Originally posted by TheTyrant
Superman doesn't consistently blitz his opponents so why does Thanos have to consistently tag characters while they're moving fast?
Superman has dozens of combat speed feats of him reacting and blitzing people. That establishes that he's capable of doing it.
The full capacity rule means Superman blitzing is a valid tactic for him.
Thanos would need speed feats to prove that he can react that fast if people are going to make that argument.
So lets say if...
Thanos is standing there hands down... fallen one.. charges him..fyi.. Fallen One schtick.. is to go Translight and ram into stuff.. That is his move.. He destroyed a planet and destroyed Thanos ship doing that. He tries it on Thanos.. Thanos is able to raise his hand and TK stop him in his tracks before reaching him?
How about.. Thanos... again.. standing there hands by his side... Thor Throws his Hammer at Thanos.. We know Thor hammer can go FTL.. However, we don't know how fast it was.. but we can clear say it was pretty fast even if not FTL.. Thanos is able to raise his hand in time to TK stop it dead in its tracks..
How about Thanos.. at point blank range.. reacting to a blast from the maker and deflecting it away from him. Now we know what energy blasts properties consist of and why they can and should be FTL. However, lets for arguments say just say it was a really fast blast.. He was able to react to it and deflect it away from him
How about if Gayamede is a speed blitzer and that is her thing.. she was able to blitz surfer and appears to be doing a ftl blitz.. but again for arguments sake.. we'll just say it was really fast and got the better of surfer with it. In fact surfer was firing a blast at her.. she moved so quick as the blast was still shown she was behind him smacking him.. She tried so on Thanos.. She was dealt with easily..
How about Thanos.. reacting to surfer going way way way faster than the speed of light to take the IG off of Thanos... Thanos reacted to it and moved his hand before surfer could grab it. Mind you.. is back was turned and he was talking to CA. Now.. of course he had the iG.. but he also had turned off all sensory input to the IG so he wouldn't know what was going ot happen. He was never shown using the gems all at once.. and never have I seen on panel the IG amp your reflexes. This is highly contested.. but coupled with the rest.. Thanos clearly has good reactions.
Point is, Thanos has reacted to speed more times then he has failed to do so.
Your guy's turn.. Please point out the times Superman right from the get go has blitzed an opponent OF THANOS CALIBUR.. and they were unable to react in time before getting KO'd. I'm interested in hearing about all these times, because really, I don't know of any.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
To be fair, ppl use that kind of logic with Darksied all the time. :-/
Except Darkseid, unlike Thanos, has actual speed feats.
Carver: I respectfully disagree about Superman not having the tools. He's punched out bigger threats. And I've never seen Thanos brawl against someone with his level of speed or skill.
Thanos is more powerful and versatile -sans ring- than Clark. His also stronger. At least on average.
However, Superman's speed if he applies it differently than he does the majority of the time, would prove a large and serious problem for Thanos. That's the truth. Fortunately, Thanos has personal shields, and omni-directional capabilities. They won't stop or hold Superman long imo but are perhaps enough for Thanos to take the advantage.
Still, if the Green Lantern ring is taken at it's respected portrayals and Clark has sufficient training, I think he can take Thanos. The ring along with an all out blood lusted mindset is sufficient imo. Thanos is still more powerful but Superman at his A level does have the -combat- feats to warrant him winning which imo is the version the thread starter is using. Sure, Superman has more strength and power feats than Thanos, but that's the nature of comics.
Originally posted by -Pr-So are you saying we cant use any of Thanos speed reaction feats(Fallen one,Ganymede,Jack Of Hearts or him blocking energy/hammer throws) as proof that Thanos will or at some point react to block or counter Superman, taking into account his very high lvl of durabilty/damage keeping him well within the fight whilst he may be getting blitzed by Superman.
if people have consistently tagged people moving fast, then we assume they have fast reflexes. someone doesn't need to be able to zoom around the battlefield to have good reflexes.
So then, I ask again.. please point to me the times that Superman has blitzed an opponent from the start of the fight.. and KO'd him before he could react to Superman. Of course, I'm looking for people he's done this to that are comparable to Thanos.
