Originally posted by leonidas
clark blitzes, lands some blows, gets hit with an omniblast and staggered, another blast stuns him more then thanos finishes him off with blasts or punches.or supes blitzes, thanos teleports, clark stops to figure it out and gets blasted and stunned. see above.
or clark comes in and gets halted with tk as he stopped mjollnir. blast. see above.
or he comes in and gets f'd momentarily by tp. then blasted. see above.
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he's portaryed at a higher level=he is more powerful, can tank hits then polish him off.
not silly at all, really.
In what fantasy land does Thanos just smile away planet busting punches at speeds he wont even be able to percieve.
Or how about the idea that a omni blast (which to my knowledge has no impressive feats) is somehow going to do anything more than iritate supes.
And how is Thanos teleporting going to make it possible to catch by suprise a guy who basically duplicates a timestop on speed alone.
Seems to me that a lot of people just cant grasp the advantage, that such a speed disparity gives one
Originally posted by leonidas
clark blitzes, lands some blows, gets hit with an omniblast and staggered, another blast stuns him more then thanos finishes him off with blasts or punches.or supes blitzes, thanos teleports, clark stops to figure it out and gets blasted and stunned. see above.
or clark comes in and gets halted with tk as he stopped mjollnir. blast. see above.
or he comes in and gets f'd momentarily by tp. then blasted. see above.
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he's portaryed at a higher level=he is more powerful, can tank hits then polish him off.
not silly at all, really.
Thanos has not shown the level of firepower needed to one shot Superman. And I doubt his omni-blast will let him shoot enough firepower to hurt Superman, if he can hit him in the first place.
Nor has Thanos shown the reflex speed to teleport fast enough to dodge Superman.
Proof that Thanos has TK powerful enough to stop Superman? It's not that easy.
And TP? He's beaten off stronger telepaths.
Higher level? Really? I seem to recall Superman singing Darkseid out of existence at the end of FC, or any of the other insane feats he has. If anything, Superman is the one portrayed at the higher level. Suck on that, Leo. 😛
Superman is more famous for tanking hits and then punching people into the ground. And he's better at it too.
Originally posted by leonidas
good gawd. how about this--show me the fantasy land where a herald--any herald, or GROUP of heralds--beat thanos. that'd be kinda novel. show me anywhere that indicates a herald could beat him. please.
But according to them Superman is elder god level maybe even abstract.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestHe 2 shotted Thor, and that was the weakest version of Thanos.
[B]Thanos has not shown the level of firepower needed to one shot Superman. And I doubt his omni-blast will let him shoot enough firepower to hurt Superman, if he can hit him in the first place.
Nor has Thanos shown the reflex speed to teleport fast enough to dodge Superman.He has in Avengers 2 in 1 #2
Proof that Thanos has TK powerful enough to stop Superman? It's not that easy.He easily stopped Thors hammer and moved a bunch of asteroids to throw at Fallen one.
And TP? He's beaten off stronger telepaths.He beat Moondragon(who at that era enslaved a whole planet] and it took 3 telepaths to only just subdue him whilst weak(which he later overpowered.
Higher level? Really? I seem to recall Superman singing Darkseid out of existence at the end of FC, or any of the other insane feats he has. If anything, Superman is the one portrayed at the higher level. Suck on that, Leo. 😛Darkseid was dying at the time 😂 nice try son.
Superman is more famous for tanking hits and then punching people into the ground. And he's better at it too.Thanos smiled at power gem Thor best hits, was unharmed by Magus using 5 infinity gems punching him, Thor and Thing together couldnt hurt him and again Magus with soul gem amped by the power 25,000 black knights still couldnt ko a pre rez Thanos.
Originally posted by leonidas
good gawd. how about this--show me the fantasy land where a herald--any herald, or GROUP of heralds--beat thanos. that'd be kinda novel. show me anywhere that indicates a herald could beat him. please.
Show me Thanos when Starlin isn't writing him or when his jobber aura is off. 😉 Starlin's a hack writer who will never let his creation lose. And on KMC, the full capacity rule is in effect. That goes both ways.
