knew anything about mythology, you'd know that roles can intersect to a point. Black Racer is death, he epitomizes it, is a personification of it, but certain aspect of that concept can overlap with the aspects of another concept. This isn't anything radical with regards to gods, and Kirby wrote the quote in question.
You guys and just jumping into arguments, I know as much about the characters as anyone. If the character is cool, there's also some room for interpretation. [/B]
Which villain hasn't employed death or fear to achieve their means by your rational everyone who is a villain who also is a god who has killed may be referred to as a god of death. It's silly.
This next paragraph is a waste because what you really mean is he has used death to achieve his means so you really want to say he's a god of death. I guess Orion is as well.
I disagree you like to write about how much you know or claim to know but it's just a lot of fluff and adjectives that anyone could attach to someone with as many showings as a Darkseid character.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm thinking Thanos doesn't even need to try much to put him down. As stated... just because you have a really pissed off Lab.. doesn't mean he's going to kill a fighting Pitbull in a fight.
Is that you thinking or deluding yourself ?
Back to reality, supes is too fast
Originally posted by quanchi112
He isn't a god of death he uses death and fear to accomplish his means. You are the king of adjectives and every post you write when describing darkseid is just ripe with them. And you say my o.q. is limited. LOL.Which villain hasn't employed death or fear to achieve their means by your rational everyone who is a villain who also is a god who has killed may be referred to as a god of death. It's silly.
This next paragraph is a waste because what you really mean is he has used death to achieve his means so you really want to say he's a god of death. I guess Orion is as well.
I disagree you like to write about how much you know or claim to know but it's just a lot of fluff and adjectives that anyone could attach to someone with as many showings as a Darkseid character.
What? Adjectives? Last I checked that was part of grammar. I said DS was a god of death, in the context of what he represented to Kirby. I said, he embodies concepts that overlap those of death, nothing more need be said on that matter.
To say he is a "god of death" is not some sort of accolade that I'm heaping onto him, which is how you seem to be looking at this.
I said it before, this isn't anything radical. Mythology is full of gods that embody broad concepts that overlap onto the territories of other gods in the same pantheon. Eos and Appolo. Hel and Odin. Ra and Horus, and on and on.
No one is saying he's the embodiment of death, however, the concepts he embodies may well overlap with certain aspects of death, so that death worshipers are also honoring him in their prayers.
Originally posted by 753
lol he can and he has, but actually, it's not important, he's durable enough to withstand the blitz. and blasting the area is one fot he simplest forms of attack.
Thanos has never done anything with his shields up (maybe talk).
That is to say he even manages to get them up in the first place.