Rage, I don't really disagree with some of what you're saying but don't agree with your conclusion that superman wins. I'm curious as I didn't re-read the opening thread.. Does Supes get training with the GL right.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So lets say if...Thanos is standing there hands down... fallen one.. charges him..fyi.. Fallen One schtick.. is to go Translight and ram into stuff.. That is his move.. He destroyed a planet and destroyed Thanos ship doing that. He tries it on Thanos.. Thanos is able to raise his hand and TK stop him in his tracks before reaching him?
How about.. Thanos... again.. standing there hands by his side... Thor Throws his Hammer at Thanos.. We know Thor hammer can go FTL.. However, we don't know how fast it was.. but we can clear say it was pretty fast even if not FTL.. Thanos is able to raise his hand in time to TK stop it dead in its tracks..
How about Thanos.. at point blank range.. reacting to a blast from the maker and deflecting it away from him. Now we know what energy blasts properties consist of and why they can and should be FTL. However, lets for arguments say just say it was a really fast blast.. He was able to react to it and deflect it away from him
How about if Gayamede is a speed blitzer and that is her thing.. she was able to blitz surfer and appears to be doing a ftl blitz.. but again for arguments sake.. we'll just say it was really fast and got the better of surfer with it. In fact surfer was firing a blast at her.. she moved so quick as the blast was still shown she was behind him smacking him.. She tried so on Thanos.. She was dealt with easily..
How about Thanos.. reacting to surfer going way way way faster than the speed of light to take the IG off of Thanos... Thanos reacted to it and moved his hand before surfer could grab it. Mind you.. is back was turned and he was talking to CA. Now.. of course he had the iG.. but he also had turned off all sensory input to the IG so he wouldn't know what was going ot happen. He was never shown using the gems all at once.. and never have I seen on panel the IG amp your reflexes. This is highly contested.. but coupled with the rest.. Thanos clearly has good reactions.
Point is, Thanos has reacted to speed more times then he has failed to do so.
Your guy's turn.. Please point out the times Superman right from the get go has blitzed an opponent OF THANOS CALIBUR.. and they were unable to react in time before getting KO'd. I'm interested in hearing about all these times, because really, I don't know of any.
Again, Fallen needs more room to accelerate to light speeds and beyond. Not even Surfer has proven to reach light speed within the first 3 meters of travel. You still using the faulty logic that since a character can travel at X speed then they can do it instantly without having to accelerate to that speed. That is nonsense and the contrary is often shown in comics (like with Surfer and Thor).
Thor is stated to only be able to throw the hammer at light speed. But this is after a massive whirling to accelerate it to that speed. It's safe to say that Thor normally throws the hammer far less than the speed of light. Probably as fast as a bullet as there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
All energy blasts don't travel light speed in comics. This is fact. Otherwise wolverine would be able to travel and move at FTL speeds.
Thanos with the IG can't be used for two reasons.
1. He was amped. He turned off future seeing and unphysical awareness (ability to sense by seeing and hearing was still on), he didn't turn off speed of his movement or speed in which the synapses send signals.
2. SS could have missed and Thanos not reacted at all.
Gayamede can not move faster than light nor appears to. To say that she did is pure lying. It was a low showing for Surfer, who has FTL speed reflexes. It's like saying that since Hulk tagged flash he can move at FTL speeds.
So Thanos still has 0 speed feats. Nill
And all you shown was reactions to linear movement. Superman will be all around Thanos. There is no evidence to support Thanos can even turn around or manuever with the speed necessary to stop a non linearly moving Superman.
A normal Superman may not blitz from the get go but he certainly will if he deems it is necessary. So if he feels Thanos is too powerful for him to handle without blitzing him then Superman would blitz. This is common sense.
But this Superman will blitz from the get go, as this is a bloodlusted Superman.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestIn no way is he making good arguments at all, he just discounts things he doesnt agree with and tries to use real world science and physics/logics to justify, when using that is pure fail in comic verse.
I think he's making good arguements. It's quite obvious Thanos has a speed problem.