Originally posted by vince_slice
But according to them Superman is elder god level maybe even abstract.
it does seem that way at times, doesn't it? that's why i didn't want to debate the thread. minds are made up. problem is, some of the people in the thread actually make me DISLIKE superman. superman is AWESOME. i had a superman encyclopedia in KINDERGARTEN! he does not NEED wanking. that's the irony. the supposed superman 'fans' are actually having the opposite effect on their guy.
a blitzing, PO'D ss was ko'd in 3 punches. a PG thor who one-shotted a group of uber heroes couldn't do more than stalemate thanos. in another arc thor had to call on asgard for an uber amp to battle and defeat a thanos CLONE. tyrant and odin crush groups of heralds yet thanos stays and battles in prolonged contests with each. thanos has NEVER, EVER, been defeated by a herald leveller--not once, not even by thor or ss. at his inception he was withstanding planetary destruction.
i hear a lot of--superman has taken greater. superman hits harder. superman has seen better tp. yadda-yadda. yeah? here's something revelatory--so has THOR. so has SS. and yet? it is NOT jobbing--such a stupid term--it is marvel constantly and CONSISTENTLY depicting thanos as being well above such heroes. it really isn't that hard. so supes has taken greater? great. should i show some of the times he has been unable to take LESS?? course not--those would all be PIS, or 'superman holding back'. ridiculous. thanos HAS no such moment. herald levellers don't beat him. that's it. if someone wants to argue clark to trans, be my guest--several in this thread are doing just that anyway.
the whole argument for clark here is--he's different. thor can't beat thanos. ss can't beat thanos. no single hero in marvel can beat him yet...... superman can. because he has feats to show it!!!1@1 (like thor and ss) and because he's somehow different. i agree--he IS different. but i still can't give him the win over someone who is CONSISTENTLY--not just 'at times'--is depicted as being WELL above even the highest herald
this thread is pointless and i happily leave it to others to 'debate'.
Originally posted by leonidasThor never one-shotted anyone in that arc with using his strength. Everything Thor did, besides backlash the beam back, a non holding back bloodlusted Thor could have done. Thor showed no improvements in strength from a bloodlusted non holding back Thor.
it does seem that way at times, doesn't it? that's why i didn't want to debate the thread. minds are made up. problem is, some of the people in the thread actually make me DISLIKE superman. superman is AWESOME. i had a superman encyclopedia in KINDERGARTEN! he does not NEED wanking. that's the irony. the supposed superman 'fans' are actually having the opposite effect on their guy.a blitzing, PO'D ss was ko'd in 3 punches. a PG thor who one-shotted a group of uber heroes couldn't do more than stalemate thanos. in another arc thor had to call on asgard for an uber amp to battle and defeat a thanos CLONE. tyrant and odin crush groups of heralds yet thanos stays and battles in prolonged contests with each. thanos has NEVER, EVER, been defeated by a herald leveller--not once, not even by thor or ss. at his inception he was withstanding planetary destruction.
i hear a lot of--superman has taken greater. superman hits harder. superman has seen better tp. yadda-yadda. yeah? here's something revelatory--so has THOR. so has SS. and yet? it is NOT jobbing--such a stupid term--it is marvel constantly and CONSISTENTLY depicting thanos as being well above such heroes. it really isn't that hard. so supes has taken greater? great. should i show some of the times he has been unable to take LESS?? course not--those would all be PIS, or 'superman holding back'. ridiculous. thanos HAS no such moment. herald levellers don't beat him. that's it. if someone wants to argue clark to trans, be my guest--several in this thread are doing just that anyway.
the whole argument for clark here is--he's different. thor can't beat thanos. ss can't beat thanos. no single hero in marvel can beat him yet...... superman can. because he has feats to show it!!!1@1 (like thor and ss) and because he's somehow different. i agree--he IS different. but i still can't give him the win over someone who is CONSISTENTLY--not just 'at times'--is depicted as being WELL above even the highest herald
this thread is pointless and i happily leave it to others to 'debate'.
The Thanos clone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanos
A planet destruction is nothing for heralds. They can survive in black holes, inside cores of stars, etc. That's astronomically greater than a planet explosion that is not entirely concentrated on the individual but rather spread out.
Why are people using energy durability feats to equal blunt force durability feats? A fire resistant jacket is not necessarily bullet proof.
Thor surviving the Destroyer's DB doesn't mean he will not get uked up when he's punched by a herald level being.
Who is above who doesn't determine who wins. It's all about what tools are involved in the fight at hand and how the characters will use them. This is common sense. It makes sense for Thor to have a problem with Thanos because of lack of speed and throwing his hammer causes him to be a sitting duck. But SS is not suppose to lose nor get hit by Thanos. He has proven to have great speed and FTL reflexes time and time again. Thanos should appear to be a statue to both Superman and SS. You guys are not using logic when debating and choosing to imagine how it would go in an actual COMIC.
What made Superman so awesome is the fact that he can fly and beat just about anyone he faced (in comics). This is what made Bruce Lee, Clint Eastwood (from old westerns), etc. so great.
