Originally posted by leonidas
it does seem that way at times, doesn't it? that's why i didn't want to debate the thread. minds are made up. problem is, some of the people in the thread actually make me DISLIKE superman. superman is AWESOME. i had a superman encyclopedia in KINDERGARTEN! he does not NEED wanking. that's the irony. the supposed superman 'fans' are actually having the opposite effect on their guy.a blitzing, PO'D ss was ko'd in 3 punches. a PG thor who one-shotted a group of uber heroes couldn't do more than stalemate thanos. in another arc thor had to call on asgard for an uber amp to battle and defeat a thanos CLONE. tyrant and odin crush groups of heralds yet thanos stays and battles in prolonged contests with each. thanos has NEVER, EVER, been defeated by a herald leveller--not once, not even by thor or ss. at his inception he was withstanding planetary destruction.
i hear a lot of--superman has taken greater. superman hits harder. superman has seen better tp. yadda-yadda. yeah? here's something revelatory--so has THOR. so has SS. and yet? it is NOT jobbing--such a stupid term--it is marvel constantly and CONSISTENTLY depicting thanos as being well above such heroes. it really isn't that hard. so supes has taken greater? great. should i show some of the times he has been unable to take LESS?? course not--those would all be PIS, or 'superman holding back'. ridiculous. thanos HAS no such moment. herald levellers don't beat him. that's it. if someone wants to argue clark to trans, be my guest--several in this thread are doing just that anyway.
the whole argument for clark here is--he's different. thor can't beat thanos. ss can't beat thanos. no single hero in marvel can beat him yet...... superman can. because he has feats to show it!!!1@1 (like thor and ss) and because he's somehow different. i agree--he IS different. but i still can't give him the win over someone who is CONSISTENTLY--not just 'at times'--is depicted as being WELL above even the highest herald
this thread is pointless and i happily leave it to others to 'debate'.
except that the way it is on the this forum, it's harder for Superman to get the benefit of the doubt on this forum than it is for Thor or Surfer. His feats get more scrutiny, the character is more hated, and he has less people defending him in most cases too. In cross company matches, he's worse off than almost any top tier.
I don't know if Superman can beat Thanos; I honestly don't read enough of Thanos to be able to judge. But the way the people go on in this thread is the exact same way the haters go on about Superman in other threads. A reaction was always going to happen.
You can complain about how people talk about Superman being able to beat Thanos, but we've both been here long enough to know that it used to be a lot better than this; the haters have just brought it on themselves with their incessant lowballing just because they can't get over the fact that Superman in most cases beats the living shit out of their favourite character.
And no, I don't mean Thanos.
f*ck, the only reason i tend to debate for superman is because i don't need to defend people like hulk and surfer; they already have an army of overhyping fanboys backing them. sure, both characters (and a few others) have decent, reasonable fans, but there's always more idiots.