So youre gonna now say any feat Thanos he has with speed reaction doesnt somehow now count if they ware going in a straight line or dont multi punch at great speeds 👇
i'll take thanos everytime.
it's odd. when i discuss thanos, it is--in general--less about 'feats' and more about 'the nature of the character'. sounds funky i know. whenever i think of thanos, i usually think of 2 depictions in particular--the odin battle, and the tyrant battle. at the start of the tyrant battle, tyrant sizes him up and acknowledges that thanos is 'more than the others'. i think that line--moreso than the battle that followed--really defined thanos for me and for marvel. tyrant easily beat down that group of high heralds--en masse--yet still realized thanos was more than they were. likewise, odin destroyed the group that attacked him, yet thanos?
i get kal's speed, and don't doubt that he COULD blitz for a time, but i think thanos WOULD take it then just beat supes down. thanos doesn't lose to heralders--even the highest ones. he has consistently been depicted as being above them. i really don't see this battle being any different. 😬
Originally posted by leonidas👆 Just look how he casually beat Surfer to death and how the weakest version of Thanos was able to take Thor down who had the Thing helping him.
i'll take thanos everytime.it's odd. when i discuss thanos, it is--in general--less about 'feats' and more about 'the nature of the character'. sounds funky i know. whenever i think of thanos, i usually think of 2 depictions in particular--the odin battle, and the tyrant battle. at the start of the tyrant battle, tyrant sizes him up and acknowledges that thanos is 'more than the others'. i think that line--moreso than the battle that followed--really defined thanos for me and for marvel. tyrant easily beat down that group of high heralds--en masse--yet still realized thanos was more than they were. likewise, odin destroyed the group that attacked him, yet thanos?
i get kal's speed, and don't doubt that he COULD blitz for a time, but i think thanos WOULD take it then just beat supes down. thanos doesn't lose to heralders--even the highest ones. he has consistently been depicted as being above them. i really don't see this battle being any different. 😬
He got rocked both times. And high heralds? Surfer was the only high herald I saw. They jobbed like crazy.
Odin? All he did was tank shit. And this Thanos wank is ridiculous. 👇
Superman hits harder than anyone Thanos has ever fought. He's punched out people who have durability equal to or greater than the titan.
And I have yet to see an answer as to what happens when someone who hits harder than Thanos blitzes him.
Thanos isn't the only one who's portrayed as above herald levelers.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestSo Thor isnt a high herlad then when Thanos faced him 😂, as for Surfer jobbing,poor excuse,, everytime they have met Thanos has always been shown to be superior.
[B]He got rocked both times. And high heralds? Surfer was the only high herald I saw. They jobbed like crazy.
Odin? All he did was tank shit. And this Thanos wank is ridiculous. 👇And your constant Superman/DC wank isnt 😂
Superman hits harder than anyone Thanos has ever fought. He's punched out people who have durability equal to or greater than the titan.Superman doesnt hit harder than Thor with the power gem or Magus with 5 infinty gems or even Tyrant.
And I have yet to see an answer as to what happens when someone who hits harder than Thanos blitzes him.Its very doubtfull Clark hits harder than Thanos, could Superman casually KILL Surfer in 6 punches, hell he couldnt do it against Wonder Woman when bloodlusted, and for the record Thanos took over 10 punches for a more powerful dodpleganger of himself and was fine.
Thanos isn't the only one who's portrayed as above herald levelers.More regular/on average than Superman he is.
bill and glads are both high heralds. throw in terrax. crying PIS or 'jobbing'=failure to rebut. in any event, they got almost immediately destroyed. thanos? not so much. the odin battle is in the same vein. i refuse to get into either of those battles beyond this, however. they've been deabted ad nauseum and can be debated in another thread.
superman hits harder than anyone? EASILY debateable. he did fight champ with the gem, and effortlessly stop thor's hammer.
blitz could work for a time, doubt it would do much.
anyway, just read the stips for the fight. given that his willpower is "INFINITE", this is a non-fight. given a ring and INFINITE will, i could beat thanos. removing the 'infinite' tag, thanos wins.
frankly, giving superman a ring just makes him superman with uber energy powers and control. IE--it makes him surfer--with combat speed feats.