If Thanos doesn't appear to be a statue to Superman (fighting at full capacity) then that means Thanos has super speed near the level of Superman himself. But we all know that isn't true. So in theory (a forum fight) Superman should massacre Thanos everytime. Speed is the ultimate attribute of ALL.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
His right. The clone was significantly amped.
Originally posted by leonidas
it does seem that way at times, doesn't it? that's why i didn't want to debate the thread. minds are made up. problem is, some of the people in the thread actually make me DISLIKE superman. superman is AWESOME. i had a superman encyclopedia in KINDERGARTEN! he does not NEED wanking. that's the irony. the supposed superman 'fans' are actually having the opposite effect on their guy.a blitzing, PO'D ss was ko'd in 3 punches. a PG thor who one-shotted a group of uber heroes couldn't do more than stalemate thanos. in another arc thor had to call on asgard for an uber amp to battle and defeat a thanos CLONE. tyrant and odin crush groups of heralds yet thanos stays and battles in prolonged contests with each. thanos has NEVER, EVER, been defeated by a herald leveller--not once, not even by thor or ss. at his inception he was withstanding planetary destruction.
i hear a lot of--superman has taken greater. superman hits harder. superman has seen better tp. yadda-yadda. yeah? here's something revelatory--so has THOR. so has SS. and yet? it is NOT jobbing--such a stupid term--it is marvel constantly and CONSISTENTLY depicting thanos as being well above such heroes. it really isn't that hard. so supes has taken greater? great. should i show some of the times he has been unable to take LESS?? course not--those would all be PIS, or 'superman holding back'. ridiculous. thanos HAS no such moment. herald levellers don't beat him. that's it. if someone wants to argue clark to trans, be my guest--several in this thread are doing just that anyway.
the whole argument for clark here is--he's different. thor can't beat thanos. ss can't beat thanos. no single hero in marvel can beat him yet...... superman can. because he has feats to show it!!!1@1 (like thor and ss) and because he's somehow different. i agree--he IS different. but i still can't give him the win over someone who is CONSISTENTLY--not just 'at times'--is depicted as being WELL above even the highest herald
this thread is pointless and i happily leave it to others to 'debate'.
pitt_victory Well written and well put!!!!!
Originally posted by vince_slice
Only at the very end when the Thanosi actually started using the artifacts. Before that neither Thor or Firelord (two heralds) could even phase the Thanosi with their attacks. The closest thing was when Thor absorbed the Thanosi's eyebeams and returned it 100 fold (said to have enough power to destroy a planet). Even then the Thanosi casually teleports back without a single scratch, completely unharmed and stops Mangog from killing Thor (yet again).
that's kinda how i remembered the whole thing as well, but i could be missing parts. f'n memory......
i also wonder just how much 'amp' he was given at the end.
Originally posted by vince_slice
Only at the very end when the Thanosi actually started using the artifacts. Before that neither Thor or Firelord (two heralds) could even phase the Thanosi with their attacks. The closest thing was when Thor absorbed the Thanosi's eyebeams and returned it 100 fold (said to have enough power to destroy a planet). Even then the Thanosi casually teleports back without a single scratch, completely unharmed and stops Mangog from killing Thor (yet again).
Okay, and? How does that have any relevancy to my point? He mentioned Thor receiving an amp to combat the clone and seemed to have forgotten that the clone was powered up as well.
IIRC, he was unharmed by an energy blast from Thor or something. Impressive I guess.
After that blast, the clone was definitely stunned.
I'm seriously starting to dislike this line of thinking. Just because a character isn't bleeding profoundly or something, people seem to think they were completely unharmed.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay, and? How does that have any relevancy to my point? He mentioned Thor receiving an amp to combat the clone and seemed to have forgotten that the clone was powered up as well.IIRC, he was unharmed by an energy blast from Thor or something. Impressive I guess.
After that blast, the clone was either severely stunned or knocked out temporarily.
I'm seriously starting to dislike this line of thinking. Just because a character isn't bleeding profoundly or something, people seem to think they were unharmed.
Knocked out? 😂
Based on what exactly? The Thanosi teleported mere moments after he was shot without any sign of harm. Are you basing if off the very short period he was off-panel? Please direct me to any evidence, I have all the scans.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestThanos had better feats under Marz and Giffen than he did under Starlin, so that excuse doesnt work.
Show me Thanos when Starlin isn't writing him or when his jobber aura is off. 😉 Starlin's a hack writer who will never let his creation lose. And on KMC, the full capacity rule is in effect. That goes both ways.